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很棒接下來就是要提到您一上任以後因為您過去也是非常優秀非常傑出為國爭光的選手所以針對卓中泰院長也提到說我們的單項委員會叫做特定體育團體要做一些改革所以我們也把過去"},{"start":2511.246,"end":2540.354,"text":"运动部推出了运动员委员会的改革方案把过去运动员委员会由理事长推进要改成现役运动员选举的方案那这个本席也觉得不错那我们可以听听现役运动员的心声但上一次这本席在这里跟这个郑世忠次长在答的时候是说我们的选手会有这样的心力这样的时间来做这样的参与吗那您过去是选手我希望您今天以您过去的这个实际的经验来回答一下那同时还有一个问题就是说如果"},{"start":2540.974,"end":2560.867,"text":"真的有選手可以投入的話可是根據運動部運動員委員會組織檢責範本規定也就是說我們相關的決議都一定還要送理事長同意那事實上如果是這樣的話我們的主導權其實還是在單項協會理事長的手上並沒有達到您想要改革的一個目標所以針對這兩點能不能說明"},{"start":2562.945,"end":2588.642,"text":"跟委員您報告那身為運動員我認為其實有非常運動員關心自己的運動權益所以我認為這部分第一個部分的話我相信有很多運動員會願意來參與的對不起我打斷一下後面可以不要干擾部長嗎好不好你們部長其實你要相信他他是可以答的好不好你這樣反而會干擾他謝謝委員你們太保護他了你要相信你們的部長謝謝委員剛剛講了我身為運動員其實有"},{"start":2591.684,"end":2614.77,"text":"我们有发现非常多的运动员愿意来发声来去做这些那过往其实很多运动员其实没有发声的那种管道所以在如同我刚刚口头报告我们建制了部长信箱而且运动部长所以您跟这些就是选手也有沟通过他们是有这个想法有这个心力也会有这个时间可以来配合投入这样的一个改变"},{"start":2614.77,"end":2642.021,"text":"委員跟您報告那它的時間是由運動員委員會這些委員自己選出的時間所以如果以我們羽球為例我們大部分時間在比賽好那至於本席剛剛所說的就是說那即便如此其實我們相關決議出來以後你還是要送理事長同意以後才能實施所以我們所有的主導權還是在單向委員會的理事長手上不是嗎運動部同時會在開會的時候會有運動部的同仁與會所以同時我們也會受到那理事長如果堅持不同意呢"},{"start":2642.421,"end":2662.037,"text":"那我們會敬請協會督促辦理協會督促理事長我們督促協會辦理你們督促協會但協會的這個領導還是理事長啊我們與會會有運動部的同仁所以他會知道這些訓練所以他是勸說他還是有實際的這個權利可以要求他我會請他積極去處理這個"},{"start":2663.48,"end":2688.863,"text":"對好部長我想本席今天提出來你回去思考一下如果說我們是勸說他道德勸說或者是說跟他分析跟他溝通這效率是不大的所以部長我覺得這一點回去想一想會後找一個時間我想把這個報告一下好不好再來很重要的非常重要運動部從9月掛牌到現在已經兩個多月的時間了但是我們看到人力嚴重的吃緊"},{"start":2690.185,"end":2703.72,"text":"你看行政院合订给运动部的预算余额在114年286个人目前只有188个人所以我们还有98个缺额我们全民运动署合订的余额是101人"},{"start":2704.901,"end":2719.517,"text":"目前到任也只有35人所以我們不足還有66人這個100多個人164個缺額其實真的是非常非常的多然後我們從運動部的官網上面看到有 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谢谢我们好 最后一个我跟赵有一两分钟的时间最近其实部长您真的很忙为什么我们看到运动部最近要跟外交部合作对不对对林佳龙部长要跟部长您合作其实我看到几个第一个我们跟文化部合作远洋合作其实本席觉得还不错文化币 运动币合在一块让我们的年轻人既可以做文化活动又可以运动本席这次看到外交部这个"},{"start":2882.358,"end":2911.285,"text":"合作 我覺得也不錯因為呢 我們是有一個計畫這兩個部要協力推動太平洋三永幫運動人才培育計畫透過派遣教練的這個協訓一地訓練等等讓大家透過運動外交的投資運動外交的交流可以讓大家共好那也可以讓外交的這個更往外推展一步那所以我覺得這個還不錯不過我想請教一下我們這個計畫那這個預算是要由運動部來編還是外交部來編"},{"start":2912.245,"end":2924.826,"text":"這部分我們還有與外交部正在積極的洽詢那其實最主要的部分我們現在作為外交部的合作我們會作為明年亞運還有與友邦的這個我知道所以現在那個預算還不知道編在哪裡是嗎"},{"start":2927.309,"end":2942.623,"text":"兩邊都有編預算兩邊都有編預算好那我們審查預算再來講不過本席看到一個比較特別的最近環境部也找你了對部長他們覺得自己很忙因為您真的自帶流量又有這麼大的影響力"},{"start":2943.404,"end":2971.678,"text":"因為本席樂見各部會找你一起來大家推動政務我覺得這都是好事啦但是必須要知道您看到你的本業務其實本部業務就這麼忙這麼多事情要做那如果說有其他的事情本席也很擔心會耽誤到你在執行運動部上面很多業務的時程那按照你原來來的初衷跟理想有好多事要做那你看連環境部都來環境部要做什麼環境跟環保活力永續"},{"start":2972.819,"end":2986.941,"text":"你們簽合作備忘錄欸對本席從來沒看過這個部跟部之間簽合作備忘錄欸這個行政一體不就是大家要合作嗎為什麼去簽了合作備忘錄啊是誰怕誰不在這個位置上嗎"},{"start":2988.348,"end":3006.974,"text":"他們來找你說怎麼說的我們希望運動賽事跟環保可以有更加精進的作為例如說我們的保特瓶還有可以從我們運動部可以更加的無紙化好 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所以我要講說你有人去了是不是還沒還沒因為就在忙業務對 準備要去要去跟他們講後續會去那針對大谷祥平這種明星球員你覺得運動部可以給予哪些方面的技術指導或者是科研還是怎麼樣"},{"start":5515.373,"end":5535.904,"text":"我們國訓運科中心有科技的研發但能不能讓大谷祥平也進入到那這個應該有待商議有待商議因為大谷祥平是比較特殊的運動員可是我看媒體報導已經有很多方面的訊息出來比如說大谷祥平好像比較怕左投"},{"start":5537.117,"end":5561.004,"text":"所以其實大家有在做研究啦可能部長你再關心一下啦也許就是你太緊張了好 謝謝委員再關心 因為這個也是國人關心的然後另外一個就是我們也擔心基層棒球因為中國大陸要成立城市棒球的聯盟嘛那他們這一次棒球他是用城市來做單位所以很多人就會想說他可能他金援會比較充足"},{"start":5561.69,"end":5583.865,"text":"然後也要結合他們的一些文化推廣甚至於就是有開出好像我聽說是有17萬台幣的薪水去挖角我們這邊的訓練員所以連訓練員都可以出17萬的話代表他可能可以開更高的價格去挖角我們像教練或者是棒球員等等如果我們整個"},{"start":5584.665,"end":5613.349,"text":"那麼多的從教練棒球員到訓練員營養師裁判很多被挖角過去的話他影響的不是我們的競技項目而已他可能會影響到我們基層棒球那有關於這一塊我運動部有做什麼因應的策略嗎後續我們在規劃這個我覺得這個職業棒球職業化的任何運動我們還是希望說將我們自身的環境打造的更加好我知道那個部長講的比較抽象一點我是說因為我問得蠻具體的嘛"},{"start":5613.609,"end":5633.644,"text":"就是說針對中國大陸開始要發展棒球要挖角我們的不是只有球員那您現在有開始注意到這個議題嗎有那請問有做哪些因應的策略嗎這部分我們有做跟業務單位去進行會議然後去了解我們運動部能夠給予怎樣的所以只是在了解還打不出來就對了"},{"start":5634.431,"end":5653.974,"text":"目前還有沒關係 這個我不為難你啦但是因為我剛剛問了很多問題其實都沒有回答都沒有回答那是不是事後可以請你們提供報告給我好 會後我們再提供報告再來就是我想問一下有關於這個皮克球的問題啦我看部長你平常也有打皮克球嘛"},{"start":5654.844,"end":5672.232,"text":"有打過幾次打過幾次三到四次那皮克球有些人陌生但實際上他在美國運動協會運動產業協會是評估是成長最快速的運動之一那可以把它想像成說就在羽毛球場上打桌球"},{"start":5673.252,"end":5691.252,"text":"它的好處就是它的強度沒有像網球這麼激烈所以蠻適合全民運動運動部其中有一個業務就是要推廣全民運動沒錯吧 對不對對所以我覺得那個運動部應該要花點資源在皮克球上面而且它可以做到例如說親營共"},{"start":5692.774,"end":5706.128,"text":"共榮就是長輩也可以打然後年輕人也很喜歡大家可以來一起打不只是運動之外還可以社交但是現在皮克球遇到的問題部長你知道遇到的問題最大如果要推廣的話問題在哪嗎"},{"start":5708.564,"end":5729.867,"text":"我們當然場地主要就是場地我以新北市為例新北市現在就是找比較使用率低的籃球場把它改造成皮克球場但這也需要很多經費你如果要另外興建的話要更多經費所以初步來講是以舊有的其他球場的活化為主"},{"start":5730.387,"end":5757.967,"text":"所以我希望說運動部可以在皮克球這個球場的預算經費方面可以多多補助地方政府因為做這個事情其實符合運動部的目標運動部有一個重要業務我看你的報告就是全民運動那這部分我不知道部長你們今年編的多少預算在皮克球場的補助這部分我們也有編預算在明年的部分會有縣市政府來申請設施上面的大概多少錢"},{"start":5758.991,"end":5784.265,"text":"大概多少好 