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源打開。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:58:38.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:58:55.630000+08:00","text":"當然，我想委員是為金門地區的民眾著想，但因為他是有跨區，還跨到本島來，那跟本島稅收就會有關係，所以這個部分應該要平衡地考量。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T11:58:55.630000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T11:58:56.630000+08:00","text":"所以在離島建設條例內修法，你們應該不反對嘛？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:58:56.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:58:56.687500+08:00","text":"要平衡地考量。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T11:58:57.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:58:58.586667+08:00","text":"所以呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T11:58:59.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:59:00.979130+08:00","text":"那你怎麼解決這個議題？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T11:59:01.412174+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:59:04.437143+08:00","text":"的確很多人有這個問題，你要怎麼來解決？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T11:59:04.588571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:59:08.325714+08:00","text":"這個我問過很多次了，我們先從金門地區開始解決起嘛！","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T11:59:11.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:59:14.784000+08:00","text":"如果其他縣市的人沒有這個問題的話，那當然是另外的事情。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:59:14.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:59:17.729231+08:00","text":"當然，其他各縣市也會有這樣的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T11:59:17.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:59:19.371765+08:00","text":"那他們的立法委員也會想辦法幫自己的……","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:59:21.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:59:24.418462+08:00","text":"這個又涉及到地方政府，我想地方政府也可以表達意見、也可以爭取他們的意見……","quality":0.697},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T11:59:24.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:59:43.256000+08:00","text":"是，針對金門地區，就是離島地區，我們提出這樣的訴求，我們就講離島地區就好了，至於其他地方政府要不要做，他們自己去考慮，但是你在法源上要打開，所以我先打開法源，然後各地方政府可以自己決定願不願意配合切結，去做這樣的查核功夫啊！","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T11:59:43.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:59:46.253333+08:00","text":"離島是做得到的，好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T11:59:46.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:59:47.986667+08:00","text":"這個法源應該沒什麼問題吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:59:48.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:59:49.986667+08:00","text":"這可能要徵詢各地方政府的意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T11:59:50.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:59:51.920000+08:00","text":"可以，您可以徵詢其他地方政府的意見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:59:52.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:59:53.658462+08:00","text":"可以，我們可以來徵詢。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T11:59:54.691429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T11:59:58.767059+08:00","text":"這個問題我已經問過很多次了，請你特別重視一下，因為反映的人滿多的！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T11:59:59.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:00:01.196923+08:00","text":"就是要福利，也要自用住宅租稅優惠……","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:00:02.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:00:06.786667+08:00","text":"不是福利，有的東西不是福利，我跟你報告一下，有的東西不是福利，比如坐飛機……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T12:00:06.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:00:07.986667+08:00","text":"就是因為它有涉及到福利的問題。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:00:08.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:00:51.280000+08:00","text":"有時候不是福利，是基本權益，比如坐飛機到臺灣來，交通是一個「行」的基本權利，設籍在那裡有一些基本的權利，不一定等於是福利，你不能強迫他做選擇，只為了行政機關查核上的方便，行政機關就是要便民，這個法律的真正目的是要禁止人家炒房，避免囤房、炒高房價，但如果他是單身又只有1戶，是不是就可以很明顯地知道他沒有炒房的意圖，這個也是有全國總歸戶的，這個地方也應該要考慮老百姓的實際需求。","quality":0.858},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:00:53.924444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:00:57.257778+08:00","text":"我講過很多次了，我這次已經提出修法，希望……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T12:00:57.257778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T12:00:58.257778+08:00","text":"我知道委員非常關切。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:00:57.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:00:58.765714+08:00","text":"是，我也希望部長可以支持這個部分。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:00:59.765714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:01:13.910000+08:00","text":"另外一個是有關金門縣財政的部分，金酒公司當然是我們金門地方的金雞母，也是中央的納稅大戶，我想國庫署也知道。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:01:14.775385+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:01:21.893333+08:00","text":"以前菸酒專賣的時候，我們的財政都自給自足，後來課徵菸酒稅以後，我們每一年繳很多稅給中央政府，對吧？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:01:22.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:01:23.826667+08:00","text":"這個您知道吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:01:24.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:01:25.660000+08:00","text":"沒問題吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:01:26.660000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:01:29.826667+08:00","text":"不是賦稅署，國庫署才知道。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T12:01:29.826667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T12:01:30.826667+08:00","text":"瞭解，委員也提過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:01:30.