{"error":false,"id":["170733"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":170733,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/170733","日期":"2026-07-29","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-5-20-24","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第5會期財政委員會第24次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":5,"會次":24,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[20],"委員會代碼:str":["財政委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第5會期財政委員會第24次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2026-07-29T10:09:34+08:00","結束時間":"2026-07-29T10:20:57+08:00","影片長度":"00:11:23","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/271ed4367c1fa4644c751aea6b781fbf33d96299fbed69daf022f95b44c761a1046b0eefe8e5e5315ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"林岱樺","委員發言時間":"10:09:34 - 10:20:57","會議時間":"2026-07-29T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第24次全體委員會議（事由：審查本院委員王世堅等17人、委員呂玉玲等16人、委員葉元之等17人、委員黃健豪等18人、委員黃健豪等19人、委員賴士葆等18人、委員李彥秀等20人分別擬具「海關進口稅則部分稅則修正草案」等7案。（僅詢答））","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":1.9715937500000003,"end":6.527843750000001,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":8.333468750000002,"end":8.94096875,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":14.84721875,"end":15.488468750000003,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":15.353468750000001,"end":63.97034375000001,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":64.13909375,"end":113.80221875000001,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":107.59221875,"end":108.01409375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":111.99659375,"end":112.31721875000001,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":113.98784375000001,"end":118.67909375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":119.30346875000001,"end":122.56034375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":123.18471875,"end":132.24659375000002,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":133.17471875,"end":155.51721875,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":153.62721875,"end":154.15034375000002,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":155.43284375000002,"end":159.88784375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":160.27596875,"end":213.95534375000003,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":214.44471875000002,"end":219.69284375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":220.14846875,"end":221.92034375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":222.27471875,"end":227.23596875,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":227.91096875000002,"end":234.15471875000003,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":234.81284375,"end":237.27659375000002,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":237.58034375000003,"end":247.45221875000001,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":248.51534375000003,"end":254.74221875,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":255.18096875,"end":302.24534375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":302.63346875,"end":308.08409375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":308.32034375,"end":313.75409375000004,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":314.53034375000004,"end":317.43284375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":317.78721875,"end":339.87659375000004,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":339.99471875,"end":348.21284375000005,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":348.60096875000005,"end":355.19909375000003,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":356.76846875,"end":368.05784375,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":368.59784375000004,"end":371.06159375000004,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":369.79596875000004,"end":370.13346875,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":371.29784375,"end":374.35221875,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":374.36909375000005,"end":383.21159375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":383.97096875,"end":389.06721875000005,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":389.21909375,"end":396.34034375000005,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":397.82534375,"end":403.66409375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":404.59221875000003,"end":409.85721875,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":410.34659375,"end":413.04659375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":413.29971875,"end":414.48096875000005,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":416.16846875000005,"end":417.70409