沒關係沒關係好 沒關係這個您也是給我們一個報告好不好好 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媒體有時候寫的都不少還好你有機會澄清第三行這樣的紓壓不然我本來覺得蠻勵志的就是打電動後來去可以後來拿到羽球的奧運金牌的"},{"start":5925.913,"end":5941.743,"text":"我會講電競主要談兩件事情第一件事情是像電競啊比如像街舞啊或者是什麼衝浪啊這些其實現在國際的競技賽事有個趨勢就是年輕人喜歡的好像都有可能會成為國際賽事的項目之一"},{"start":5942.663,"end":5970.081,"text":"但是他的人才的尋找好像和一般以前從學校養成的人才不太一樣所以第一塊就是有關於人才我們可以預想到說哪些項目有可能會被列為運動項目在人才的尋找上面我覺得運動部要先去思考一下怎麼去跟比如說一些俱樂部一些職業聯盟或一些社團去做接軌第二件事情是針對電競電競其實"},{"start":5973.183,"end":5993.836,"text":"電競的退休就是比賽完之後退役的選手其實有一個很大的問題可能像部長部長您是也是算運動員退役下來但是您的發展就是應該算最好的啦可以之一啦當到運動部部長但是第一個電競選手他們退下來之後他們去處第二個是他們很容易有職業傷害因為經過"},{"start":5997.169,"end":6023.467,"text":"有一些調查發現他們25歲退下來之後因為長期一直用手指然後一直坐著然後一直看螢幕所以視力受損然後有時候會脊椎問題然後手指關節會有問題那這一塊運動部有沒有針對像電競選手他們退役下來比如說有關於身體這一塊或者是職業這一塊有特別的有哪一方面規劃跟照顧嗎跟委員報告那後續我們會就這一塊去做規劃"},{"start":6024.824,"end":6030.065,"text":"後續所以現在還沒有目前這一塊應該在電競選手的退役應該還沒有"},{"start":6031.479,"end":6055.136,"text":"因為你一定就是大家會投入這個產業或者是這個單項一定是思考說會想到之後嘛會想到之後你之後越完善可以吸引到更多人才願意投入所以事後 之後的保障我覺得也是蠻重要的它對於吸引人才是蠻關鍵的有 我們會重視這一塊那因為我剛剛因為不管第一來啦就是其實可能業務還沒有那麼熟但是 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周天成 戴思穎等等的偷偷都在有這些的這些金牌還包括是拳擊 空手道等都獲得這邊那闊闊國光獎金還可以達到最多到2000萬的這樣的一個獎金我們也看到是在有國光"},{"start":7163.679,"end":7190.295,"text":"體育獎章包括運動部有所謂運動發展基金這邊做選手的培育這些對特別是有優秀的潛力的運動選手都做這些到90萬到2000萬的這種獎勵金那現在最重要的我們包括是想跟你講還有包括是這些看起來洋洋灑灑國光獎章 獎助群選手輔導計畫還有基優選導的轉型等等包括更重要是他們如果退役之後包括像您也是在幾次退役的"},{"start":7191.315,"end":7200.283,"text":"那包括還有運動選手的就業的部分那您很好事就是竟然也是做到一個運動的部長這是非常好事情但是您自己在"},{"start":7202.136,"end":7227.583,"text":"剛剛就任運動部長的時候也出現到說黃金計畫有問題自挑腰包你自己都還自挑腰包去補助的其他選手包括六名的羽球選手這個部分黃金計畫這邊在你上任之後有沒有特別的在針對肌肉的選手這邊有些輔導的措施當然我這句再混的是說也請部長去談談你真實的訓練成本跟政府補助當中的差距是多少"},{"start":7229.284,"end":7247.835,"text":"第一個黃金計畫有沒有針對這些部分處理然後再來就是您的心裡的感想跟委員您報告那黃金計畫的部分在自掏腰包剛剛講的黃金計畫我認為其實就像剛剛張委員所講的其實黃金計畫的宗旨是為我們的奧運奪牌那當然"},{"start":7249.656,"end":7263.724,"text":"現在現行的有五六級的部分那後續我們都會一併在黃金計畫跟淺優計畫的部分一併去進行盤整跟全面性的改良那我自掏料包的部分我認為說現行有很多優秀的選手"},{"start":7265.444,"end":7288.135,"text":"他的訓練態度與比賽態度值得我讚賞那我自掏腰包這是我個人的行為那當然我很感謝說過往我也遇到不管是國家的栽培還有身邊教練老師等等的貴人的資助那我希望說以好 很好因為看起來是不過你是獎勵的行為是你用個人去獎勵其實也代表說可能國家的還是不夠但是你個人的親善是好事情"},{"start":7288.835,"end":7315.244,"text":"那對於你真實的成本你自己的訓練你自己的經驗來看怎麼樣跟政府補助的差距你覺得政府補助是夠嗎如果在第一級的話是前三級的選手我認為是蠻夠的但是這接受性是大概有成名的嘛對不對那是後面你剛才說五六級對不對對因為黃金計畫的宗旨就是為我們奧運多盼對所以這邊對五六級的備備我想部長你也知道因為我們需要新生代這邊就請你承諾是不是繼續再加強這個部分後續我們會"},{"start":7315.584,"end":7342.897,"text":"會做這部分這個年齡層的規劃我們會希望說能夠再讓整個的支持運動選手的部分有更全面性的培育那包括就業的部分因為總統府的公報都呈現了這個改善計畫這邊對於退休後的生活照顧制度的這個改善計畫是不是能夠在一個月時間提出這個改善計畫給本席呢國訓中心這邊有一個退役選手轉任教練的一個計畫那目前人數應該"},{"start":7344.67,"end":7360.275,"text":"好 那就事後再給好了好不好已經有了這個計畫因為在今年的時候我都看到總統府的公報都呈現這樣的新聞老師總統都注意到了好 那另外一個很重要的情況是在於說你本身也是奧運的選手 金牌的我們看看你在2021年在東京奧運得獎之後"},{"start":7363.436,"end":7378.148,"text":"那時候林楊沛就台北市捷運局就開發了一個悠遊卡那也跟柯市長視訊但是在網路上面就出現到按不下去王麒麟他還出來解釋是什麼理由我們後來又看到在去年2024的時候看到你的好搭檔王麒麟他剛好穿著一個K跟P的外套在這邊"},{"start":7387.396,"end":7405.441,"text":"結果又再次被出征他說 我還以為小草在現這種情況我們看到的是台藝有必須看到 繼續再看到的是去年因為要打防炸 要防堵那這個職棒跟職燃的球員工會他們主動就是整個陳勤幹也是在運動產業發展條例的修法公聽會上他們就出席了"},{"start":7411.843,"end":7439.958,"text":"那這個過程當中看到是前球員的工會理事長周思齊還做了這個跟本黨的王國光委員他就是在合照結果這個合照一出去之後這次公開行程就叫側翼出征網軍就嗜血的這樣一個批評那好在大家看到耳熟能詳是看到右邊其實還有一位是更可能目前更有名的是陳潔憲可是那時候是去年發生7月陳潔憲的出名是在去年的12月"},{"start":7440.778,"end":7466.096,"text":"那這個部分我們想要特別強調的是說請問部長啊體育運動選手跟政治的關係分際怎麼拿是不是您作為運動部的部長升格之後你再對說先說一下你的運動跟政治的關係你的看法是怎麼樣我認為我們身為運動員來講的話我們當然希望為我們國家爭取榮耀那當然我們也希望所有的我們所謂的國民能夠支持我們的運動員"},{"start":7467.935,"end":7494.483,"text":"支持運動員那具體的方式呢你是不是在這邊我認為運動員身為運動員來講我在巴黎奧運之前確實也遭受了許多的網友的攻擊但我認為那時候大家也普遍不認為我們可以繼續奪得奧運的金牌那我相信這後來我們都後續化為力量來去站在賽場上那我希望說這部分我們還是當然我們後續還是會去進行運動員的關懷以及照顧"},{"start":7496.664,"end":7521.12,"text":"好這部分您所呈現出來的一個立場我希望說你當然再重申說你願意提升而出就是確認運動員國手的價值應該大於他的政治立場這些部分因為剛才我整個撲神起來就是說國家培育一個選手尤其要進入到奧運的選手的甚至要奪盤的選手真的很不容易幾千萬好幾年下來所以這部分呢您要確定你的立場同意嗎"},{"start":7522.079,"end":7530.537,"text":"我同意我們國家的運動員應該要代表我們國家去爭取最高榮耀最高榮耀所以其他的干擾事實上這些是不應該的是吧"},{"start":7532.579,"end":7561.144,"text":"我们希望运动员能够在不被干扰的环境下努力去为国争光好 谢谢 