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啊"},{"start":608.88,"end":610.88,"text":"你們不是一樣在爭取嗎"},{"start":610.88,"end":612.88,"text":"金門縣的轉型爭議在這裡啊"},{"start":612.88,"end":614.88,"text":"委員"},{"start":614.88,"end":616.88,"text":"裁劃法是通過的是行政院的"},{"start":616.88,"end":618.88,"text":"不是是國民黨的版本"},{"start":618.88,"end":620.88,"text":"在國民黨的版本裡面"},{"start":620.88,"end":622.88,"text":"所以我這是在補題這一條可以支持的哦"},{"start":622.88,"end":624.88,"text":"這裁劃法修正是"},{"start":624.88,"end":626.88,"text":"依照國民黨版本通過的"},{"start":626.88,"end":628.88,"text":"謝謝哦"},{"start":628.88,"end":630.88,"text":"這部分請財政部用書面答覆了"},{"start":630.88,"end":632.88,"text":"好不好謝謝"},{"start":633.56,"end":635.56,"text":"下一位"},{"start":635.56,"end":637.56,"text":"謝謝陳其中委員的質詢"},{"start":637.56,"end":639.56,"text":"下一位請葉源之委員質詢"},{"start":639.56,"end":641.56,"text":"葉源之委員質詢"},{"start":641.56,"end":643.56,"text":"謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}