375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":418.54784375,"end":420.82596875,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":422.49659375000005,"end":423.98159375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":424.33596875,"end":427.50846875,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":428.33534375000005,"end":447.03284375000004,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":447.20159375000003,"end":458.37284375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":459.58784375000005,"end":462.16971875,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":462.50721875000005,"end":463.87409375000004,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":464.80221875,"end":466.59096875000006,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":467.62034375,"end":469.88159375000004,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":468.91971875,"end":471.65346875000006,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":473.47596875000005,"end":477.57659375000003,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":478.03221875,"end":482.84159375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":483.75284375,"end":484.79909375000005,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":484.96784375000004,"end":485.94659375000003,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":485.28846875000005,"end":486.53721875,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":486.85784375000003,"end":500.40846875000005,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":496.96596875000006,"end":509.52096875,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":504.84659375,"end":505.25159375000004,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":509.55471875,"end":535.10346875,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":533.41596875,"end":537.8372187500001,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":535.47471875,"end":535.91346875,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":538.27596875,"end":541.4484687500001,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":541.54971875,"end":550.08846875,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":550.4597187500001,"end":553.5984687499999,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":554.32409375,"end":557.85096875,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":554.35784375,"end":554.49284375,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":558.3403437500001,"end":564.92159375,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":558.54284375,"end":561.0234687500001,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":563.47034375,"end":570.6084687499999,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":571.06409375,"end":574.1184687500001,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":574.2703437499999,"end":575.7890937500001,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":575.58659375,"end":579.09659375,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":577.96596875,"end":578.7422187500001,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":579.24846875,"end":586.55534375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":580.61534375,"end":580.76721875,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":580.78409375,"end":580.8515937500001,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":581.9653437500001,"end":583.29846875,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":584.1928437500001,"end":587.66909375,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":586.99409375,"end":588.12471875,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":588.12471875,"end":594.26721875,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":589.22159375,"end":591.60096875,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":592.56284375,"end":598.2665937500001,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":598.38471875,"end":621.1997187500001,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":621.55409375,"end":623.41034375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":623.56221875,"end":635.34096875,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":628.8272187499999,"end":629.45159375,"speaker_score":0.974},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":635.62784375,"end":656.2153437500001,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":656.45159375,"end":667.55534375,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":668.41596875,"end":680.6672187500001,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"林委員岱樺","start":681.29159375,"end":682.5234687500001,"speaker_score":0.983},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"彭署長英偉","start":681.3759687500001,"end":682.03409