非常好那我们刚刚有一些政大正义的部分就看到的是在2022年的时候冬季奥运的竞速滑冰选手黄玉婷因为在私人的这个练习的时候穿上了一个中国队的练习衣包括就后来被收回补助可是她之前的时候在当时的在美美的各项比赛中拿到冠军这样很好的资格可以看到有这么多的这个争先赛中都有冠军的这样子的情况"},{"start":7561.784,"end":7586.849,"text":"可是看到他後來因為發生這件事情之後被傳就傳上去了啦他自己傳上去但是他被呈現出來的是把收回補助的結果他結果呢他到後來是根本在整個24個人的最優先的全球最優先的24個人的選手名單當中呢就比賽選手當中他事實上變成最後一名這部分承受了非常大的壓力啦後來他就宣布退役了啦那這個地方我就要問問的是"},{"start":7589.79,"end":7600.062,"text":"部長對於這件事情如果未來還在發生這種事情尤其是我們看到運動場上各國選手他們交換他們的布品等等系中品如果再發生類似的情形運動部應該如何來因應"},{"start":7603.533,"end":7619.683,"text":"我认为这部分的话我们当然在会希望说后续有规范选手言行我认为国家支持的所有运动员当然要注重他的所有的言行举止那所有的运动员为我们台湾出征国际赛事他其实就是我们台湾的代言人"},{"start":7620.67,"end":7643.822,"text":"對好這邊也把你的份記抓清楚了好謝謝所以我們也甚至有話跟大家講國際奧會憲章的第六條就講說的運動員的尊嚴應該大於國家的尊嚴你剛才有的意思還在存在的時候是國家的尊嚴這部分國家尊嚴的確是我想當然這邊事先的溝通協調在這邊奧會的部分因為有些在難民的部分甚至俄羅斯他後來並因為出進"},{"start":7646.943,"end":7663.553,"text":"就是跟烏克蘭的戰士當中呢他被除名但是他事實上還可以用所謂的俄羅斯的就是ROC的這樣的一個團隊你也知道嘛所以運動員他即使沒有國家的一個代表性但是他本身還可以組成運動員因為這是國家是全人類的一個效果存在著同意吧"},{"start":7664.534,"end":7681.779,"text":"我認為俄羅斯的確實最後還是有選手參與奧運我認為這是一個很棒的案例這個就是國際二號會憲章所宣傳宣譯宣傳的意思在於運動員的尊嚴大於國家的尊嚴的意思在所以它含有人格尊嚴跟言論及執行自由的部分"},{"start":7682.219,"end":7698.384,"text":"那最後的部分呢還有一個問題在於說運動部9月9號升格之後呢就出現到是跟教育部在體育的資源上面有些不同那因為有涉及到的是全民運動跟開放效應在您的這個業務報告當中也提到了"},{"start":7699.544,"end":7725.654,"text":"可是像我昨天到宜蘭去做一個協調會的時候發現到宜蘭的這個學校裡面因為特別的它的這個雨量特別的多這部分產生的漏水或排水現象很多的問題那現在想要問的是運動部對於教育部在於說學校運動場地它如果是使用全民運動的或是在競技項目的修繕有沒有什麼分攤的原則大原則是我們會補助棒球跟足球的部分"},{"start":7726.505,"end":7744.502,"text":"只有棒球跟足球部分嗎專項的部分專技競技競戰只有棒球跟足球的部分嗎專技運動我們還有基層訓練戰對 好可是我們昨天在教宜蘭的時候我們聽到一個很重要的事包括柔道的部分還包括那你們要說的全民運動的部分那個"},{"start":7745.868,"end":7764.406,"text":"房署長你這邊想到全民運動部門如果開放到校園的情況他們壞掉了那個操場上面竟然不是用PVPU的這個場子而是用什麼而是用人工草皮的把它放上去這樣的情況下我認為這事實上是合理的嗎房署長或是部長說一下"},{"start":7766.266,"end":7788.668,"text":"全民運動的部分當然希望推展全民運動是在合乎安全跟標準的場地上面來推展對 但是學校現在就經費不足因為我們現在要解決學校裡面他不願意開放的一些種種的一些原因包括有一些包括夜間照明或者是微網或者是有一些人力消耗性器材這個部分我們會來整個盤點學校不願意開放的包括法規的問題"},{"start":7789.669,"end":7805.979,"text":"那個可能會有被說土地這部分我們都會跟各縣市政府教育局這邊來做一個盤點處理所以這個地方我想是不是可以部長你也請說因為房署長也說了這部分是不是可以跟教育部就是原來在體育署這邊所負擔的業務但是現在遇到運動部這邊的話因為你們剛剛說的全民運動的部分署長說了部長你也應該同意是在於全民都應該在如果他進入到這個學校裡面的運動的話他盯著場地是要安全的這部分但是因為"},{"start":7818.587,"end":7841.859,"text":"你們兩個部會就是你也看到說你常常在參加的是跨部會的會議對不對沒錯這個部分請把重點跟教育部做一個是不是對學校競技場地或是在全民運動開放的這些場地的修繕時程確定3到5年可以做分期修復的部分是不是可以做一個清單確定大概是什麼原則在這個清單的部分把它列出來類似什麼類似大家弄清楚"},{"start":7842.239,"end":7854.396,"text":"後續我們會做輕重緩急的部分去做一個規劃對 那是不是可以在年底提出一個正式清單跟書面報告給本席時間上面可以三個月嗎三個月到明年二月嗎"},{"start":7855.656,"end":7873.556,"text":"盤點 因為要盤點全部的然後會有輕重緩急每一個長期不太一樣我實際上表示說可能從9月到現在來可能盤點速度還不夠快但是我覺得或是說需要做因為這是非常重要的我們看到了很多的國民眾他就到校園裡面去做但是他可能設備的這種老舊甚至是破損他會受傷甚至我們都還變成國賠"},{"start":7875.357,"end":7893.468,"text":"這事實上非常小可 但是經費的確不過就大家都是我們國民的事情跟教育部跟運動部的部分的經費就一定要合作了可以承諾嗎我們會來幫助三個月三個月提出這樣的一個修繕時程或是清單這部分好 OK 好 謝謝部長謝謝委員好 現在休息五分鐘"},{"start":7914.056,"end":7916.278,"text":"谢谢观看"},{"start":7948.507,"end":7956.419,"text":"感谢观看"},{"start":7974.723,"end":7978.366,"text":"谢谢大家"},{"start":7994.901,"end":8015.871,"text":"請不吝点赞 订阅 转发 打赏支持明镜与点点栏目"},{"start":8017.613,"end":8017.893,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":8037.432,"end":8056.147,"text":"好,我們來看看這張圖片的效果"},{"start":8072.836,"end":8085.021,"text":"謝謝大家"},{"start":8098.181,"end":8114.715,"text":"嗯嗯"},{"start":8118.677,"end":8145.792,"text":"這張圖是在2014年,是在2014年,是在2014年,是在2014年,是在2014年,是在2014年,"},{"start":8149.174,"end":8173.245,"text":"這張圖片是在2012年10月1日拍攝的。這張圖片是在2012年10月1日拍攝的。"},{"start":8177.5,"end":8180.725,"text":"響鐘"},{"start":8191.716,"end":8201.019,"text":"一般是會以偏稍微 偏稍微 稍微稍微"},{"start":8251.479,"end":8256.542,"text":"好我們會議繼續進行請羅廷維委員質詢好謝謝昭緯有請部長有請李部長"},{"start":8272.401,"end":8292.782,"text":"好部長好 部長本期先感謝運動部跟國訓中心專案報告諮詢後的確有立即的去協調讓亞運的電競項目順利的定案目前全部的參賽項目包括我們後面要追蹤追加的這個比賽項目都已經確認OK"},{"start":8294.223,"end":8315.996,"text":"並預計下月初要公告明年1月正式啟動培訓這就是選手最需要的一個進度本席肯定回應的速度但是也希望後續能夠繼續維持這樣子的一個效率讓選手能夠安心的備戰然而在單一賽事的一個行政協調只是短期的工作我們現在要來談談討是整個長期"},{"start":8319.497,"end":8346.786,"text":"電競我們的一個發展台灣的電競制度這樣子的一個道路上人許多有這樣子的結構問題需要部裡能夠真正的重視整個行政院裡面所有的部會首長我看來只有你一個人會玩英雄聯盟對吧跟委員報告我有玩我不確定其他部長們有沒有玩我不相信卓榮泰會玩"},{"start":8347.984,"end":8366.837,"text":"我不相信林佳龍會玩傳說對決英雄聯盟我不相信顧立雄會玩所以我只相信你會玩那你會玩你就要好好的重視電競好不好我們今天可以嚴肅但是放輕鬆好不好"},{"start":8368.223,"end":8389.511,"text":"根据2025年全球电竞的市场报告电竞市场规模预估到2029年将达63.6亿美元年复合成长率达到20.5%电竞已经从娱乐延伸到结合科技文化运动精神的一个跨产业的一个整个领域"},{"start":8390.231,"end":8411.339,"text":"各國紛紛都將電競納入到政策國家數位戰略的裡面台灣的電競發展走得非常的快走得非常的早我們是亞洲最早發展電競國家的之一我們從現在的星海爭霸冠軍"},{"start":8414.035,"end":8441.18,"text":"到亞運銀牌選手都是推動台灣電競制度化專業化的關鍵人物有他們才讓我們知道我們應該要重視2008年成立了TESL2010年職業聯賽我們登上電視轉播2012年我們還有TPA英雄聯盟奪下世界冠軍這些里程碑都證明台灣擁有深厚的基礎"},{"start":8442.895,"end":8462.4,"text":"然而我們的國際競爭力到現在我們擁有這麼好的一個開場我們出登板這麼的榮耀到了2017年我們電子競技正式納入運動產業發展條例主管機關明確的歸屬在教育部體育署"},{"start":8463.294,"end":8487.312,"text":"就是现在的运动部但是现在我们看到我们应该站在电竞迈向制度化起点但是纳入管理八年了教育看不到我们整个教育部的重视产业反而陷入了自生自灭的困境去年英雄联盟世界赛的时候就有媒体问我"},{"start":8488.444,"end":8503.579,"text":"我當時比喻台灣電競已經住進了家務病房我要鄭重道歉我講太快了不是家務病房是安寧病房安寧病房"},{"start":8505.342,"end