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的國家元首去，這本來就是我們的權利啊！但是……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：我們的國家元首去是我們的權利？你現在是外交部長……"],["林部長佳龍：什麼時候去、怎麼去，我想這些都涉及到通盤的問題，包括外交跟地緣政治複雜的關係，這不是Yes、No的問題，我們有權去……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：當然這有過程、有協調，但是請教到目前為止，你有沒有建議賴總統要登上太平島宣示主權？"],["林部長佳龍：這不是我個人建不建議的問題，因為這是整個國安系統必須通盤去考量……"],["楊委員瓊瓔：你到底有沒有建議？"],["林部長佳龍：我沒有特別針對這件事情提出建議，因為這個東西涉及到海巡以及好幾個主管機關。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：本席還是認為我們的主權不容許抹煞，我相信你也贊同這樣的論述及說法，我們的領土、我們的主權是不容許抹煞的，對不對？"],["林部長佳龍：對啊！"],["楊委員瓊瓔：這是一個島，不是一個礁，是不是？"],["林部長佳龍：是啊！"],["楊委員瓊瓔：所以我希望有研議方案出來。","接下來本席要跟你討論巴布亞紐幾內亞的事情，上個禮拜四大家聽到都嚇了一跳，怎麼會突然有這樣子的宣布？根據澳洲廣播公司（ABC）報導，他的外長特卡琴柯表示臺灣在該國的運作「已不再獲得承認，亦無必要」，他更強調這是為了深化跟北京互信關鍵的一步，在這樣的情況之下，引起了社會大眾很大的訝異及譁然，因為我們跟巴紐也有很多經貿契約，所以要請教他這一項決策外交部事前知情嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：其實在去年就經過大家的交涉，他們內閣有通過一個決定就是要檢討巴紐跟臺灣的關係，結果還沒有到兩年這位外交部長自己就做這個宣示，當然他也講得很清楚，我們知道背後也是中國在影響他。我們就是持續在跟他交涉，同時也跟一些友盟溝通，針對他所講的我們沒有什麼經貿往來我們也加以澄清，所以目前的狀態就在交涉中。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：到目前為止，我們一直聽到外交部也提出抗議，也一直告訴我們目前還在交涉當中，其實這當中也包括蠻多原本的商業合作與契約，我們一定要堅定的找出方法來確保我國的權益，我想應該是朝這個目標吧！"],["林部長佳龍：是朝這個目標。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：請問到目前為止我們跟巴紐有沒有更進一步的進展？外交部辛苦的在交涉當中，目前為止有沒有更進一步的進展？"],["林部長佳龍：目前就是在交涉中，然後有一些國家也陸續有發聲，就是支持臺灣繼續在這邊維持我們的代表處。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：請教巴紐到目前為止有沒有善意的回應？"],["林部長佳龍：就是在交涉中。"],["楊委員瓊瓔：一定要加油。"],["林部長佳龍：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝，接下來請陳冠廷委員上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":202,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-35-28","speakers":["馬文君","陳俊宇","羅美玲","陳永康","王義川","林楚茵","黃建賓","王安祥","徐巧芯","牛煦庭","賴士葆","鍾佳濱","許忠信","鄭正鈐","林倩綺","楊瓊瓔","陳冠廷","黃仁","沈伯洋"],"page_start":151,"meetingDate":["2026-07-22"],"gazette_id":"1156601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1156601_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期外交及國防委員會第28次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告「我國近年針對南海主權與法律地位之國際宣傳實績成效暨如何應對\n周邊國家擴大主權國際宣傳之具體反制策略」，併請海洋委員會、大陸委員會列席，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1156601_00015"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}