375,"speaker_score":0.974}],"whisperx":[{"start":0,"end":7,"text":"好有請官務署署長彭英偉彭署長"},{"start":7,"end":9,"text":"彭署長"},{"start":9,"end":15,"text":"是委員好"},{"start":15,"end":20,"text":"好署長在將近三個月前我針對義志衛有第一次的質詢"},{"start":20,"end":24,"text":"今天我在進行第二次的質詢"},{"start":24,"end":29,"text":"那這個在這個義志衛當中"},{"start":29,"end":35,"text":"人民是不是有這個預先透過跨境網路"},{"start":35,"end":38,"text":"跨境這個採購的時候"},{"start":38,"end":40,"text":"網購的時候"},{"start":40,"end":44,"text":"那我們的義志衛能不能做到事先的告知"},{"start":44,"end":50,"text":"我買了這個東西是不是會觸及相關的"},{"start":50,"end":53,"text":"相關的這個簡易的法規"},{"start":53,"end":58,"text":"或者是相關衛福部當中的衛生的相關的法規"},{"start":58,"end":61,"text":"這個我希望能夠有一個事先知情"},{"start":61,"end":64,"text":"那我不知道你們現在有的進度如何"},{"start":64,"end":65,"text":"跟委員回報"},{"start":65,"end":66,"text":"上次委員質詢之後"},{"start":66,"end":68,"text":"我們官務署立即做兩件事情"},{"start":68,"end":69,"text":"第一個"},{"start":69,"end":72,"text":"因為這個邊境管制上有些輸出規定"},{"start":72,"end":74,"text":"或者是說要許可的"},{"start":74,"end":76,"text":"這些都是屬於邊境"},{"start":76,"end":79,"text":"其他的一個輸出主管機關"},{"start":79,"end":81,"text":"我們所謂的簽審機關他的規定"},{"start":81,"end":83,"text":"我們立即跟這些機關聯繫"},{"start":83,"end":86,"text":"請他們照委員的意思說"},{"start":86,"end":90,"text":"需要提醒民眾的這些項目都跟我們講"},{"start":90,"end":91,"text":"第二件事情我們做了"},{"start":91,"end":93,"text":"就跟官方網路公司這邊來聯繫"},{"start":93,"end":95,"text":"就是說我們日後要改"},{"start":95,"end":97,"text":"依委員的這個指示"},{"start":97,"end":99,"text":"我們要提醒民眾就是說"},{"start":99,"end":102,"text":"你在買什麼上網買什麼東西的時候"},{"start":102,"end":103,"text":"需要有一個提示的功能"},{"start":103,"end":107,"text":"這邊目前兩院我們都已經在處理了"},{"start":107,"end":109,"text":"簽審機關那邊有回覆我們大概"},{"start":109,"end":112,"text":"兩百七十幾項的一個項目"},{"start":112,"end":114,"text":"那以後會提醒民眾"},{"start":114,"end":116,"text":"好來那你認為EASYWAY"},{"start":116,"end":121,"text":"你們給這個官貿網路公司"},{"start":121,"end":126,"text":"到底EASYWAY這樣的通關便利程序"},{"start":126,"end":131,"text":"是不是屬於你財政部下的這個通關的程序"},{"start":131,"end":133,"text":"法定程序"},{"start":133,"end":135,"text":"跟委員回報就是說"},{"start":135,"end":138,"text":"我們的通關程序指的是說"},{"start":138,"end":140,"text":"跟海關遞送報單等等"},{"start":140,"end":145,"text":"跟這個民眾要不要委託報關行"},{"start":145,"end":147,"text":"去處理報關的事情"},{"start":147,"end":148,"text":"我們是一向認為說"},{"start":148,"end":153,"text":"就是說民眾跟報關行之間的一個委任關係"},{"start":153,"end":155,"text":"並不是我們的通關一個行為"},{"start":155,"end":160,"text":"好所以你認為EASYWAY這件事情對人民的收費"},{"start":160,"end":163,"text":"不管是對報關業者對承攬業者"},{"start":163,"end":167,"text":"以及他們這些業者轉嫁給我所有的消費者"},{"start":167,"end":169,"text":"這些都是民間的跟你沒有關"},{"start":169,"end":171,"text":"好那本席要質疑了"},{"start":171,"end":174,"text":"第一個你為了給EASYWAY這樣的通關便利"},{"start":174,"end":178,"text":"你今年二月的時候修改法令"},{"start":178,"end":184,"text":"讓他要求大家這個要做這個網路的這個網購的時候"},{"start":184,"end":186,"text":"一律要用這個EASYWAY"},{"start":186,"end":188,"text":"因為現在沒有按下EASYWAY委任確認"},{"start":188,"end":190,"text":"你的網購是不能進來的"},{"start":190,"end":196,"text":"誰民間哪一個這個資訊業者可以有這樣的權利"},{"start":196,"end":198,"text":"你政府給他一個附權"},{"start":198,"end":200,"text":"那第二個呢"},{"start":200,"end":204,"text":"你們這個API的借接這件事情"},{"start":204,"end":206,"text":"誰有能力可以有API的借接"},{"start":206,"end":209,"text":"你們給給關貿我公司"},{"start":209,"end":211,"text":"那你一般的民間的資訊公司可不可以"},{"start":211,"end":214,"text":"沒有你也沒給他這個權利"},{"start":214,"end":215,"text":"好所以呢"},{"start":215,"end":216,"text":"所以呢"},{"start":216,"end":220,"text":"既然我沒有按下我就不能通關"},{"start":220,"end":222,"text":"哇這知識體大"},{"start":222,"end":224,"text":"是你們授權給他"},{"start":224,"end":228,"text":"所以EASYWAY你還認定他是民間的"},{"start":228,"end":229,"text":"這我本席不能認同"},{"start":229,"end":232,"text":"好那就算那為什麼我不能認同的原因"},{"start":232,"end":235,"text":"因為他現在亂收費"},{"start":235,"end":237,"text":"他現在收了兩筆喔"},{"start":237,"end":240,"text":"雖然你說這都是不是消費者"},{"start":240,"end":243,"text":"可是你不管對報關業者成難業者"},{"start":243,"end":247,"text":"你現在全部轉嫁給這個我們的消費者喔"},{"start":247,"end":248,"text":"第一筆"},{"start":248,"end":250,"text":"我購了這個物品之後"},{"start":250,"end":252,"text":"我就必須有個確認費"},{"start":252,"end":255,"text":"每件就是3.5塊"},{"start":255,"end":260,"text":"你對於這個你是對報關行你也對這個成難業"},{"start":260,"end":261,"text":"不管你對這個業者"},{"start":261,"end":264,"text":"我們就俗稱這個這個這個報關的業者"},{"start":264,"end":266,"text":"3.5塊每一件3.5塊"},{"start":266,"end":269,"text":"所以呢這個就是轉嫁給我消費者"},{"start":269,"end":270,"text":"第二筆"},{"start":270,"end":274,"text":"現在的業者好你們也先溯源的確認"},{"start":274,"end":276,"text":"溯源的確認費"},{"start":276,"end":278,"text":"我們希望在你發貨的時候"},{"start":278,"end":280,"text":"你這些什麼亞馬遜啊"},{"start":280,"end":284,"text":"或者這些國外的這些網路平台"},{"start":284,"end":286,"text":"其實你們都已經跟光茂"},{"start":286,"end":288,"text":"光茂這個"},{"start":288,"end":290,"text":"光茂網路公司都已經接接了"},{"start":290,"end":291,"text":"API接接了喔"},{"start":291,"end":294,"text":"所以呢你們這些報稅的業者"},{"start":294,"end":296,"text":"或者成難業者呢"},{"start":296,"end":297,"text":"你如