":8531.863,"text":"為什麼我會這樣說選手靠熱情在支持啊戰隊在靠募資在生存啊比賽只能靠企業在贊助啊國家呢國家呢國家呢國家缺乏了長期的藍圖穩定的預算跟跨部會的整合機制啊導致整個產業在整個全球的競爭當中沒有隊友沒有靠山"},{"start":8533.123,"end":8558.524,"text":"才會迫使整個電競走進了安寧病房反觀韓國日本韓國能培育出年收入上億的選手我去韓國那個Faker到處都他的廣告日本能靠政府協助打通產業教育運動而台灣的選手呢要自己找場地要自己募金費打比賽"},{"start":8560.031,"end":8588.007,"text":"我們的電競產業發展幾乎完全仰賴民間自生自滅所以今年國際奧委會也宣布2027年要舉辦第一屆他原本宣布啦但是近期傳出沙烏地阿拉伯談判方有破局但無論如何我先問你一句話回答我你覺得電競會不會納入奧運"},{"start":8590.626,"end":8619.168,"text":"未來有可能會納入奧運這個可能你覺得1到100%有多高目前他已經納入亞運那我認為他到奧運的機會也非常之高我認為99%所以我們納管了8年耶未來一定會有奧運項目是電競我們在等什麼等他正式納入奧運才要來支持這項運動嗎我們這是一個極為重要的戰略契機"},{"start":8622.174,"end":8648.715,"text":"電競走向國際競技的一個體系這是遲早的事情但是但是為什麼我會這麼的激動今天我翻閱本次送到立法院的運動部業務報告裡面發現整份報告裡面沒有任何關於電競的佈局部長我對你真的是非常的期待"},{"start":8650.396,"end":8670.053,"text":"所以為什麼開場我就講你是會在部會首長裡面數一數二會玩英雄聯盟的這不是一句話而已這代表著是一個年輕代表是一個活力代表著是你懂電競所以我希望你要給運動部更多的活水"},{"start":8670.922,"end":8681.411,"text":"今天我只看到這份報告裡面把它納入了新興運動但是這新興運動裡面的定義內文寫著尚未獲國際奧會認可的運動寫這個"},{"start":8687.6,"end":8704.663,"text":"是在安慰自己因為我沒有規劃是因為他還沒認可嗎我覺得大可不必因為他一定會被認定為未來奧運的項目之一就是電競台灣的孩子在國際的發光一定會有機會"},{"start":8706.837,"end":8722.732,"text":"不用五年不用十年我們的孩子現在早就已經被世界看到了但是我們的政府卻沒有做這些選手的靠山所以我看到沒有規劃牛步到現在完全沒有跟上國際的趨勢我要問部長"},{"start":8727.576,"end":8741.003,"text":"電競納管8年了從以前的體育署到現在的運動部你認為運動部在人才培育選手管理以及賽事認證國家代表隊的制度的面向具體的制度要怎麼改革成果"},{"start":8743.322,"end":8758.828,"text":"跟委員報告那這部分在電競這一塊那在星星極限運動那我也非常認同委員您說的後續電競是否會納入奧運的項目那我們也非常期待那在電競這一塊在我上任之後我也積極的與電競協會去做後續的規劃以及藍圖"},{"start":8762.429,"end":8788.309,"text":"您在專案報告之前其實我們就已經有與協會的秘書長去做後續關於培訓以及未來的來部長我要的是具體的啦你先答應我一個很簡單的固定跟電競的相關產業來做一個與會可以嗎做得到嗎我親自你就算跟電競開會的時候你問他英雄聯盟怎麼玩我都沒意見可以我跟選手在一起"},{"start":8789.522,"end":8801.869,"text":"多吸收他們的想法多吸收他們該給你的一些困境這你做得到嗎做得到撥一個小時的時間跟他們語談跟他們吃個便當我不用什麼非常好的一個佈景"},{"start":8804.164,"end":8820.86,"text":"餐廳我只希望你花一個小時固定聽聽他們的心聲我也希望運動部是否願意啟動電子競技長城的發展計畫研擬電競產業的白皮書作為我國推動的藍圖這可以嗎電競的白皮書這個部分可能我講真的啦部長只要願意做"},{"start":8830.049,"end":8841.251,"text":"我必須講一個比較粗俗的話跟所有在座的各位分享網路影片曾經說過不要害怕你做出來的產品像一坨大便"},{"start":8843.939,"end":8860.56,"text":"你聽得懂這句話嗎不要害怕你做出來的成品像一坨大便它也會成為你未來成功的養分但是如果你連做出一份產品出奇的東西成果你都不願意做"},{"start":8862.356,"end":8888.996,"text":"這沒辦法在成功道路上成為養分跟委員報告我們會來努力我沒有要你做出白皮書100分但是我願意看著你 陪著你我們一起努力做出這第一份的白皮書我們慢慢來修正你願不願意做跟委員報告我們會來努力謝謝你我希望這一份魄力這一份決心我們真的要認真電競跟大家報告"},{"start":8891.323,"end":8902.239,"text":"電腦三個月就換一輪就新的來了電競已經八年了我們沒辦法再用年去等待電競產業的一個進步"},{"start":8905.578,"end":8934.017,"text":"每一分每一秒我們的孩子都會輸在國際的這些浪潮之下一分一秒的浪費就是讓台灣讓中華民國沒辦法再被世界看到所以拜託大家請運動部針對本席的建議包括研擬電競產業的白皮書盡力的去跟行政院來爭取跨部會的推動平台兩週內可不可以給我一個"},{"start":8934.617,"end":8941.885,"text":"研擬出具體的方案資料兩週內委員可以一個月嗎好一個月"},{"start":8942.892,"end":8967.76,"text":"好 謝謝委員原理方案不是說一個月給我白皮書啦我們都是願意陪伴合理性的去要求好不好謝謝委員另外我要再講的是救生員的檢定制度公辦的成效不彰是不是應該全面的檢討調整本席探討救生員的制度109年體育署也就是現在的運動部改裁全面公辦檢定"},{"start":8969.381,"end":8996.868,"text":"政府多年來投入相對的經費行政量能但整個整體的效能並沒有如預期今年暑假為例公辦的泳池反應救生員招募困難出現班表排不出來人力補不上顯現現行的制度就發生問題你沒有救生員要怎麼營運所以我已進一步查監察院資料2023年"},{"start":8998.795,"end":9015.17,"text":"報告明確指出救生員的人力供給逐年下降檢定的制度訓練實際需求產生落差部長你有沒有掌握這個資訊跟委員報告那我們確實全民署這邊有了解到這個部分還是由他來好請說"},{"start":9016.898,"end":9045.265,"text":"所以委員我大概兩天前有邀那個相關游泳池產業工會的代表到辦公室來討論一下目前他們針對公辦檢定還有其實目前是雙軌然後只要有就是私人的要辦理自辦檢定的部分我們現在也跟他們討論有一些困難的問題我們會協助幫他們來做一個應該要協助真的要認真去這個我們都有掌握現場的一些訊息然後我們一個一個來克服我想我跟部長講一下"},{"start":9045.905,"end":9066.314,"text":"檢定的內容仍以泳池體能為主啦難以反映開放水域的實際救援風險復訓制度過度的著重在體能門檻資深的救生員不易留任檢定流程行政的設計缺乏彈性普遍學員都說反映真的很不方便"},{"start":9067.609,"end":9096.562,"text":"所以训练机构这个部分许多训练的学员完成以后跨县市要报名公办厂次增加时间经济成本最重要薪资偏低责任又大所以人力当然会出现问题嘛所以综合监察院的调查地方政府反映训练机构的意见以及五年来公办检定的实际运作本席认为救生员制度必须全面检讨所以我要这一次的拜托部长"},{"start":9098.894,"end":9125.271,"text":"109年公辦上路前受認可的救生訓練機構在接訓後即可原地辦理檢定由主管機關派員監督流程相對的簡化變明也可以讓學員在體能最佳時完成檢驗但公辦上路以後場次有限流程固定反而造成訓練檢定被迫分離我想請問一下部長怎麼看待這樣子的一個制度落差"},{"start":9126.055,"end":9135.847,"text":"我覺得這部分跟委員報告那我們後續會做一個全面性的盤整跟規劃檢討什麼時候可以給我資料一個月"},{"start":9137.072,"end":9161.044,"text":"委員可以兩個月內嗎好我剛心裡也在想大概是兩個月謝謝委員有志一同那我想現行的公辦制度在人力的調整行政的成本便利銜接我覺得有沒有達到預先原先的預期看起來是沒有就一定要去慢慢的做調整也不要慢了因為現在人力真的已經差蠻多的所以"},{"start":9161.744,"end":9180.657,"text":"这一定流失不是单一因素我们希望现行制度的养成职业存在断层的时候我们应该要认真的去做整个内部的盘点请听训练补助复训职涯进修能力的认证让资深的救生员工作权的保障"},{"start":9181.733,"end":9201.031,"text":"這個部分我要真的要拜託提出全體具體的一個全面改善方案讓願意的人留得住做得久最後我也要再講救生員普遍反映執法依法在執行救援的時候實務上仍需面對後續的調查"},{"start":9203.331,"end":9230.768,"text":"甚至在溺水爭議的事件中也成為了被告造成第一線相當大的壓力也影響年輕人投入本席建議運動部要跨部會研擬結合法務部等相關部會確立更明確的程序指引法律協助制度減輕第一線在相關程序上法律的一個困難這做得到嗎有 我們會去與跨部會去做合作你覺得我講有道理嗎"},{"start":9232.675,"end":9242.623,"text":"委員就是我們要解決他們的問題對啊才會有人願意做啊不然最後大家都不做你就會有更多問題好不好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝羅廷維委員請部長回座請葛如軍委員質詢"},{"start":9267.724,"end":9275.723,"text":"謝主席 