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:26:36.888889+08:00","text":"這個狀況有沒有改變？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:26:37+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:26:39.750000+08:00","text":"我們談判的基礎有沒有改變？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:26:40+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:26:45.823529+08:00","text":"談判的基礎並沒有變動，所以301條款對我們來說其實是相對有優惠的。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:26:46+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:26:48.875000+08:00","text":"301條款，我有看新聞，我了解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:26:49+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:27:13.818182+08:00","text":"我的意思是，我們今天在談的是車輛的關稅，這個議題是因為我們跟美國之間為了對等關稅才引起的嘛，政府很認真，也都去做了談判，談判的結果也都很好，可是現在談判的基礎已經從對等關稅變成特別301，尤其是勞動條件改變的調查，那這個調查，臺灣沒有問題啊！","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:27:14+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:27:16.785714+08:00","text":"臺灣基本上沒有特別去奴役勞工啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:27:17+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:27:29.760000+08:00","text":"除了極少數的個案是加班沒有符合規範之外，其他的沒這個問題，我的意思是，那現在美國還在要求我們要降低車輛的關稅嗎？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:27:31+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:27:31.857143+08:00","text":"還是已經沒有了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:27:32+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:27:56.785714+08:00","text":"這個部分是在談判的過程當中，在301的調查裡面，我們是針對他的議題來提出來的，ART已經簽了，未來在ART所簽的項目如何來落實，這個部分之前行政院也提過，就一定要完成國內的相關程序，至於美國在談判的過程有沒有再提出來這樣一個要求，我想談判辦公室比較了解情況。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:27:57+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:27:58+08:00","text":"所以你也不清楚就對了？對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:27:59+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:28:11.812500+08:00","text":"好，如果是這樣，因為是從跟美國對等關稅談判開始衍生的一連串議題，那請問車輛降關稅是針對美國的車輛，還是針對全世界所有的車輛都一致？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:28:12+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:28:25.875000+08:00","text":"當然剛剛經濟部也說得很清楚，在臺美談判的時候，是對美國的一個雙邊談判，只對美國車的進口要降關稅，但如果修正海關進口稅則的話，那是全面性的降，是完全不一樣的。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:28:26+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:28:31.500000+08:00","text":"對，所以今天的議題是要動我們的國內法去全面降關稅哦！是的。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:28:32.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:28:37.600000+08:00","text":"跟你今天說的跟美國之間的這個事情，其實沒有在完全一致的平台上哦！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:28:38+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:28:40.875000+08:00","text":"是不一致，因為臺美是雙邊的，只針對美國這一塊。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:28:42+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:29:08.454545+08:00","text":"其實美國車要來臺灣，它的困擾還不只有關稅，因為美國是要照美規做車輛，臺灣過去都主要都是歐規車，美規跟歐規就不一樣，這中間的差距要做調整，不然的話，就算是美國生產的車子也很難順利的進到臺灣來，因為有其他非關稅壁壘，光是檢驗各方面都困難。