果呢"},{"start":297,"end":302,"text":"要用這個這種溯源的這個服務費"},{"start":302,"end":306,"text":"你都要繳給我這個光茂公司"},{"start":306,"end":308,"text":"一個月2500"},{"start":308,"end":311,"text":"之外以後你要我確認的每一筆"},{"start":311,"end":314,"text":"我加收每一件0.8塊"},{"start":314,"end":316,"text":"所以這是兩筆"},{"start":316,"end":318,"text":"一個叫做確認費"},{"start":318,"end":319,"text":"我買了這一部分之後"},{"start":319,"end":324,"text":"你要跟這些這個報稅的這相關的業者"},{"start":324,"end":326,"text":"要收一筆確認費"},{"start":326,"end":330,"text":"再來API的溯源的服務費"},{"start":330,"end":331,"text":"服務費又分兩筆"},{"start":331,"end":334,"text":"一個每個月給他給光茂公司2500"},{"start":334,"end":337,"text":"再來確認費你只要有經過你這邊服務的"},{"start":337,"end":340,"text":"再來加一筆0.8塊"},{"start":340,"end":344,"text":"哇然後這些全部都轉嫁給我所有消費者"},{"start":344,"end":346,"text":"你知道這量體多大嗎"},{"start":346,"end":347,"text":"署長你這應該知道"},{"start":347,"end":350,"text":"每一年你就用今天2026"},{"start":350,"end":352,"text":"你給我2025年"},{"start":352,"end":356,"text":"透過網購的報關的有多少件"},{"start":358,"end":362,"text":"目前快遞貨物檢疫報單是6000多萬件"},{"start":362,"end":366,"text":"那佔這個就是說民眾用EZ未來申報的"},{"start":366,"end":368,"text":"大概佔七成左右"},{"start":368,"end":371,"text":"6000你就6000"},{"start":371,"end":374,"text":"甚至你有高達到一年一億件的"},{"start":374,"end":376,"text":"好所以幾乎"},{"start":376,"end":377,"text":"不管你6000萬"},{"start":377,"end":379,"text":"或是我了解的有到"},{"start":379,"end":381,"text":"甚至有高達到一億的這樣的一個紀錄"},{"start":381,"end":383,"text":"不管好就用6000萬就好"},{"start":383,"end":385,"text":"你知道這樣的轉嫁費用"},{"start":385,"end":389,"text":"剛才那一筆的轉嫁費用幾乎每一個業者"},{"start":389,"end":392,"text":"不管是報關或每一個業者"},{"start":392,"end":396,"text":"大概一個月都要送給光茂公司一台便子"},{"start":397,"end":399,"text":"那這些費用都是誰繳"},{"start":399,"end":400,"text":"都是這些業者繳"},{"start":400,"end":403,"text":"不是都是我所有的消費者繳"},{"start":404,"end":407,"text":"這樣你還認定光茂網路公司"},{"start":407,"end":410,"text":"他的EZ未來的業務"},{"start":410,"end":415,"text":"不是你官方法定的這個通關嗎"},{"start":416,"end":418,"text":"組長你還說不是嗎"},{"start":418,"end":421,"text":"這樣的費用可以他這樣亂收嗎"},{"start":422,"end":424,"text":"所以我這邊強力要求"},{"start":424,"end":426,"text":"把這個權利收回政府"},{"start":426,"end":428,"text":"正式的編預算"},{"start":428,"end":430,"text":"你憑什麼把你這個"},{"start":430,"end":432,"text":"這個通關的便利"},{"start":432,"end":434,"text":"因為科技進步嘛"},{"start":434,"end":436,"text":"你外包給光茂公司"},{"start":436,"end":438,"text":"然後光茂公司可以這樣的"},{"start":438,"end":441,"text":"我的費用我自己定"},{"start":441,"end":443,"text":"全部交換給我業者"},{"start":443,"end":445,"text":"你還用公權你還修法"},{"start":445,"end":447,"text":"你修的法可多了"},{"start":447,"end":449,"text":"你說過所有的通關信證"},{"start":449,"end":453,"text":"你修了海關的這個航運的"},{"start":453,"end":455,"text":"空運的兩個法的"},{"start":455,"end":458,"text":"這個快遞的相關的辦法"},{"start":459,"end":462,"text":"還有海關稅則相關你都修"},{"start":462,"end":464,"text":"這樣還不是公權力"},{"start":464,"end":467,"text":"所以組長你認不認同"},{"start":468,"end":469,"text":"跟委員回報"},{"start":469,"end":472,"text":"要不要檢討收回我官方自己做"},{"start":473,"end":475,"text":"你就算要委託給他"},{"start":475,"end":478,"text":"那也可以是在官方委託"},{"start":478,"end":480,"text":"我正式的跟他簽約"},{"start":480,"end":481,"text":"我正式的編預算"},{"start":481,"end":483,"text":"裡面的費用我當然要管"},{"start":483,"end":485,"text":"組長那麼認同"},{"start":485,"end":487,"text":"要不要改要不要檢討"},{"start":487,"end":489,"text":"有關於說這十多年來"},{"start":489,"end":491,"text":"這樣採取了一個制度"},{"start":491,"end":495,"text":"要改當然這是一個重大的政策的變更"},{"start":495,"end":497,"text":"如同剛剛委員提到"},{"start":497,"end":500,"text":"所以你看我如何編列預算等等"},{"start":500,"end":505,"text":"白白的多收了多繳了多少錢"},{"start":505,"end":507,"text":"十多年來我多繳了多少錢"},{"start":507,"end":510,"text":"給官報公司賺幣賺爆了"},{"start":510,"end":513,"text":"那我想那個官報公司提出的這些"},{"start":513,"end":516,"text":"一些服務以及加值的一個服務"},{"start":516,"end":518,"text":"這些收費當然官報公司"},{"start":518,"end":521,"text":"那邊都有付出相當的一個成本"},{"start":521,"end":523,"text":"的確如委員剛剛說的"},{"start":523,"end":524,"text":"目前有兩筆費用"},{"start":524,"end":526,"text":"一個是查詢的費用"},{"start":526,"end":528,"text":"一個是確認的費用"},{"start":528,"end":530,"text":"那我們都有找官報公司"},{"start":530,"end":532,"text":"以及相關的業者來做談"},{"start":532,"end":534,"text":"業者也提出這個問題"},{"start":534,"end":535,"text":"這個組長請你就檢討"},{"start":535,"end":538,"text":"我強力要求EZ會收為公有"},{"start":538,"end":541,"text":"那包括費用包括溯源"},{"start":541,"end":545,"text":"我在還沒有發貨前我訂了一個包裹"},{"start":545,"end":548,"text":"我在這個網路平台的時候"},{"start":548,"end":550,"text":"他要發貨之前我就先確認"},{"start":550,"end":554,"text":"因為這個在API官報公司早就有了"},{"start":554,"end":558,"text":"只是你還把這個費用轉嫁給我們消費者"},{"start":558,"end":560,"text":"那多久能夠提出來"},{"start":560,"end":562,"text":"這也不是說官報唯一可以做的"},{"start":562,"end":564,"text":"只要是通關網路公司"},{"start":564,"end":568,"text":"提出將EZ會通關系統"},{"start":568,"end":571,"text":"回歸公共基礎建設"},{"start":571,"end":574,"text":"這樣的一個檢討"},{"start":574,"end":576,"text":"一個月內提供出來好嗎"},{"start":576,"end":578,"text":"跟委員報告這是重大政策"},{"start":578,"end":579,"text