有請李洋部長好 請李部長委員好"},{"start":9276.243,"end":9297.98,"text":"部長 這應該是您第一次來立院的教育委員會進行業務報告也非常感謝您親自前來同時您身為前運動員 現任部長但我相信您一輩子都有運動員的精神我也要給予敬意因為我覺得運動員是我們國家非常重要的棟樑"},{"start":9300.162,"end":9306.247,"text":"我自己是阿宅比較不會運動但有某一種運動也許我們之後還有機會切磋剛剛羅廷偉委員是我們推動電競不遺餘力我雖然是不太會打電動但是英雄聯盟也是略經一二偶爾用一下易大師玩一下之後有機會大家也切磋切磋交流一下也了解一下我們年輕人的一些心思跟看法"},{"start":9327.584,"end":9345.88,"text":"我想本席今天還是想要就我比較不熟悉的運動員的處境要來多跟您請教討論本席上網看了一下運動部的體育運動贊助媒合平台這一點我覺得整合的精神我是予以肯定運動部藉由這個平台"},{"start":9346.32,"end":9367.682,"text":"希望能夠提供運動員和運動團隊更多公開露出的管道以及讓他們把他們的需求提出來讓企業和民眾可以更加便捷的去捐贈喜愛的運動員給他們一些相關的資源但是本席調查以後卻發現這個平台的成效好像人代加強"},{"start":9369.343,"end":9389.873,"text":"我們有稍微索取了相關的資料您可以看到在這個平台上面運動員和團隊的總需求您可以看最下面大概是114年大概是2億1314年加起來大概是2億5000萬那兩個年度在這個平台上他們實際上拿到的贊助只有1200萬"},{"start":9391.634,"end":9416.867,"text":"連零頭都可能有點算不上更何況其中我們看了還有很多項目落差的問題就是說特定項目拿到了很多的資源但是大部分的項目是沒有拿到資源的類別上面也有落差像我們這個阿宅一進去看到有個電子競技的馬上點進去想說會不會有電競戰隊可以來協助結果呢看起來是還沒有那整體來講看起來先看結果吧"},{"start":9417.307,"end":9444.332,"text":"就是說跟運動員還有團隊的需求還有實際創造的這個成效一千兩百萬的贊助這個差異巨大部長您怎麼看我認為這也是我們在媒合的部分後續會繼續努力那當然過去在運動員及團隊的贊助案子也是近幾年才比較盛行對我覺得這部分我們後續會在規劃上讓更多人知道有這個平台然後去擴大範圍"},{"start":9445.751,"end":9472.839,"text":"那部長應該理解啦運動員應該是有很多需求的沒錯吧那我覺得這個部長您可能要更仔細的去加強啦因為這個我覺得平台利益是非常好的那尤其現在電子化程度又很高民眾有很多的這種機制他希望能夠來贊助運動員像我昨天啊我其實就上去用了一下平台是可以點選運動類別啦那我看到我今天要跟您相見我就選了羽球啊"},{"start":9473.619,"end":9493.852,"text":"結果看到有羽球選手確實有專案在上面而且還蠻強的他是世界在巡迴的還有這個目標要排名前幾這樣他提出就是說他需要一百多萬我就不講太細免得大家去肉搜甚至我為什麼點了這位選手因為他還寫了說他要物資需求這物資需求"},{"start":9494.713,"end":9511.16,"text":"就是基貼要幾何這樣子那老實說我先講我希望部長有機會上去看一下您的也許就是您的朋友也許是您的學弟學妹學長學姐都有可能那甚至也不是語求方面的我是希望"},{"start":9512.1,"end":9540.967,"text":"這個部長有機會上去用一下甚至因為他也可以小額贊助那有一些東西要加強為什麼我昨天已經按贊助金額要送出去了今天還在審核中我現在要也不知道我是要轉帳還是能刷卡這個沒關係這個新的整合我們給予這個支持但是應該要趕快加強那為什麼呢是因為要跟您分享今年的7月8號我們立法院也很負責三讀通過了運產條例的修正案"},{"start":9542.102,"end":9570.488,"text":"其中不管是第26條還是第26之二的修正都是在鼓勵民間將資源投入到運動產業這個部分以明確的跟您分享那這次修法呢主要是增加企業贊助運動產業的意願但是呢卻沒有提升到一般民眾自然人的意願那我就是民眾嘛那您可能在捐助的時候在那個moment您也是一個民眾嘛公民的一份子"},{"start":9571.068,"end":9595.119,"text":"那如果連這些剛剛我們提到的運動部認可的運動員團體都募不到錢那其他更不知名的團體或選手其實可能就更不用想了部長您覺得透過付稅優惠的方式增加一般民眾捐助運動或團體誘因這樣的一個方式怎麼樣部長這邊還有沒有什麼做法可以改善我們現在運動員團體經費不足的問題因為能不能讓民眾來抵稅"},{"start":9599.801,"end":9617.128,"text":"那這樣子其實大家很多的熱心可以轉化為這些資源啊不管是錢還是基貼我覺得這個當然基貼他可能要用錢去買才能抵稅啊這部分部長您感覺如何您的這個您支持不支持啊"},{"start":9617.688,"end":9634.21,"text":"我認為這部分我們會去持續優化那我自己本人在今年度也有贊助六位羽球選手雖然我沒有使用此條例但我覺得我相信有非常多未來有更多的民眾願意來贊助我們運動員沒錯嘛應該要提升民眾一起來支持嘛我想台灣"},{"start":9635.131,"end":9655.216,"text":"大家是充滿了愛的那這部分要部長好好努力啦您自己是運動員我相信您一定最清楚運動員如果缺乏支持或支援造成的還不是沒有錢去比賽很可能他的這個不管是這個剛剛我們提到的機貼啊設備啊甚至是賽後的氧化"},{"start":9656.036,"end":9682.443,"text":"這可能都會受到影響這也是他們的整體的維護身體狀態的維護所以這部分麻煩部長回去研議一下剛剛我們說的增加民眾贊助的誘因之外還有沒有什麼方式可以幫助我們這些優秀的運動員再次本席也順便跟部長關心一下當初運產條例修法以後執法的狀況當初26條的修法增加企業捐助"},{"start":9683.463,"end":9701.712,"text":"這個主管機關認可全民運動發展之賽事可以獲得租稅優惠的修法想請問部長這個全民運動發展之賽事就是我框起來這個地方定義出來了嗎包不包含社區自己舉辦的小型比賽部長請回應"},{"start":9703.328,"end":9720.737,"text":"這部分應該還沒有明確的規定我們後續會去規範這個部分很好 感謝部長您很清楚這部分本席希望部長要趕快定義出來否則企業跟民眾的支持沒有一個更大的方向所以"},{"start":9721.838,"end":9738.312,"text":"本席也要強烈建議要納入民眾自辦的小型比賽當然我們剛剛羅廷偉委員還有我們非常多委員都關注的電子競技也希望能夠納入啦畢竟全民運動的推廣不只是全民署的成效也本來就是運動部成立的目的之一"},{"start":9738.812,"end":9761.261,"text":"希望部長您在因為這個可能會牽涉到財政部所以您在跟財政部溝通的時候要堅持住盡量放寬認可的標準可以嗎定義的執法大概什麼時候出來剛剛您有沒有承諾過有沒有承諾過沒有的話可不可以三個月內把執法定義提出來很長三個月很長了已經不知道又有多少個運動員"},{"start":9763.243,"end":9787.864,"text":"又在熬熬代補囉因為這個跟委員因為跟委員報告那這個涉及會要跟財政部的部分是不是可以給我們較長的時間因為四個月剛剛那個羅委員你都兩個月好啦那就四個月好不好但真的要快啦好不好真的要快那另外隨著這個2026亞運來想要跟部長額外討論禁藥管制工作的情況"},{"start":9789.105,"end":9799.358,"text":"目前這個部分是由財團法人中華運動禁藥防治基金會來做這個工作的處理那作為窗口該會採樣寄檢體送到國外"},{"start":9801.67,"end":9821.067,"text":"那從過去的資料其實您剛剛柯志恩委員也有提過啦但他提的比較快那過去的資料我們幫您整理近十年來我國不斷有因選手違反那有停賽 禁賽 取消成績今年到七月就已經有六位了那面對這些不斷有選手因為要務管制而無法出賽的問題"},{"start":9822.148,"end":9845.893,"text":"本席有收到一份在去年九月底剛剛柯委員有提到由眾多的奧運參賽選手教練以及學者寫給賴總統的信件這個信件主要是要求將禁藥管制機構行政法人化裡面反映了眾多現行的問題例如現行基金會的問題"},{"start":9846.753,"end":9872.094,"text":"例如在教育檢測和結果管理方面未能提供有效資源或者是內部管理不善這是裡面寫的因利益衝突遭檢舉並列舉眾多運動員因該基金會的種種缺失我現在都是念裡面的內容導致許多運動員出現不白之淵的事件部長 