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:29:09.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:29:36.800000+08:00","text":"因為這個議題一直不確定，造成市場上一個狀況，就是近一、兩年來，車子的銷售情況都很不好，很多消費者認為他再忍一下、再等一下，搞不好就降稅了，就可以省很多錢，所以這個事情變成是有一點為了想要省點錢，而產生了一種消費遞延的狀況，部長，你了解這種狀況嗎？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:29:37+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:29:44.210526+08:00","text":"沒有錯，委員說的確實是，也就是說有持續觀望的態度，這個可以從我們的貨物稅跟特銷稅呈現。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:29:45.222222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:29:51.777778+08:00","text":"那如果是這樣的話，這個事情我從去年就問到現在，已經快要一年了，什麼時候才能夠定案？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:29:52+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:30:07.777778+08:00","text":"你不定案，這個狀況就沒辦法解決，還是你就宣布不可能，你們要消費的就趕快消費，這樣又變成欺騙國民的問題，這個事情一直拖在那邊，對整個臺灣車界是一件很不利的事情。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:30:08.461538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:30:19.812500+08:00","text":"請經濟部產發署鄒副署長也來幫忙回答這一題，我的意思是這個一直不定，事實上，對臺灣的車市在銷售上有很大的傷害。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鄒副署長宇新","start":"2026-07-29T09:30:21.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:30:45.846154+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，確實如您所言，民眾觀望的態度在去年暑假以後，其實就很明顯的浮現，所以經濟部和財政部在去年9月的時候，也透過大院的協助，通過了貨物稅減稅的修法，目前整車汽車的部分，新購汽車可以有5萬塊的貨物稅減免，另外還有5萬汰舊換新的減免。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:30:46+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:30:51.777778+08:00","text":"我知道，因為那個是我們通過的，我了解，我們針對問題，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:30:52.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:30:53.857143+08:00","text":"這個到底什麼時候才能定案？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:30:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:30:56.800000+08:00","text":"因為一直不定案，這個狀況就會一直存在！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄒副署長宇新","start":"2026-07-29T09:30:57.769231+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:31:12.846154+08:00","text":"因為ART協議涉及到美方的法源依據必須要做一些調整，目前我的了解是還沒有完成調整，可能還是要回到經貿談判辦公室那一邊，才有辦法知道最新的進度。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:31:15+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:31:20.818182+08:00","text":"好，所以大家都是憑空在等，人家一直問我，我也只能說還在談、還在談。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"鄒副署長宇新","start":"2026-07-29T09:31:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:31:33+08:00","text":"不過跟委員報告，今年上半年整車不管是產值或是銷售情形，與去年同期比較，其實是有微幅成長1%到2%。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:31:34+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:31:36.647059+08:00","text":"問題是去年整個衰退了不知道幾十趴。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"鄒副署長宇新","start":"2026-07-29T09:31:37+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:31:40.750000+08:00","text":"去年應該是從4月份以後開始衰退。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:31:41.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:31:52.800000+08:00","text":"去年衰退那麼多，今年跟去年比、跟一個成績最差的年度比，還增加1%、2%而已，所以其實很多人都在等，大家也都在complain到底這個事情要怎麼樣。