":"你要多久"},{"start":579,"end":580,"text":"當然重大政策"},{"start":580,"end":582,"text":"要不然我幹嘛站在這邊執行"},{"start":582,"end":584,"text":"我全台灣所有網購"},{"start":584,"end":586,"text":"你一個月六千萬件"},{"start":586,"end":588,"text":"六千萬"},{"start":588,"end":590,"text":"因為是重大政策的變更"},{"start":590,"end":592,"text":"所以給我們三個月的時間"},{"start":592,"end":593,"text":"好三個月"},{"start":593,"end":594,"text":"謝謝委員"},{"start":594,"end":595,"text":"那我再講一個案例"},{"start":595,"end":598,"text":"這紮紮實實在我的辦公室陳情的"},{"start":598,"end":601,"text":"因為他買了一個在網路上"},{"start":601,"end":604,"text":"我買了一個什麼這個"},{"start":604,"end":609,"text":"這個什麼洗牙的一個鑽石的一個零件"},{"start":609,"end":612,"text":"他本來要買這個洗牙機"},{"start":612,"end":613,"text":"結果按錯了"},{"start":613,"end":614,"text":"好沒有關係"},{"start":614,"end":615,"text":"報關進來之後"},{"start":615,"end":616,"text":"並沒有顯示"},{"start":616,"end":620,"text":"他會涉及這個相關的醫療器材法規"},{"start":620,"end":621,"text":"所以他進來了"},{"start":621,"end":623,"text":"然後這個媽媽呢"},{"start":623,"end":625,"text":"他就突然接到說"},{"start":625,"end":628,"text":"我這個違反醫療相關器材法規"},{"start":628,"end":632,"text":"所以他現在經過了快三個月"},{"start":632,"end":633,"text":"我剛才來的時候"},{"start":633,"end":634,"text":"我還跟他打個電話"},{"start":634,"end":635,"text":"講的話哭了"},{"start":635,"end":640,"text":"他說這個報關還跟他講得好嚴重"},{"start":640,"end":644,"text":"我才誤買了一個這個刷牙機"},{"start":644,"end":647,"text":"誤買成什麼鑽石的什麼的"},{"start":647,"end":649,"text":"鑽石這個零件的配件就對了"},{"start":649,"end":654,"text":"我竟然要被罰六萬到一百萬以下"},{"start":654,"end":656,"text":"他才花多少錢八千塊"},{"start":656,"end":658,"text":"然後還跟他講說你這個"},{"start":658,"end":659,"text":"因為違反"},{"start":659,"end":662,"text":"你沒有拿出你的醫療器材的許可證"},{"start":662,"end":664,"text":"所以你會有減掉"},{"start":664,"end":666,"text":"可能還有刑罰"},{"start":666,"end":668,"text":"他整個人都快崩潰了"},{"start":668,"end":672,"text":"所以你那種法規的那種預知"},{"start":672,"end":675,"text":"包括這個收費的轉嫁給我民眾"},{"start":675,"end":676,"text":"是極端不合理"},{"start":676,"end":678,"text":"好三個月希望能夠"},{"start":678,"end":680,"text":"希望能夠做一個調整"},{"start":680,"end":681,"text":"謝謝"},{"start":681,"end":682,"text":"好謝謝我們"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:09:34.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:09:40.500000+08:00","text":"有請關務署署長彭英偉彭署長。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-29T10:09:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:09:42.333333+08:00","text":"請彭署長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:09:44.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:09:47.500000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:09:49.217391+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:09:57.666667+08:00","text":"署長，將近3個月前我針對EZ WAY第一次質詢，今天再進行第二次的質詢。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:10:03+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:10:31.736842+08:00","text":"人民跨境網購的時後，我們的EZ WAY能不能做到事先告知購買的物品是否會觸及相關檢疫法規或是衛福部的衛生相關法規？","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:10:32.428571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:10:37.800000+08:00","text":"我希望民眾能夠事先知情，不知道現在的進度如何？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:10:38+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:11:02.500000+08:00","text":"跟委員回報，上次委員質詢後關務署立即做兩件事：第一，因為在邊境管制上有一些輸出入規定或需經許可的，這些都是屬於邊境其他輸出入主管機關，即所謂簽審機關的規定，我們立即與這些機關聯繫，請他們依照委員的意思，將需要提醒民眾的項目告知。","quality":0.876},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:11:03.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:11:16.900000+08:00","text":"我們做的第二件事情就是跟關貿網路公司聯繫，就是日後要依委員的指示，在民眾上網購物時需要有一個提示的功能。","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:11:17.533333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:11:27.750000+08:00","text":"目前兩項我們都已經在處理了，簽審機關已回復，以後大概有兩百七十幾項的項目會提醒民眾。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:11:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:11:46.500000+08:00","text":"好，你們將EZ WAY委給關貿網路公司，你認為到底EZ WAY這樣的通關便利程序，是不是屬於財政部下的通關法定程序呢？","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:11:47+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:12:08.833333+08:00","text":"跟委員回報，我們的通關程序指的是跟海關遞送報單等等，而民眾要不要委託報關行處理報關的事情，我們一向認為民眾與報關行之間的委任關係並不是通關行為。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:12:09+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:12:22.833333+08:00","text":"好，所以你認為EZ WAY對人民收費，不管是對報關業者、承攬業者，以及這些業者轉嫁給所有消費者，這些都是民間的事務，跟你沒有關係。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:12:23.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:12:44+08:00","text":"那本席要質疑了，第一個，你為了讓EZ WAY通關便利，今年2月修改法令，讓它要求大家網購時一律要用EZ WAY，因為現在沒有按下EZ WAY委任確認，網購就不能進來。誰？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:12:44.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:12:49.400000+08:00","text":"民間哪一個資訊業者可以有這樣的權力？