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謝謝部長再來我想要請教部長我們今年的巴林亞青運的成績非常亮眼我們有四十面的獎牌有七金九銀二十四銅那在出發前跟歸國後部長也都親自給我們小國手鼓勵那部長你也表示說成績不是一切讓這些孩子可以讓世界看見台灣也提到說要選手我們盡情享受比賽的過程部長你本身是運動員出身更是擁奪了奧運金牌"},{"start":10587.145,"end":10612.742,"text":"您認為心理素質的強化除了自我心態的提升之外跟多參與國際比賽增加眼界有沒有正向的關聯我認為參加這樣的亞輕運其實對我們的運動員來講國際賽事對我們運動員來講其實是好事但我們還是最希望他們能夠維持他們讀書好的習慣因為我們都是學生運動員我們同樣都在體育班上課希望他們保持好上課的習慣"},{"start":10613.803,"end":10639.899,"text":"其實當然如果可以學習運動兩不單我當然是家長也是都是這樣的希望的您本身是運動員我想您能夠體會對一個運動員來講能夠參與國際賽事能夠在現場去感受去觀摩這是一個非常重要很難得的學習那您認為說運動部在成立之後過去以奪牌為主的這種思維需不需要被改變尤其對這些小選手"},{"start":10640.199,"end":10659.595,"text":"他們青澳青運亞青運東亞青運等等比賽我們是不是可以放下過去對奪牌的這種思維的執著我們改用交流育成的這個方式來組團我為什麼提出這個問題呢就是我們這一屆的巴黎亞青運以人數來看我們的代表隊有153人但泰國是235人哈薩克是240人"},{"start":10662.757,"end":10677.743,"text":"其他的國家是全面的投入那國際間的這個奪牌大國日本其實在本屆的亞青運也只有四金喔那我們這次亞青運的參賽標準是上屆前四名配合澳亞運培訓則優"},{"start":10679.984,"end":10694.05,"text":"最近一屆青年綜合性賽前三以及最近一屆單項前三如果我們用這樣的標準這樣的條件去看我們要派最有奪牌希望的選手出賽變成說我能夠奪牌我才能比賽部長你覺得說"},{"start":10696.631,"end":10712.657,"text":"青年奧運會的宗旨本來就是促進運動參與為目的的但如果我們用這樣的概念用奪牌培訓這樣的框架去限制孩子參賽的機會這樣是不是對孩子們也是喪失了他們很難得可以參與的機會"},{"start":10713.737,"end":10739.861,"text":"跟委員報告那這個部分當然還是亞輕運是屬於比較大型的運動會當然我們還是會希望它的經費其實是有限的那我們當然還是會希望拋開奪牌的部分但同時在經費有限的情況下我們還是希望說讓這些運動員能夠去參與那好那部長您說了是我們拋卻是奪牌的這種執著的話其實在預算上經費上也是一個很重要的部分"},{"start":10740.441,"end":10769.221,"text":"那這個當中我還要提一下有單項協會他曾經提出申請他是因為不符合參賽標準直接被無視這個現象這個事情證明說即使他們不符合奪牌希望這個標準但是我們的選手我們的小選手們是很期待很希望可以有這個機會出賽的他們想要去交流想要去看看這個世界所以我希望說除了說在預算這個部分請我們運動部去努力之外呢孩子們的願望不能因為說他不符合"},{"start":10770.241,"end":10784.347,"text":"這個參賽標準被扼殺那過去體育署都被戲稱說是奪牌署那舊的體育署訂下這個參賽標準新的運動部應該有新的思維跟新的做法我希望說我們能夠研議修改2027在韓國這個東亞慶運有不同的選拔的辦法"},{"start":10788.869,"end":10814.029,"text":"希望運動部這邊可以審慎評估因為我自己在地方參加比賽的這些開幕的時候我除了為選手加油我都會說鼓勵選手我們以球會有 以賽會有我們運動技巧的提升呢我們就是觀摩觀察別人的這個比賽的技巧別人的團體我們以這是一個很難得而且很重要的學習啦所以希望說運動部將來不要再用舊思維來框住我們孩子的發展好嗎"},{"start":10814.807,"end":10831.377,"text":"委員 跟委員報告那我們這部分會在明年編列2027年的預算的時候我們會盡量去爭取預算讓更多的青少年能夠參與這樣的國際交流的賽事謝謝部長願意努力 謝謝謝謝主席 謝謝委員謝謝陳秀寶 趙偉謝謝部長 請回座現在請郭育晴委員質詢"},{"start":10848.902,"end":10875.72,"text":"好 謝謝主席有請部長好 有請李部長委員好部長辛苦了加油第一次備詢對不對對我想今天要談的有三個方向第一個我想討論的就是關於我們的運動員平權的一些問題我想這個核心的問題其實在於身為精英的身障"},{"start":10876.62,"end":10896.781,"text":"選手精英的身上選手他居然要用自行募款才能夠參加國際比賽我想這個除了是一個核心的問題也是一個制度面的一個問題甚至我們聽到這樣子的一個內容跟他所闡述的一些在FB上的一些文章文字其實我們也替這樣子的一個制度感到一些憂心"},{"start":10897.862,"end":10921.204,"text":"好 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的選手"},{"start":11677.537,"end":11686.484,"text":"你針對這個奧林匹克的運動選手成立這個合協會啊,對到我們國這個體育政策啊,這幾年來,你不一定有了解,但是你認為影響到你體育部,對到這運動政策,會對你的有造成影響嗎?"},{"start":11703.38,"end":11721.111,"text":"我認為有愈來愈好的趨勢 跟委員報告愈來愈好是怎樣就是我們認為整體的運動環境有愈來愈好我講這個協會啦就是說奧林匹克的選手成立這個協會會把你現在推動運動在各單行甚至對選拔選手一直叫你制定運動情勢它對你有正面的影響其實是對你造成風海"},{"start":11734.828,"end":11763.442,"text":"跟委員報告說實話沒關係 因為我們是民隊問題嘛對不對尤其你是奧林匹克出身的選手有 委員我是講實話但主要是因為我的台語確實沒有到這麼好我聽到 沒關係來 抱歉好 這是個奧運人成立了組織了我們這個學會他們當然就是要推動甚至於是為了什麼目的那我們希望是整合更多的力量在於國家體育的發展"},{"start":11764.363,"end":11791.723,"text":"那你認為這個協會對於你推動這個運動部來那對你的推動是會造成漢革還是會有所幫助我認為奧運人協會他是屬於奧運有參與過奧運的選手的人才能參與那我認為說他沒辦法取代現在的中華奧會那我認為說中華奧會有他很重要的責任在"},{"start":11793.115,"end":11820.36,"text":"那你有加入這個協會嗎奧運人協會我有奧運人協會你有加入我有參與所以你覺得他們沒辦法影響現在現有的規則和辦法我認為他們應該不是以這個方向去做那他應該要能提供更多的協助在這個角度來希望做更多的演講讓身為有奧運的選手更多的曝光好 對於基層的改革你知道國產行業"},{"start":11822.808,"end":11850.025,"text":"在過去所有包括歷載來優秀的奧運選手都是從基層出來的那在高中到小學這些體育界有一群老兵無怨無悔的付出幾乎每個月甚至他領的薪水都還要倒貼在選手的身上太多了然後很多學校就是"},{"start":11851.397,"end":11877.986,"text":"家長看不下去然後就家長變成運動選手的家長變成後援會的基本會員就放他們在島內那你現在運動部的經費多了這麼多你有去思考就是說對基層國高中小學這一些運動老兵對他們有沒有增加一些資源上的補助幫忙"},{"start":11879.025,"end":11906.923,"text":"你有沒有提出具體的計畫這部分無論是在基層訓練站還有在專任教練的部分我們都有去做規劃沒有 那是以前就有嘛但就是因為嚴重不足就是說你現在擔任部長以後有沒有針對這一群給予精神上的鼓勵大家都會嗎實質上的經費有增加你有沒有提出具體的作為目前是經費有增加那當然我們會怎麼增加"},{"start":11908.705,"end":11933.159,"text":"我們會沒關係 你把你對他們怎麼增加具體的數字 算給我1分好1個月來給我好 沒問題因為這個大家都關心 大家都吃不乾了我們做家長的跟教練的互動中間 大家互出 變成互相聽受來栽培到你們這裡的國手"},{"start":11938.673,"end":11964.786,"text":"當然很多國手也沒有人很辛苦啊沒有得到獎牌以前沒有人關注啊當你進到公盟的時候今天又是悠閒來行為 拿到寶座你竟然要去灰頭 飲水酥丸你是怎樣人家把你栽培起來 對不對你想到那個老師 那個教練做到退休是退而不休還繼續奉獻想到我們的感動老百姓"},{"start":11966.883,"end":11991.648,"text":"所有一樣 野球也一樣 卡球也一樣 遊營也一樣所以有時候 他們的感情沒辦法 我現在就怕說我現在新的單位出來 新的協會我拿出建言 要打打鼓勵可以改革啦 但是有一些情感上的結合運動選手不是只有靠技術而已很多是政治和教練政治上的安打"},{"start":11992.844,"end":12019.907,"text":"有比賽型的你敢知道什麼叫比賽型的跟訓練型的算什麼你知道嗎就是比賽打得特別好然後比賽型的就是比賽打得特別好訓練型的就是通常在... 屁股的在訓練喔我打架起來教練就撤了啊啊你知不知道 吊鈴鐺都沒在講結果處理騎車 打結架 哄人家有的比賽很認真 每次都漂亮 教練把他打破我耳朵 騎出去就三振"},{"start":12022.062,"end":12039.14,"text":"你是算比賽型的還是訓練型的我算穩定型的穩定就對了 你訓練也好 比賽也好訓練還行 但比賽要好一點你可以讓我們台灣所有的體育選手都像你這樣嗎"},{"start":12041.158,"end":12059.967,"text":"那我在運動你要怎麼做我希望我們運動員也要知道他們要足夠自律以及在這些剛剛委員提到的教練其實我們有非常多基層老師教練其實付出了非常多包含自掏腰包的部分那過往我也當了老師你知道教練都有自掏腰包因為過往我當老師我也有自掏腰包"},{"start":12061.861,"end":12080.686,"text":"這一點就是問題就是我今天問你的核心問題這一點就是說針對你在高中以前有沒有被列為重點培訓選手沒有沒有嘛所以你是異類那如果在你高中以前就有透過科技選拔"},{"start":12082.166,"end":12107.977,"text":"你有特定的某些特徵還有比較強的技能或是特殊的包括體魄上的 體格上的 包括精神上的現在體育部有沒有針對這些要做研議針對高中 國中 小學這些有興趣成為體育選手的這些你做什麼比較具體的科技檢測法"},{"start":12109.468,"end":12137.847,"text":"跟委員報告是不是請業務單位來做訪問 謝謝你本身有領委推動這是必要的嗎我認為在 不用人答候啦去細節 技術細節不用說我認為學生運動員在學生階段如果有獲得比較明顯的特徵選拔確實對他們的運動傷害或者是其他部分確實可以避免的比較多但同時我還是非常認同學生運動員非常重要的是要去讀書有更加多的課業的輔導"},{"start":12140.428,"end":12148.959,"text":"但是針對專業的體育運動,有時候在科技檢測上,譬如說像我這樣,一百八十里,腳又痛、手又痛,這來修水一定不錯的,像這樣。"