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-07-29T09:39:50.857143+08:00","text":"要多少時間，副署長，兩個月內可以嗎？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:39:50.857143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-29T09:39:54+08:00","text":"因為我的時間有限……","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"鄒副署長宇新","start":"2026-07-29T09:39:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:40:01.666667+08:00","text":"因為我們7月22號收到財政部的意見，所以我們還需要一些時間做模型的調整。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:40:02+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:40:02.666667+08:00","text":"還多久時間？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:40:03+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:40:03.833333+08:00","text":"兩個月可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄒副署長宇新","start":"2026-07-29T09:40:04+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:40:04.750000+08:00","text":"我們儘快。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:40:05+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:40:06.666667+08:00","text":"兩個月可以吧？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:40:07.461538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:40:09.769231+08:00","text":"部長，你的報告寫得這麼清楚……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"鄒副署長宇新","start":"2026-07-29T09:40:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:40:10.750000+08:00","text":"我們儘量在兩個月。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:40:13+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:40:23.363636+08:00","text":"如果13項汽車零組件關稅降為零，稅收增加0.52億，你寫得這麼清楚，這麼好的事情，半夜我們也要去做，好不好？","quality":0.651},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:40:23.909091+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:40:24.636364+08:00","text":"副署長請回。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:40:27+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:40:32.142857+08:00","text":"我請教一下部長，外界是看不懂啦！","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:40:33+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:40:35.727273+08:00","text":"為什麼官股要介入國票金？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:40:37.090909+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:40:50.700000+08:00","text":"我質詢你的時候，你就說因為裡面管理得亂七八糟，問題很大什麼的，問題很大的公司何其多！","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:40:51.923077+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:40:53.800000+08:00","text":"什麼地方不介入，你為什麼偏偏就介入這個？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:40:55+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:41:04.857143+08:00","text":"我就問你一個問題，以後我們講財政部及泛公股八大行庫要來，是不是未來變成九大行庫，有沒有這個事情？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:41:06+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:41:07.714286+08:00","text":"他要不要來備詢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:41:09+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:41:13.714286+08:00","text":"當然按照立法院的職權來做。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:41:14+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:41:14.333333+08:00","text":"不是，要不要？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:41:14.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:41:15.666667+08:00","text":"你回答我嘛！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:41:18+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:41:18.875000+08:00","text":"尊重立法院的要求。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:41:19+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:41:23.666667+08:00","text":"那就是以後變成不是八大行庫，是九大行庫喔，是不是這樣？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:41:24+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:41:25.285714+08:00","text":"我們尊重立法院的要求。不！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:41:25.428571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:41:26.500000+08:00","text":"你回答我Yes or No。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:41:27.428571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:41:27.714286+08:00","text":"可以來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:41:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:41:28.500000+08:00","text":"可以來？對。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:41:29+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:41:37.800000+08:00","text":"因為國營事業管理法第三條定得這麼清楚，官股什麼時候要來？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:41:39+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:42:00.888889+08:00","text":"政府持股未超過50%，但政府指派公股代表擔任董事長或總經理，立法院要求，他就要來，國營事業管理法第三條定得這麼清楚，所以以後變成我們的泛公股八大行庫改成九大行庫，我這樣講沒有問題吧？","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:42:03+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:42:03.833333+08:00","text":"部長，我再確定一下。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:42:04+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:42:08.714286+08:00","text":"委員，您已經把國營事業管理法列出來，立法院得要求嘛！","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:42:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:42:10.857143+08:00","text":"所以尊重立法院。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:42:11+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:42:12.833333+08:00","text":"好，以後就九大行庫。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:42:14+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:42:20.750000+08:00","text":"同時我就問，當時我問不出一個所以然，看不懂啦！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:42:21.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:42:28.500000+08:00","text":"財政部，你只有說有多少實力就拿多少席次，很好！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:42:29+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:42:46.666667+08:00","text":"但是大家會想到戰略性介入國票金，因為它是最小的金控，大家就會想到你要推公公併、你要併彰銀，結果發現也沒有啊！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:42:47+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:42:50.333333+08:00","text":"後來發現原來答案在這裡，「機關安佇倉庫」！","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:42:52+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:43:09.666667+08:00","text":"只有圖利某一個集團的代表人擔任副董事長，年薪上千萬以上，併了老半天，結果沒有併，只有做一件事情，圖利特定集團啦！","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:43:11.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:43:14.428571+08:00","text":"圖利耐斯集團，就變成這個樣子！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:43:15+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:43:30.750000+08:00","text":"現在看到的答案是這個，大家看了老半天看不懂，答案掀開了，沒有什麼偉大的戰略，什麼都沒有，就是6個字：「圖利特定財團」，這樣而已！","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:43:31.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:43:45.500000+08:00","text":"答案就是用股份押他，給他當一個副董事長，上有董事長，下有總經理，副董事長坐領乾薪，就這樣子而已，是坐領高薪，還不是乾薪而已，是高薪啦！","quality":0.707},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:43:47+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:43:55.500000+08:00","text":"部長，吃相很難看，你做歷史罪人，莊部長，你做這個決定很難看。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:43:57+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:44:03.777778+08:00","text":"委員，我想在國票金這件事情，委員也好，還有社會各界都有一些相關的意見。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:44:04.142857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:44:24.800000+08:00","text":"當然我們也都了解各個意見的相關緣由，我們已經一再說過了，國票金控目前來說，官股指派有關股權代表，他們首要的工作就是完善公司治理及提升營運績效，後續的做法當然大家都說沒有做、沒有做，對我們來講，這個部分大家的……","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:44:25+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:44:27.714286+08:00","text":"你來推翻我講的話嘛！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:44:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:44:30.750000+08:00","text":"你今天備詢要推翻我講的……","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:44:31+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:44:31.750000+08:00","text":"我沒有……另外所謂的……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:44:31.750000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-29T09:44:32.875000+08:00","text":"賴委員質詢的，你沒有回答我，對不對？","quality":0.267},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:44:32.875000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-29T09:44:34+08:00","text":"我回答啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:44:34+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:44:37.400000+08:00","text":"你沒有相關戰略，沒有就是圖利而已，你同意了，圖利、圖利特定財團啊！","quality":0.464},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:44:38+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:44:42.833333+08:00","text":"圖利這個事情不要隨便冠在我們同仁身上。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:44:42.833333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-29T09:44:43.833333+08:00","text":"當然是啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:44:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:44:44.714286+08:00","text":"請問你，你做了什麼？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-07-29T09:44:45+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:44:50.750000+08:00","text":"就是給他一個副董事長，不然你有種就給他董事長，你不敢，只給他副董事長，對不對？","quality":0.735},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-07-29T09:44:51+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T09:44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