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:31:53.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:32:05.846154+08:00","text":"我跟你講，我以前在縣政府服務的時候，蘇貞昌縣長曾經說過甲案也好，乙案也好，拖延案最不好，因為拖延案就是在不確定的狀況之中。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:32:06.571429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:32:07.714286+08:00","text":"先請你回座。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:32:08.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:32:10.700000+08:00","text":"再繼續請教莊部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:32:11.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:32:18.777778+08:00","text":"美中貿易戰爭，而對等關稅是從這邊來的，其實我們臺灣最大的課題是要避免洗產地。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:32:19+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:32:25.750000+08:00","text":"你那個時候在這邊講你要事前嚴防、事中嚴查、事後嚴罰，請問你有做到嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:32:26.307692+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:32:34+08:00","text":"我們海關確實在落實執行，而且我們也組成了強查小組，由各關關務長率隊強查。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:32:35+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:32:43.750000+08:00","text":"我們對高風險廠商要提高查核頻率，也會建立違規態樣資料庫，並且做精準打擊，都有做到。","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:32:44+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:33:02.777778+08:00","text":"我跟你報告，你們給我的資料是查了三萬六千多筆，其中疑似違規轉運案件354筆，移送貿易署目前完成200件裁罰，還有一百多件還沒有裁罰。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:33:03+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:33:05.750000+08:00","text":"你知道這200件的裁罰是罰多少錢嗎？","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:33:06+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:33:14.666667+08:00","text":"加總在一起裁罰4,643萬，平均一件被抓到違規洗產地罰23萬，誰會怕啊？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:33:15.571429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:33:19.769231+08:00","text":"洗產地、換標獲得的利潤永遠不只這些。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:33:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:33:23.857143+08:00","text":"也有罰到60萬，跟委員報告……","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:33:24.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:33:40.692308+08:00","text":"最高罰了60萬，可見還有更低的，可能也只有罰2萬塊錢、3萬塊錢，如果這樣的罰法叫事後嚴罰，事後嚴罰比我獲得的利益要小很多，我當然會有誘因去違規。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:33:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:34:03.500000+08:00","text":"而且在自由貿易港區，我們本來就懷疑自由貿易港區最容易，因為沒有進到關內、沒有進到臺灣，所以在自由貿易港區裡面改標是最方便的，結果到現在一年多了，自由貿易港區你們只有查獲2件，所以你說的事中嚴查，我很懷疑耶！","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:34:05+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:34:24+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個數據其實也有在增加，我們到7月19日已經查緝四萬多筆輸美貨物的案件，移送的有399筆，貿易署裁處231筆，罰鍰約5,585萬。","quality":0.712},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:34:27+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:34:30.833333+08:00","text":"就是多了31筆，剛剛我跟你講200筆，現在變成231筆。