},{"start":12154.787,"end":12177.112,"text":"就是說類似這一些選拔初步先把它作為一般重點的培訓關注然後到了國中高中的時候它慢慢出類拔萃最後我們就能訓練出比較精良的真真正正可以在奧林匹克這個大廳有優秀精良的選手"},{"start":12178.058,"end":12193.483,"text":"我的概念是這樣跟委員報告那之前確實我們教練會做親自的選拔那當然有加入科學可能會更不一樣那我跟你講這個不是科學不一樣一定要做為什麼全是包括美國包括我跟你講所有包括連職業運動的這些大聯盟"},{"start":12198.365,"end":12215.066,"text":"這些網球全部我跟你講都對每一個選手做醫學上 科技上的體能跟體格上的分析那我們不是說刻意要去栽培一個奧運金牌可是你要廣播種子這些種子一撒"},{"start":12216.147,"end":12243.926,"text":"十顆百顆千顆總會有一隻萌芽茁壯那你如果這些都不做就會變成很多事情是四倍公辦當然體育運動就是說要讓大家用遊戲的概念我們不是要變成一群人但是在這遊戲的一群人裡面一百個裡面有一個是特別能夠成為選手而且當你訓練他用一半的資源一半的心力他就可以茁壯成為大樹的時候"},{"start":12246.267,"end":12259.174,"text":"如果沒有透過科技的檢測跟這些數據讓你當成參考你就很難找到這個千里馬我意思是這樣我們有剛好千里馬計畫謝謝委員"},{"start":12264.052,"end":12292.628,"text":"我拜託你把你的千里馬計畫就是說如何在科技上你們是如何做然後或是透過醫學上的檢測這些請你用書面給本席然後我們會再進一步的跟你研討怎麼做更精進怎麼做更能標靶的打擊培訓我們台灣可以更好好不好謝謝委員"},{"start":12295.219,"end":12323.057,"text":"好 謝謝謝龍介委員請部長回座請林佩祥委員質詢你可以決定速度好 謝謝主席 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麻煩運動部在會後給本席詳細的書面報告好嗎再來其實我們還是談到永歡這個協會的事情我想我之前也有委員曾經質詢過老師說"},{"start":12527.685,"end":12555.746,"text":"硬體是長管花錢蓋好就有但是軟體的崩壞也就是單向協會的治理危機才是我們現在運動部可能是最大的挑戰那我們最近有看到桌球協會的事情足球協會的事情部長您過去也是選手當初如果您在爭取奧運積分的時候協會強迫你去打亞青賽而擅自取消你的頂級賽事的報名我們今天可能兩片金牌就沒有了嘛"},{"start":12556.306,"end":12580.278,"text":"那老實說我們在體育法第43條裡面我們最常看到就是所謂的停職補助但是實務上我們都看到像桌球協會這種強勢協會他們寧願不要體育署的錢也要貫徹秘書長的意志而被懲罰的反而是選手反而是這些依靠出國比賽的基層選手這把刀也就是停職補助砍下去"},{"start":12582.319,"end":12606.089,"text":"砍不到选手砍不到该被惩罚的人砍到的反而是选手请问部长面对这种挟持选手以利运动部的协会除了消极的断银根之外运动部现阶段严厉了什么样的计划是否考虑修法将侧免秘书长或理事长的门槛降低或针对协会高层个人进行行政裁罚"},{"start":12607.062,"end":12620.592,"text":"跟委員報告那我一上任之後我們有進行當然我們身為運動員我們一直都知道協會部分是我們需要去改善的那當然在這一塊我們也希望說藉由更多元的溝通例如運動員委員會"},{"start":12623.054,"end":12643.949,"text":"讓運動員可以更直接的表達意見到特定體育團體那同時我們運動部也有同仁在與會那我們會同時監督特定體育團體能夠直接將這些聲音納入意見去作為改善的方針那當然我覺得在協會的部分後續會不會要修法我們可能還是要去做研議"},{"start":12645.666,"end":12668.037,"text":"我這邊直接舉個例子啦中華民國競技啦啦隊協會每年都拿我們體育署的補助這些錢最後到哪裡去根本看不到這些錢用在選手身上我甚至我遭到陳情請部署去裡面了解調查那體育署的效率非常高非常快一個禮拜就用協會的說明當作調查結果回復本席"},{"start":12668.957,"end":12681.164,"text":"內容很簡單就幾百個字用最快的形容詞就四個字查無不法部長你可以接受你的部署用協會的用協會的答覆就把一些很需要調查的案子對本席糊弄過去嗎"},{"start":12682.233,"end":12708.381,"text":"我認為我們未來會以更嚴謹更謹慎的態度去面對所有跟特定體育團體有關的事項我就直接把細項拿出來講好了這些選手每年都自費8到10萬代表台灣參賽卻沒有拿到過補助款過去選手每年出國比賽的機票跟回國交給協會的時候下一個年度的出國比賽前會黏到前一年的補助約5000塊"},{"start":12709.841,"end":12726.197,"text":"自從2023年世界啦啦隊錦標賽國手被中華拉鞋要求收回自費買的機票票跟至今一毛補助也沒給選手而且協會也坦承機票向體育署核銷補助體育署居然回覆"},{"start":12726.858,"end":12748.21,"text":"本宣言回覆支出項目主要包括教練後補選手交通費及住宿費代表隊服裝服裝費保險費運動防護用品費跟參賽音樂剪輯費這些項目教練費機票服裝都是選手自費行為拿來核銷那您認為這個這樣子是不是規避監督而且不合理呢"},{"start":12749.195,"end":12760.19,"text":"我覺得這邊這個確實有待我們運動部責無旁貸我們後續會對這個部分去做更明確的事情回覆給委員您這個是選手喔 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協會有沒有被移送法辦如果是易領那就表示說當初體育署是閉著眼睛給錢那多少運動團體申請不到體育署的補助但是迷你足球協會居然這個協會合齊受到關注可以獲得7589萬的補助後續居然可以分10年繳回"},{"start":12905.186,"end":12912.468,"text":"這是什麼法規所以我就覺得說現在這個協會老實講網路上也在講協會的協不是協和的協協會的協是協門的協我想這網路上PTT大家都知道那這個協會的陋習部長請問你要怎麼樣具體的去解決這些問題呢後續我們會針對協會特定體育團體這邊會再做更多的做法去來跟委員您報告"},{"start":12934.78,"end":12955.316,"text":"台湾因为越来越进步所以越来越多人参与运动我们也期待说运动产业跟运动风气能够带得起来强生才能强国但是当我们每一个人在从事运动的时候听到协会两个字大家都在摇头我希望部长是身为选手出身的我还再强调一次您是基层起来的您是一个最好的example"},{"start":12956.036,"end":12979.974,"text":"也是個最好的story那麼請你身為部長的時候試著用你的力量改變一下這些我們對於協會對於運動部對於國家發展運動推廣運動的這些刻板印象這些不好的刻板印象可以嗎我們會來努力好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝林沛翔委員謝謝部長請回座現在請奈會員委員質詢時間4分鐘"},{"start":12989.025,"end":12992.006,"text":"好 謝謝主席有請部長經理部長"},{"start":12996.018,"end":13022.151,"text":"部長 剛剛那個沛翔委員對你戰意有加那我在加碼就是說你上任以來就是今年的總統盃那你也辦得很精彩所以就是說這個是要給我們的團隊來做一個鼓勵部長我來自於一個台南最偏鄉的選區我的農民我的漁民相當的多那"},{"start":13024.093,"end":13040.708,"text":"以求的向下扎根我希望部長今天就是跟部長討論一個就是說有沒有一個行動上的一個承諾那你會做一個跟過去體育署不同的一個調查跟規劃嗎有沒有這樣的一個計畫"},{"start":13041.96,"end":13053.826,"text":"有 我們現在不只是在C級 B級 A級的部分去做教練的盤整然後當然我們還有在這些體育班的部分我們會去做一些基層的了解說我們還缺少什麼"},{"start":13054.488,"end":13078.398,"text":"是那部長其實長年以來就是說乙球在偏鄉場地的減肉還有就是教練的流動力非常高這個都是這個常態性的一個問題的那在全民運動署成立了以後有針對特定偏鄉運動如那個乙毛球這一個師之上的一個穩定有沒有專門的"},{"start":13079.478,"end":13101.225,"text":"是不是經費會再加倍的一個那個提高那還有這一段就是說我要再請教部長就是說你從接任部長開始到現在有沒有一個強制性的一個偏鄉的一個審查這樣子的一個那個計畫那是不是有請業務單位來他要排給你還是讓誰來回答我"},{"start":13105.536,"end":13122.57,"text":"誰可以回答我 