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:12:50.222222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:12:51.777778+08:00","text":"政府給他賦權了。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:12:52.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:12:59.846154+08:00","text":"第二個，有關API的介接，誰有能力可以有API的介接？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:13:00+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:13:05.272727+08:00","text":"你們給予關貿公司權力，一般民間的資訊公司可不可以？沒有！","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:13:05.545455+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:13:07.454545+08:00","text":"你沒給它這個權力。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:13:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:13:14+08:00","text":"既然我沒有按下委任確認就不能通關，哇！","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:13:14.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:13:22.875000+08:00","text":"這茲事體大，是你們授權給它，但是你還認定EZ WAY是民間的，對此本席不能認同。","quality":0.657},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:13:24.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:13:40.764706+08:00","text":"我不能認同的原因是因為它亂收費，它現在收了兩筆，雖然你說這些都不是消費者，但不管是報關業者、承攬業者，全部都轉嫁給消費者喔！","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:13:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:14:02.785714+08:00","text":"第一筆，購物後必須有一項確認費，每件是3.5塊，不管是對報關行業或承攬業，我們就俗稱是報關的業者，每一件3.5塊就轉嫁給消費者。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:14:03+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:14:47.625000+08:00","text":"第二筆，業者溯源的確認費，我們希望在發貨的時候……包括亞馬遜或者國外的網路平臺，其實跟關貿網路公司的API都已經介接了，這些報稅業者或承攬業者如果要使用溯源的服務費，每個月都要繳給關貿公司2,500元，以後要確認的每一筆再加收每件0.8塊。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:14:48+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:14:59.714286+08:00","text":"所以有兩筆，一筆是確認費，購買之後要跟報稅相關業者收一筆確認費。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:15:00.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:15:14+08:00","text":"另一筆是API的溯源服務費，服務費又分兩筆，一個是每個月給關貿公司2,500元；另外是確認費，只要有經過這邊服務的每一筆再加0.8塊。哇！","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:15:14.705882+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:15:19.777778+08:00","text":"這些全部都轉嫁給所有消費者，你知道這量體有多大嗎？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:15:20+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:15:29.666667+08:00","text":"署長，你應該知道每一年……今年2026，請問2025年我們透過網購報關有多少件？","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:15:32+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:15:41.714286+08:00","text":"目前快遞貨物簡易報單是六千多萬件，民眾用EZ WAY申報大概占七成左右","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:15:41.714286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-29T10:15:45+08:00","text":"6,000萬嗎？對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:15:45+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:15:47.538462+08:00","text":"算6,000萬啦，甚至曾經有高達1億件喔。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:15:48.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:16:12.777778+08:00","text":"所以幾乎……不管6,000萬或是我了解的高達1億件的紀錄，不管，就用6,000萬就好，你知道剛才那些轉嫁費用，幾乎每一個業者大概一個月都要送給關貿公司一臺Benz，這些費用都是誰繳？","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:16:13+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:16:13.857143+08:00","text":"都是這些業者繳？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:16:14+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:16:16.750000+08:00","text":"不是，都是所有的消費者繳！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:16:18+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:16:28.615385+08:00","text":"這樣你還認定關貿網路公司的EZ WAY業務不是官方法定的通關嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:16:30.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:16:31.750000+08:00","text":"署長，你還說不是嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:16:32+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:16:34.769231+08:00","text":"這些費用它可以這樣亂收嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:16:36+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:16:41.666667+08:00","text":"所以我強力要求政府把這個權力收回，正式編預算。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:16:42+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:17:17.750000+08:00","text":"你憑什麼將科技進步帶來的通關便利外包給關貿公司，而關貿公司可以這樣……我收的費用我自己訂，全部轉嫁給業者，你還用公權力修法咧，你修的法可多了，你修了所有的通關細則、修了航運及空運兩個法的快遞相關辦法，還修了海關稅則相關，這樣還不是公權力？","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:17:19+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:17:20.666667+08:00","text":"署長你認不認同？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:17:22+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:17:22.800000+08:00","text":"跟委員回報，的確……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:17:23+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:17:25.769231+08:00","text":"要不要檢討收回由官方自己做？