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礁。","部長，近年來外交部有沒有持續製作英文以及其他外語版的太平島法律論述？第二個部分是，有沒有向國際法學界、外國國會、智庫、媒體以及相關的國家提出正式的說帖？第三，有沒有統計針對這件事情的投書、研討會、國際學者的訪島、外國官員交流以及國際媒體報導的具體成果？有沒有總統、院長及部長登島的規劃？其次，本席要請部長提出反制的策略，美國、日本、菲律賓這些國家都有各自的南海利益，我國可以跟理念相近的國家合作，支持航行自由等等，但也不代表我們要成為應聲蟲。外交部的官方資料目前還沒有明確表示，南海諸島屬於中華民國的領土，政府不會放棄主權以及合法海域的權利。","所以本席要求外交部建立一套完整的國際宣傳與法律反制的方案，至少要包括持續重申仲裁對我國不具約束力、明確捍衛太平島島嶼的地位、抗議任何矮化中華民國的稱謂，並透過國際法研究、海洋科學研究、人道救援，以及實質治理，累積我國在南海的法律事證與國際能見度。","在第1個會期，我們馬召委也帶了許多委員登上太平島，那就已經宣示本黨在太平島的一個很重要概念。本席在這邊最後要問您，您是不是可以在委員會公開重申，南海仲裁對中華民國不具法律拘束力、太平島是島不是岩礁，以及任何貶抑中華民國主權地位的稱謂，我國都不接受？"],["林部長佳龍：我完全同意委員所講的立場，當時是10年前，這個所謂的南海仲裁是在於菲中之間，我們當然也是利害關係人，所以我們就有表達那四點原則，依然有效，在我們的官網上，中英文都有。現在是10年……"],["林委員倩綺：那是10年前，對不對？"],["林部長佳龍：我們也預期到各界會關切這個問題。剛剛委員講的，我們不是參與仲裁的一方，我們也不接受對我們不利的仲裁結果；再來，太平島是島，這是事實，中華民國在這個地方有主權，也有宣示……"],["林委員倩綺：對，這是事實，對我們來講是事實，可是在我們對國際的宣傳上、在國際的地位上，是不是應該更強化？"],["林部長佳龍：對，這個是一方面，另外一方面，我們也有一些主張，希望和平解決爭議，能夠擱置這些爭議……"],["林委員倩綺：這個本席認同。"],["林部長佳龍：來共同開發，我們也從我們自己臺灣做起，剛剛您講到的，不管是對於海洋的科學調研，或者是人道援助，或者是環境、氣候，還有相關的，我們怎麼樣能夠以正面的方式來表達臺灣的立場，跟人家一起來推動，這不只是消極被動，可以更積極主動來……"],["林委員倩綺：對，共同開發、共同往前走，本席是完全同意，但是重點是我們如何透過本席剛才所講的方式再次強化，在南海仲裁10年，對我們很不公平的情況下，我們是不是應該在這一次再更強化宣示我國的主權地位，還有國際宣傳、還有國際的法律地位？我們可能要透過實質行動，將我們的主權，還有我們的經濟權益，還有各類我們一直在國際間推動的事實，讓國際社會知道。您剛才也已經同意本席所講的，方式上你也認同，是不是外交部應該趕快來做？我相信這幾年外交部在國際地位上、對於中華民國主權這個部分有很長足的投入，是不是在這個跟我們利害關係非常直接的事件上，我們應該更強力對國際社會論述，不管在專業上還有一般的宣傳上，好不好？"],["林部長佳龍：是，我們會來努力，更積極來推動，委員剛剛講的都很具體，也都是我們國家的政策。"],["林委員倩綺：對。"],["林部長佳龍：有時候在不同時機講的重點不太一樣，但是我們基本上立場都沒有改變，只是怎麼樣能夠更主動積極來推動，包括我們與菲律賓，我們雖然不是東協成員或所謂南海行為準則的參與者，但是我們也是利害關係人。"],["林委員倩綺：既然過去我們在這中間有被不平等對待，如果我們的立場從過去到現在是一致的話，我相信我們應該再重申我們的立場裡面很具體的事項，好不好？外交部，請加油，好嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：是，我剛才也藉由委員的質詢把它講得更清楚，後續委員指示的要再推動，我們也會全力來推動。"],["林委員倩綺：好，謝謝部長。"],["主席：謝謝林委員。","接下來請蘇清泉委員，蘇清泉、蘇清泉委員不在。","請楊瓊瓔委員上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":202,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-35-28","speakers":["馬文君","陳俊宇","羅美玲","陳永康","王義川","林楚茵","黃建賓","王安祥","徐巧芯","牛煦庭","賴士葆","鍾佳濱","許忠信","鄭正鈐","林倩綺","楊瓊瓔","陳冠廷","黃仁","沈伯洋"],"page_start":151,"meetingDate":["2026-07-22"],"gazette_id":"1156601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1156601_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第28次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告「我國近年針對南海主權與法律地位之國際宣傳實績成效暨如何應對\n周邊國家擴大主權國際宣傳之具體反制策略」，併請海洋委員會、大陸委員會列席，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1156601_00015"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}