就是部長在是不是可以成立一套那個強制性的一個偏鄉視察因為我們希望有這樣的一個專案就是說部長要下鄉來看部長可不可能這部分我會親自到各個地方去視察"},{"start":13124.511,"end":13151.643,"text":"你會嘛我會好 那我們也期待你的支持那就是說運動部提出了一個政策的目標就是在競技運動全民化那在11月24號本席到雪甲國中去考察一個雪甲國中的一個就是滑鐘盃的比賽的主要的一個場地那這個雪甲國中有提出來他們希望建置一個沙灘那個沙灘的一個排球場"},{"start":13152.623,"end":13170.188,"text":"可是這一個排球場就是因為教育部跟運動部的一個互相的前者不清造成了遲遲沒有辦法這個申請就是卡關了教育部說這個教學所需要的那個場地的一個器材"},{"start":13171.168,"end":13197.82,"text":"必須要回到運動部來負責那運動部說我只負責訓練就是所需要的場地的一個器材課外水液運動跟課外的一個食飲運動那部長現在這個投影片寫得非常清楚如果這個沙灘那個排球場它是揮一般的體育課程的場地跟內容到底是歸誰管"},{"start":13199.332,"end":13218.729,"text":"跟委員報告那現在我們跟教育部來講當然在分工上面我們還有我們現在正有兩個跨部會的平台那我們目前分工的部分是各級學校的足球場跟棒球場的新整建對那新的整建那我現在就請教你你這一個那個沙灘那個排球場誰來負責"},{"start":13221.465,"end":13243.019,"text":"我們會再與教育部去了解溝通好 那你這一個平台你說已經建置起來了嗎教育部跟運動部這一個平台已經建置起來了好 那現在這個平台是停留在有沒有案子的還是說開會了沒有最近我們的業務量還沒有到這個裡"},{"start":13244.062,"end":13253.798,"text":"所以還沒有開始開會兩個部會已經開了三次以上的會議那是常態性的開會嗎12月還會繼續開會常態性的開會那每個月都開嗎"},{"start":13256.765,"end":13284.887,"text":"不定期的但我們現在已經開了算是如果你是常態性的話怎麼會是不定期呢怎麼會是案子多了才把它那個收集起來並不是因為案子多了才去開這個會所以會是長期性的會有照理講應該是長期性的因為你現在運動部剛分家出來的時候有很多的案子就像這個斜甲國中這個沙灘排球場就是呈現一個這樣的一個問題出來所以我希望我希望這一個"},{"start":13285.948,"end":13300.431,"text":"案子那會後你們來做報告因為卡在那個地方已經一年過去了教育部說等運動部成立以後運動部會來處理運動部現在又告訴我說不是 這個是教育部的事情"},{"start":13301.452,"end":13330.32,"text":"連你們兩個都搞不清楚了那基層的怎麼會清楚呢那以上還是跟部長就是做一個加油還有校園體育設施的全者的劃分的備忘錄這個你要趕快上來你要趕快上路這個備忘錄建構起來的時候你有很多事情你就有那個依據你好來處理加油謝謝委員好 謝謝代會委員請部長回座"},{"start":13337.083,"end":13347.731,"text":"現在請陳昭資委員質詢好謝謝主席有請部長請李部長"},{"start":13351.383,"end":13375.818,"text":"委員好部長好我們是初次見面部長我看到體育部的這個運動部的這個官網首頁仍然掛著總統盃的街舞大賽那請問這個比賽是不是對這個運動部的形象重不重要我認為總統盃我們舉辦了三對三籃球跟街舞大賽我們認為說在全民推動是有它的效益"},{"start":13376.42,"end":13396.624,"text":"我認為是重要因為比賽結束了這個還掛在這個官網的首頁上那部長您擔任國手期間您也為台灣在史上取得這個首面的奧運的羽球金牌那您對國際的賽事這個有豐富的經驗我現在想請問部長在正式的賽事中是不是競賽規則應該要穩定 公開 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兩岸一個是宜蘭的松羅一個是屏東的長治百合長治百合還是平地喔 它在繁華鄉那邊喔"},{"start":14204.383,"end":14224.75,"text":"它是遷居下來的所以真正在山上我們沒有看到我們的運動資源的挹注像有一個113到116年的優化全民運動與賽會環境計畫一樣都是補助場館所以也完全下不到原鄉所以我想要請部長"},{"start":14226.07,"end":14248.96,"text":"目前完全沒有補助原鄉設置運動設施的計畫是不是應該趁著現在運動部的成立而且有一個叫設施司啊我們要推展全民運動之際來補助這個很簡單的運動設施的輔具納入未來的中長城計畫達到原鄉體育的推廣部長您做得到嗎我們會納入優化計畫來補助設施設備這部分"},{"start":14252.622,"end":14277.478,"text":"好 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謝謝委員謝謝部長 謝謝主席好 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職棒聯盟他們怎麼談另外一個部分本席過去一直很關心也就是在您今天的報告裡面有提到因為運動部當時要成立的時候我們要催生的時候我們有一個附帶條件也是我們這必要條件就是要成立運動博物館"},{"start":15045.658,"end":15063.835,"text":"那上一次次長已經有回答了我想再親口聽一下部長我們現在運動博物館的籌備方向目前進度為何已經正在先期性的規劃那當然明年也會有亞運的策展這部分那我覺得博物館的部分我們還在選址這部分我們確實我們需要一個如果運動博物館那確實需要一個"},{"start":15064.375,"end":15085.314,"text":"期待的場地跟期待的地址會是多大或者說您心目中的想法因為上一次次長甚至還有講到是說可能運動博物館要連同運動部一起蓋因為現在運動部在以前的體育署嘛豬人街嘛但是位子裡面相對來講空間沒有那麼多那你會不會覺得是說現在使用上來講會有受限的地方"},{"start":15086.175,"end":15114.894,"text":"在我們本部的話我們還是希望說未來當然如果有更加好的地方可以來進行蓋我們運動部的大樓那我們當然覺得非常好運動博物館的話同時我們也希望說選取一個比較好的地方可以讓更多的國民來了解到我們運動過往的歷史而且它一定是要一個綜合性的規劃它不會只是一個單邊的不會像我們以前傳統講的它就只是一個辦公室也不會像我們想的只是一個博物館對不對最好是它是一個運動園區"},{"start":15116.495,"end":15143.7,"text":"如果可以達成那是最好好那部長本席具體的建議你也是現在住在新北市林口區跟本席一樣所以你也算是我的選民所以我一定會好好的為你來服務選民的角度但是我也希望你來服務全國的運動迷新北市現在在推動新北大巨蛋的計畫現在在選址也在選址階段淡水地區或者是說樹林地區二則一不知道最後降落哪裡但是"},{"start":15144.68,"end":15160.26,"text":"新北大巨蛋它就有一個條件是如果說未來連同我們的運動部連同我們的運動博物館它可以變成是一個新北運動園區或是國家運動園區整體的概念考量為什麼很簡單嘛第一"},{"start":15160.6,"end":15185.254,"text":"大巨蛋也會有運動球迷前往大巨蛋也會有相關的這個賽事舉辦大巨蛋也會有周邊的腹地我們現在看到台北大巨蛋蠻成功的因為旁邊有商場旁邊有餐廳但是它跟運動的連結相對還是比較薄弱所以如果說我們現在要新做一個巨蛋在新北市它的人口數也是服務眾多400萬人口加台北250萬桃園200萬以及整體中招"},{"start":15188.796,"end":15214.08,"text":"國際旅客也可能來所以有沒有可能跟新北市這邊來做一個了解跟接觸也許可以共同來促成讓它變成是一個找地第一 地點可以寬更多第二 交通動線更大第三 運動部 運動博物館 新北大巨蛋能夠一起都在做一個可行性評估的階段如果說共同來做的話中央地方促成一個美式你想這是不是一個可行的方向"},{"start":15214.58,"end":15242.826,"text":"我想我們會跟新北市政府去做這樣的規劃但目前巨蛋的部分我們可能還是要因為巨蛋確實是一個比較高額的場館那我們會去做一個評估因為確實在運動部的選址以及運動博物館的選址我想我們還是要謹慎一點因為這一蓋下去可能會是非常多年是部長您話也不用講那麼快因為你剛剛講說跟新北來溝通或是說這個新北他們朝BOT"},{"start":15243.726,"end":15272.561,"text":"那我知道運動博物館或是運動部可能會找我們籌備經費自建但是本席現在講的是整個地點其實你地可以擴大一點可以新北大巨蛋還是原有BOT然後這個全責區分但是本席要的是不是要政治因素考量不是要分藍綠縣市或什麼而是真的是以專業長久所以市場很重要有沒有夠多人口能夠撐這個市場以及那個地方能不能有足夠的"},{"start":15274.68,"end":15300.808,"text":"體積還有最重要是整體的定位能不能好本席看到的是雖然我是新北市立委但本席看到的是這是一個好的機會跟方向是能夠共同結合的所以是不是一個月內找新北市體育局這邊共同來開會來了解一下也許相關的進度可以做配合也不一定設限因為我不知道會不會有選到更好的地點但至少這是一個可行的方向這樣可以嗎"},{"start":15301.528,"end":15318.581,"text":"我們會去與新北市政府來去進行溝通那本席也會後續推動有任何需要我們協助的地方我們都樂意協助跟配合好不好謝謝謝謝洪孟凱委員質詢部長請回座我們現在請今天最後一位楊瓊一委員質詢時間4分鐘"},{"start":15328.231,"end":15332.414,"text":"謝謝召委那本席陽泉發言邀請部長好 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