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:17:27.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:17:38.666667+08:00","text":"就算你要委託給它也可以，必須在官方委託下正式與它簽約、正式編預算，裡面的費用當然要管，署長認不認同？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:17:39+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:17:40.777778+08:00","text":"要不要檢討？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:17:41.222222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:17:53.769231+08:00","text":"關於十多年來採取這樣的制度，要改的話當然是重大政策的變更，如同剛剛委員所提，這還牽涉到如何編列預算等等的問題。","quality":0.745},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:17:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:17:58.583333+08:00","text":"你看到我們民眾白白多繳了多少錢？","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:17:59+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:18:02.200000+08:00","text":"十多年來多繳了多少錢給關貿公司？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:18:03.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:18:03.700000+08:00","text":"它賺爆了！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:18:05.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:18:14.769231+08:00","text":"關貿公司提供服務以及加值服務的相關收費，當然關貿公司都有付出相當的成本。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:18:15+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:18:21.750000+08:00","text":"的確如委員剛剛說的，目前有兩筆費用，一個是查詢費用，一個是確認費用。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:18:22.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:18:27.777778+08:00","text":"我們都有找關貿公司及相關業者來座談，業者提出這些問題也滿久了……","quality":0.724},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:18:28.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:18:34.666667+08:00","text":"署長，請你檢討，我強力要求EZ WAY收回公有，包括費用及溯源。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:18:35+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:18:51.764706+08:00","text":"我在網路平臺訂了一個包裹，發貨之前我就先確認，因為關貿公司早就有API介接了，只是它還把這個費用轉嫁給消費者。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:18:52.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:18:53.500000+08:00","text":"多久能提出檢討？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:18:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:18:57.777778+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這也不是只有關貿公司可以做，只要是通關網路公司都可以做。","quality":0.516},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:18:58+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:19:09.800000+08:00","text":"好，提出將EZ WAY通關系統回歸公共基礎建設的檢討，一個月內提供好嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:19:09.800000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-29T10:19:10.800000+08:00","text":"需要多久？","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:19:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:19:11.818182+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這涉及重大政策變更。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:19:13+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:19:15.166667+08:00","text":"當然是重大政策，要不然我為何在此質詢？","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:19:16.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:19:19.750000+08:00","text":"全臺灣所有網購一個月有6,000萬件吔！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:19:21.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:19:21.333333+08:00","text":"6,000萬吔！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:19:22+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:19:24.181818+08:00","text":"瞭解，委員所提的確是重大政策，因為是重大政策的變更所以……","quality":0.48},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:19:24.181818+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-29T10:19:25.181818+08:00","text":"你要多久？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:19:25.181818+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-29T10:19:26.181818+08:00","text":"黃金十年嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:19:24.363636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:19:25.818182+08:00","text":"請給我們三個月的時間研議，好嗎？","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:19:26+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:19:26.750000+08:00","text":"好，三個月。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:19:27+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:19:27.750000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:19:28.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:19:31.785714+08:00","text":"我再講一個案例，這是紮紮實實在我的辦公室陳情的案件。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:19:32.818182+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:20:05.666667+08:00","text":"民眾在網路上買了一個洗牙的鑽石零件，他本來要買洗牙機結果按錯了，沒有關係，但報關進來之後，並未顯示它會涉及相關醫療器材法規，所以零件進來了，然後這個媽媽突然接到說他違反醫療器材相關法規，現在經過了快3個月。","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:20:06+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:20:29.111111+08:00","text":"我剛才來的時候還跟他打過電話，他講到哭了，他說報關行跟他講得好嚴重，他才誤買了一個刷牙機的零件配件，竟然要被罰6萬到100萬以下，他才花多少錢？