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:01:42.617778+08:00","text":"我們每一年繳很多稅，財劃法第三十八條之一有一個法定補償義務，規定如果修法導致地方收入減少者，中央要籌措替代財源。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:01:43.506667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:02:09.075556+08:00","text":"有菸酒稅以後，原本金門縣政府不用繳的稅，這個菸酒稅變成我們多繳的，金門縣一年多繳了幾十億給臺北的中央政府，所以之前財劃法都有說要把金馬地區的菸酒稅百分之八十分配給各該縣，行政院的財劃法版本也有，行政院、不分黨派執政的時候，國庫署知道，都有嘛！","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:02:10.091429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:02:18.920000+08:00","text":"在財劃法還沒有修以前，這個部分怎麼樣給我們實質正義？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:02:19.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:02:21.353333+08:00","text":"國庫署署長有沒有什麼想法？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:02:21.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:02:25.297778+08:00","text":"實質正義，你知道我在說什麼吧？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:02:25.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:02:27.395000+08:00","text":"金門縣政府一年繳很多稅啊！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳署長柏誠","start":"2026-07-22T12:02:27.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:02:35.234286+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為依照菸酒稅法的規定就是要繳菸酒稅。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:02:35.234286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T12:02:36.600000+08:00","text":"沒錯啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:02:36.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:02:38.200000+08:00","text":"以前不用繳是專賣時期那時候。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"陳署長柏誠","start":"2026-07-22T12:02:38.200000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T12:02:39.200000+08:00","text":"對，那是專賣時期。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:02:38.485714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:02:47.950000+08:00","text":"後來修法以後，讓金門縣政府減少收入、增加支出，按照財劃法第三十八條之一，你要想辦法回歸我們的正義啊！","quality":0.711},{"speaker":"陳署長柏誠","start":"2026-07-22T12:02:48.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:03:06.213333+08:00","text":"我要跟委員報告的是，財劃法這一次114年年底修正，其實是在做財源的分配，跟您剛剛提的菸酒稅有沒有受到影響其實是兩回事，專賣已經是很久以前的事了。","quality":0.766},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:03:07.061818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:03:10.680000+08:00","text":"對啊，20年前，轉型正義也是好久以前，你們不是一樣在爭取嗎？","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:03:10.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:03:12.713333+08:00","text":"金門人的轉型正義在這裡啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T12:03:12.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:03:18.657778+08:00","text":"委員，財劃法通過的是國民黨的版本。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:03:18.657778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T12:03:19.657778+08:00","text":"我知道、我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T12:03:18.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:03:20.657778+08:00","text":"在國民黨的版本裡面沒有去做這個修正。","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:03:20.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:03:22.527059+08:00","text":"所以我這次再補提這一條，可以支持啦？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-22T12:03:23.451429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:03:26.680000+08:00","text":"財劃法修正是依照國民黨版本通過的。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-07-22T12:03:26.680000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T12:03:27.680000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T12:03:26.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:03:31.680000+08:00","text":"謝謝，這部分請財政部用書面答復，好不好？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T12:03:32.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:03:37.360000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳玉珍委員的質詢。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T12:03:37.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-22T12:03:39.378182+08:00","text":"下一位請葉元之委員質詢。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T12:03:39.878182+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T12:03:43.306753+08:00","text":"葉元之委員、葉元之委員不在。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T12:03:43.606753+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T12:03:52.463896+08:00","text":"今日發言登記委員均已詢答完畢，本日會議作如下決議：一、說明及詢答完畢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T12:03:52.763896+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T12:04:05.049610+08:00","text":"二、委員質詢未及答復或請補充資料者，請相關部會於一週內以書面答復；委員另要求其期限者，從其所定。","quality":0.093},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-22T12:04:05.349610+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-22T12:04:17.063896+08:00","text":"有關遺產及贈與稅法修正草案12案、土地稅法修正草案9案、房屋稅條例修正草案9案，均另擇期繼續審查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擬具「遺產及贈與稅法第十五條條文修正草案」等2案、(四)本院委員張智倫等17人擬具\n「遺產及贈與稅法第十五條及第十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(五)本院委員李彥秀等16人擬具\n「遺產及贈與稅法第十五條、第十七條之一及第二十九條條文修正草案」案、(六)本院委員賴士\n葆等26 人擬具「遺產及贈與稅法第三十條及第四十一條條文修正草案」案；二、審查「土地稅\n法」9案：（詢答）(一)本院委員李坤城等18人、委員馬文君等20人分別擬具「土地稅法增訂第\n十七條之一條文草案」等2案、(二)行政院函請審議、本院委員王美惠等 18人、委員傅崐萁等19\n人、委員李彥秀等18人、委員林倩綺等19人、委員賴士葆等41人、委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等17人\n分別擬具「土地稅法第十七條之一及第十九條條文修正草案」等7案；三、審查「房屋稅條例」9\n案：（詢答）(一)本院委員李坤城等19人、委員馬文君等21人分別擬具「房屋稅條例增訂第五條\n之一條文草案」等2案、(二)行政院函請審議、本院委員王美惠等19人、委員傅崐萁等19人、委\n員李彥秀等18人、委員林倩綺等19人、委員賴士葆等41人、委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 等17人分別擬\n具「房屋稅條例第五條之一及第六條條文修正草案」等7案","agenda_id":"1156601_00017"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}