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:34:31+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:34:40.800000+08:00","text":"但是我們的嚴查以及罰鍰基本上應該也可以有遏阻作用，同時我們也會對違規廠商鍵入資料庫，查核頻繁會更加強。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:34:42+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:34:59.818182+08:00","text":"我建議你跟經濟部橫向聯繫，委員會要求嚴查這種偽冒、洗產地的做法，既然你們政策宣示是事中嚴查、事後嚴罰，所謂的嚴罰是什麼標準？","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:35:00+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:35:01.800000+08:00","text":"是不是跟他們溝通一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:35:02.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:35:18.714286+08:00","text":"嘴巴講得很嚴重，結果落實的時候落實得很輕微，這個就是我們臺灣目前法令執行上的問題，各個地方、各個層級的政府都一樣，明明規定要去查廠，查、不查，查到了又怎麼樣？","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:35:19+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:35:23.833333+08:00","text":"一樣，大家都知道法令訂定得很嚴格，到了執行面的時候都變得很輕忽。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:35:24+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:35:24.800000+08:00","text":"加油，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員秉叡","start":"2026-07-29T09:35:25+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:35:27.714286+08:00","text":"為了臺灣我們大家要努力，謝謝。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:35:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:35:30.500000+08:00","text":"好的，我們還是不會輕忽，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-29T09:35:31+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-29T09:35:35+08:00","text":"謝謝，我們結束吳秉叡委員的質詢。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-29T09:35:35.300000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-29T09:35:37.871429+08:00","text":"接下來請賴士葆委員。","quality":0.111}]},"gazette":{"lineno":107,"blocks":[["吳委員秉叡：（9時25分）主席，麻煩請財政部莊部長。"],["主席：請莊部長。"],["莊部長翠雲：委員好。"],["吳委員秉叡：這個題目是從去年美國發布對等關稅才引起的，後來因為被美國大法官宣告這個對等關稅課徵違憲，所以現在還有一些在退還，然後美國行政機關就改用特別301進行勞動的調查和傾銷的調查，就這個議題而言，你認為跟美國談判之間的情勢有沒有變更？"],["莊部長翠雲：目前來說，跟美國談判我們之前有說簽訂ART，這一次美國動用301條款進行強迫勞動的調查，臺灣是10%而且不疊加MFN，而且還有2,231項產品是豁免的，這個部分其實跟當時ART談判有一個比較好的結果是相關的。我想臺美談判也會持續的取得優惠的條件……"],["吳委員秉叡：我相信相關啦，我現在的問題是，你注意聽我的問題，我說關於車輛關稅的問題，因為以前談判對等關稅的時候，他要求我們要降關稅，現在改成特別301勞動條件調查，美方還有做這樣的要求嗎？這個狀況有沒有改變？我們談判的基礎有沒有改變？"],["莊部長翠雲：談判的基礎並沒有變動，所以301條款對我們來說其實是相對有優惠的。"],["吳委員秉叡：301條款，我有看新聞，我了解。我的意思是，我們今天在談的是車輛的關稅，這個議題是因為我們跟美國之間為了對等關稅才引起的嘛，政府很認真，也都去做了談判，談判的結果也都很好，可是現在談判的基礎已經從對等關稅變成特別301，尤其是勞動條件改變的調查，那這個調查，臺灣沒有問題啊！臺灣基本上沒有特別去奴役勞工啊！除了極少數的個案是加班沒有符合規範之外，其他的沒這個問題，我的意思是，那現在美國還在要求我們要降低車輛的關稅嗎？還是已經沒有了？"],["莊部長翠雲：這個部分是在談判的過程當中，在301的調查裡面，我們是針對他的議題來提出來的，ART已經簽了，未來在ART所簽的項目如何來落實，這個部分之前行政院也提過，就一定要完成國內的相關程序，至於美國在談判的過程有沒有再提出來這樣一個要求，我想談判辦公室比較了解情況。"],["吳委員秉叡：所以你也不清楚就對了？"],["莊部長翠雲：對。"],["吳委員秉叡：好，如果是這樣，因為是從跟美國對等關稅談判開始衍生的一連串議題，那請問車輛降關稅是針對美國的車輛，還是針對全世界所有的車輛都一致？"],["莊部長翠雲：當然剛剛經濟部也說得很清楚，在臺美談判的時候，是對美國的一個雙邊談判，只對美國車的進口要降關稅，但如果修正海關進口稅則的話，那是全面性的降，是完全不一樣的。"],["吳委員秉叡：對，所以今天的議題是要動我們的國內法去全面降關稅哦！"],["莊部長翠雲：是的。"],["吳委員秉叡：跟你今天說的跟美國之間的這個事情，其實沒有在完全一致的平台上哦！"],["莊部長翠雲：是不一致，因為臺美是雙邊的，只針對美國這一塊。"],["吳委員秉叡：其實美國車要來臺灣，它的困擾還不只有關稅，因為美國是要照美規做車輛，臺灣過去都主要都是歐規車，美規跟歐規就不一樣，這中間的差距要做調整，不然的話，就算是美國生產的車子也很難順利的進到臺灣來，因為有其他非關稅壁壘，光是檢驗各方面都困難。