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:20:29.777778+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:20:41.777778+08:00","text":"8,000塊，然後還跟他說因為違法，他沒有拿出醫療器材許可證，所以會有檢調，可能還有刑罰，他整個人都快崩潰了。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員岱樺","start":"2026-07-29T10:20:42+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T10:20:54.500000+08:00","text":"所以你們那種法規的諭知，包括收費轉嫁給民眾極端不合理，希望三個月能夠做個調整。謝謝。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"彭署長英偉","start":"2026-07-29T10:20:55+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-29T10:20:56.142857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-29T10:20:56.442857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-29T10:21:00.442857+08:00","text":"謝謝，我們結束林岱樺委員的質詢。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-29T10:21:00.742857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-29T10:21:03.314286+08:00","text":"接下來請劉書彬委員。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":310,"blocks":[["林委員岱樺：（10時9分）有請關務署署長彭英偉彭署長。"],["主席：請彭署長。"],["彭署長英偉：委員好。"],["林委員岱樺：署長，將近3個月前我針對EZ WAY第一次質詢，今天再進行第二次的質詢。人民跨境網購的時後，我們的EZ WAY能不能做到事先告知購買的物品是否會觸及相關檢疫法規或是衛福部的衛生相關法規？我希望民眾能夠事先知情，不知道現在的進度如何？"],["彭署長英偉：跟委員回報，上次委員質詢後關務署立即做兩件事：第一，因為在邊境管制上有一些輸出入規定或需經許可的，這些都是屬於邊境其他輸出入主管機關，即所謂簽審機關的規定，我們立即與這些機關聯繫，請他們依照委員的意思，將需要提醒民眾的項目告知。我們做的第二件事情就是跟關貿網路公司聯繫，就是日後要依委員的指示，在民眾上網購物時需要有一個提示的功能。目前兩項我們都已經在處理了，簽審機關已回復，以後大概有兩百七十幾項的項目會提醒民眾。"],["林委員岱樺：好，你們將EZ WAY委給關貿網路公司，你認為到底EZ WAY這樣的通關便利程序，是不是屬於財政部下的通關法定程序呢？"],["彭署長英偉：跟委員回報，我們的通關程序指的是跟海關遞送報單等等，而民眾要不要委託報關行處理報關的事情，我們一向認為民眾與報關行之間的委任關係並不是通關行為。"],["林委員岱樺：好，所以你認為EZ WAY對人民收費，不管是對報關業者、承攬業者，以及這些業者轉嫁給所有消費者，這些都是民間的事務，跟你沒有關係。那本席要質疑了，第一個，你為了讓EZ WAY通關便利，今年2月修改法令，讓它要求大家網購時一律要用EZ WAY，因為現在沒有按下EZ WAY委任確認，網購就不能進來。誰？民間哪一個資訊業者可以有這樣的權力？政府給他賦權了。第二個，有關API的介接，誰有能力可以有API的介接？你們給予關貿公司權力，一般民間的資訊公司可不可以？沒有！你沒給它這個權力。既然我沒有按下委任確認就不能通關，哇！這茲事體大，是你們授權給它，但是你還認定EZ WAY是民間的，對此本席不能認同。","我不能認同的原因是因為它亂收費，它現在收了兩筆，雖然你說這些都不是消費者，但不管是報關業者、承攬業者，全部都轉嫁給消費者喔！第一筆，購物後必須有一項確認費，每件是3.5塊，不管是對報關行業或承攬業，我們就俗稱是報關的業者，每一件3.5塊就轉嫁給消費者。第二筆，業者溯源的確認費，我們希望在發貨的時候……包括亞馬遜或者國外的網路平臺，其實跟關貿網路公司的API都已經介接了，這些報稅業者或承攬業者如果要使用溯源的服務費，每個月都要繳給關貿公司2,500元，以後要確認的每一筆再加收每件0.8塊。","所以有兩筆，一筆是確認費，購買之後要跟報稅相關業者收一筆確認費。另一筆是API的溯源服務費，服務費又分兩筆，一個是每個月給關貿公司2,500元；另外是確認費，只要有經過這邊服務的每一筆再加0.8塊。哇！這些全部都轉嫁給所有消費者，你知道這量體有多大嗎？署長，你應該知道每一年……今年2026，請問2025年我們透過網購報關有多少件？"],["彭署長英偉：目前快遞貨物簡易報單是六千多萬件，民眾用EZ WAY申報大概占七成左右"],["林委員岱樺：6,000萬嗎？"],["彭署長英偉：對。"],["林委員岱樺：算6,000萬啦，甚至曾經有高達1億件喔。所以幾乎……不管6,000萬或是我了解的高達1億件的紀錄，不管，就用6,000萬就好，你知道剛才那些轉嫁費用，幾乎每一個業者大概一個月都要送給關貿公司一臺Benz，這些費用都是誰繳？都是這些業者繳？不是，都是所有的消費者繳！這樣你還認定關貿網路公司的EZ WAY業務不是官方法定的通關嗎？署長，你還說不是嗎？這些費用它可以這樣亂收嗎？所以我強力要求政府把這個權力收回，正式編預算。你憑什麼將科技進步帶來的通關便利外包給關貿公司，而關貿公司可以這樣……我收的費用我自己訂，全部轉嫁給業者，你還用公權力修法咧，你修的法可多了，你修了所有的通關細則、修了航運及空運兩個法的快遞相關辦法，還修了海關稅則相關，這樣還不是公權力？署長你認不認同？"],["彭署長英偉：跟委員回報，的確……"],["林委員岱樺：要不要檢討收回由官方自己做？就算你要委託給它也可以，必須在官方委託下正式與它簽約、正式編預算，裡面的費用當然要管，署長認不認同？要不要檢討？"],["彭署長英偉：關於十多年來採取這樣的制度，要改的話當然是重大政策的變更，如同剛剛委員所提，這還牽涉到如何編列預算等等的問題。"],["林委員岱樺：你看到我們民眾白白多繳了多少錢？十多年來多繳了多少錢給關貿公司？它賺爆了！"],["彭署長英偉：關貿公司提供服務以及加值服務的相關收費，當然關貿公司都有付出相當的成本。的確如委員剛剛說的，目前有兩筆費用，一個是查詢費用，一個是確認費用。我們都有找關貿公司及相關業者來座談，業者提出這些問題也滿久了……"],["林委員岱樺：署長，請你檢討，我強力要求EZ WAY收回公有，包括費用及溯源。我在網路平臺訂了一個包裹，發貨之前我就先確認，因為關貿公司早就有API介接了，只是它還把這個費用轉嫁給消費者。多久能提出檢討？"],["彭署長英偉：跟委員報告，這也不是只有關貿公司可以做，只要是通關網路公司都可以做。"],["林委員岱樺：好，提出將EZ WAY通關系統回歸公共基礎建設的檢討，一個月內提供好嗎？需要多久？"],["彭署長英偉：跟委員報告，這涉及重大政策變更。"],["林委員岱樺：當然是重大政策，要不然我為何在此質詢？全臺灣所有網購一個月有6,000萬件吔！6,000萬吔！"],["彭署長英偉：瞭解，委員所提的確是重大政策，因為是重大政策的變更所以……"],["林委員岱樺：你要多久？黃金十年嗎？"],["彭署長英偉：請給我們三個月的時間研議，好嗎？"],["林委員岱樺：好，三個月。"],["彭署長英偉：謝謝委員。"],["林委員岱樺：我再講一個案例，這是紮紮實實在我的辦公室陳情的案件。民眾在網路上買了一個洗牙的鑽石零件，他本來要買洗牙機結果按錯了，沒有關係，但報關進來之後，並未顯示它會涉及相關醫療器材法規，所以零件進來了，然後這個媽媽突然接到說他違反醫療器材相關法規，現在經過了快3個月。我剛才來的時候還跟他打過電話，他講到哭了，他說報關行跟他講得好嚴重，他才誤買了一個刷牙機的零件配件，竟然要被罰6萬到100萬以下，他才花多少錢？8,000塊，然後還跟他說因為違法，他沒有拿出醫療器材許可證，所以會有檢調，可能還有刑罰，他整個人都快崩潰了。所以你們那種法規的諭知，包括收費轉嫁給民眾極端不合理，希望三個月能夠做個調整。謝謝。"],["彭署長英偉：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝，我們結束林岱樺委員的質詢。","接下來請劉書彬委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":254,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-20-24","speakers":["李彥秀","賴士葆","林德福","吳秉叡","郭國文","賴惠員","林岱樺","劉書彬","李坤城","林思銘","顏寬恒","王世堅","許忠信","陳玉珍","羅明才","楊瓊瓔"],"page_start":207,"meetingDate":["2026-07-29"],"gazette_id":"1156801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1156801_00008"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期財政委員會第24次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"審查本院委員王世堅等17人、委員呂玉玲等16人、委員葉元之等17人、委員黃健豪等18人、委員\n黃健豪等19人、委員賴士葆等18人、委員李彥秀等20人分別擬具「海關進口稅則部分稅則修正草\n案」等7案（詢答）","agenda_id":"1156801_00012"}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}