因為這個議題一直不確定，造成市場上一個狀況，就是近一、兩年來，車子的銷售情況都很不好，很多消費者認為他再忍一下、再等一下，搞不好就降稅了，就可以省很多錢，所以這個事情變成是有一點為了想要省點錢，而產生了一種消費遞延的狀況，部長，你了解這種狀況嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：沒有錯，委員說的確實是，也就是說有持續觀望的態度，這個可以從我們的貨物稅跟特銷稅呈現。"],["吳委員秉叡：那如果是這樣的話，這個事情我從去年就問到現在，已經快要一年了，什麼時候才能夠定案？你不定案，這個狀況就沒辦法解決，還是你就宣布不可能，你們要消費的就趕快消費，這樣又變成欺騙國民的問題，這個事情一直拖在那邊，對整個臺灣車界是一件很不利的事情。","請經濟部產發署鄒副署長也來幫忙回答這一題，我的意思是這個一直不定，事實上，對臺灣的車市在銷售上有很大的傷害。"],["鄒副署長宇新：跟委員報告，確實如您所言，民眾觀望的態度在去年暑假以後，其實就很明顯的浮現，所以經濟部和財政部在去年9月的時候，也透過大院的協助，通過了貨物稅減稅的修法，目前整車汽車的部分，新購汽車可以有5萬塊的貨物稅減免，另外還有5萬汰舊換新的減免。"],["吳委員秉叡：我知道，因為那個是我們通過的，我了解，我們針對問題，好不好？這個到底什麼時候才能定案？因為一直不定案，這個狀況就會一直存在！"],["鄒副署長宇新：因為ART協議涉及到美方的法源依據必須要做一些調整，目前我的了解是還沒有完成調整，可能還是要回到經貿談判辦公室那一邊，才有辦法知道最新的進度。"],["吳委員秉叡：好，所以大家都是憑空在等，人家一直問我，我也只能說還在談、還在談。"],["鄒副署長宇新：不過跟委員報告，今年上半年整車不管是產值或是銷售情形，與去年同期比較，其實是有微幅成長1%到2%。"],["吳委員秉叡：問題是去年整個衰退了不知道幾十趴。"],["鄒副署長宇新：去年應該是從4月份以後開始衰退。"],["吳委員秉叡：去年衰退那麼多，今年跟去年比、跟一個成績最差的年度比，還增加1%、2%而已，所以其實很多人都在等，大家也都在complain到底這個事情要怎麼樣。我跟你講，我以前在縣政府服務的時候，蘇貞昌縣長曾經說過甲案也好，乙案也好，拖延案最不好，因為拖延案就是在不確定的狀況之中。先請你回座。","再繼續請教莊部長。美中貿易戰爭，而對等關稅是從這邊來的，其實我們臺灣最大的課題是要避免洗產地。你那個時候在這邊講你要事前嚴防、事中嚴查、事後嚴罰，請問你有做到嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：我們海關確實在落實執行，而且我們也組成了強查小組，由各關關務長率隊強查。我們對高風險廠商要提高查核頻率，也會建立違規態樣資料庫，並且做精準打擊，都有做到。"],["吳委員秉叡：我跟你報告，你們給我的資料是查了三萬六千多筆，其中疑似違規轉運案件354筆，移送貿易署目前完成200件裁罰，還有一百多件還沒有裁罰。你知道這200件的裁罰是罰多少錢嗎？加總在一起裁罰4,643萬，平均一件被抓到違規洗產地罰23萬，誰會怕啊？洗產地、換標獲得的利潤永遠不只這些。"],["莊部長翠雲：也有罰到60萬，跟委員報告……"],["吳委員秉叡：最高罰了60萬，可見還有更低的，可能也只有罰2萬塊錢、3萬塊錢，如果這樣的罰法叫事後嚴罰，事後嚴罰比我獲得的利益要小很多，我當然會有誘因去違規。而且在自由貿易港區，我們本來就懷疑自由貿易港區最容易，因為沒有進到關內、沒有進到臺灣，所以在自由貿易港區裡面改標是最方便的，結果到現在一年多了，自由貿易港區你們只有查獲2件，所以你說的事中嚴查，我很懷疑耶！"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，這個數據其實也有在增加，我們到7月19日已經查緝四萬多筆輸美貨物的案件，移送的有399筆，貿易署裁處231筆，罰鍰約5,585萬。"],["吳委員秉叡：就是多了31筆，剛剛我跟你講200筆，現在變成231筆。"],["莊部長翠雲：但是我們的嚴查以及罰鍰基本上應該也可以有遏阻作用，同時我們也會對違規廠商鍵入資料庫，查核頻繁會更加強。"],["吳委員秉叡：我建議你跟經濟部橫向聯繫，委員會要求嚴查這種偽冒、洗產地的做法，既然你們政策宣示是事中嚴查、事後嚴罰，所謂的嚴罰是什麼標準？是不是跟他們溝通一下？嘴巴講得很嚴重，結果落實的時候落實得很輕微，這個就是我們臺灣目前法令執行上的問題，各個地方、各個層級的政府都一樣，明明規定要去查廠，查、不查，查到了又怎麼樣？一樣，大家都知道法令訂定得很嚴格，到了執行面的時候都變得很輕忽。加油，好不好？為了臺灣我們大家要努力，謝謝。"],["莊部長翠雲：好的，我們還是不會輕忽，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝，我們結束吳秉叡委員的質詢。","接下來請賴士葆委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":254,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-20-24","speakers":["李彥秀","賴士葆","林德福","吳秉叡","郭國文","賴惠員","林岱樺","劉書彬","李坤城","林思銘","顏寬恒","王世堅","許忠信","陳玉珍","羅明才","楊瓊瓔"],"page_start":207,"meetingDate":["2026-07-29"],"gazette_id":"1156801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1156801_00008"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第24次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"審查本院委員王世堅等17人、委員呂玉玲等16人、委員葉元之等17人、委員黃健豪等18人、委員\n黃健豪等19人、委員賴士葆等18人、委員李彥秀等20人分別擬具「海關進口稅則部分稅則修正草\n案」等7案（詢答）","agenda_id":"1156801_00012"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}