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嚇、被為難，這是你們貴黨高階從政同志，他去大陸，你不用請他來喝茶一下，問他到那裡有沒有被恐嚇？","quality":0.508},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:41:24.800000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-29T11:41:27.200000+08:00","text":"阿共有欺負他嗎？","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:41:27.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:41:31.625000+08:00","text":"有對他工作嗎？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:41:31.625000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-29T11:41:33.142857+08:00","text":"有對他統戰嗎？","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:41:33.142857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:41:44.333333+08:00","text":"你當陸委會主委，要關心這個議題，竟然都沒跟他……媒體報這麼大篇，你都沒有跟他……不然也該打電話跟他問好一下，都沒有？","quality":0.49},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:41:45+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:41:46.750000+08:00","text":"你都沒有跟他聯絡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-07-29T11:41:47+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:41:51.800000+08:00","text":"我們有時候會碰到，但是他沒有跟我講他赴陸的事情。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:41:52+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:41:53.777778+08:00","text":"沒有，我是說你看到報導以後。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-07-29T11:41:54.363636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:41:57.818182+08:00","text":"我有問過梁副主委，梁副主委說跟他也沒有聯繫。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:41:58+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:41:59.777778+08:00","text":"這跟梁文傑沒有關係，你問他要幹什麼！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-07-29T11:42:00+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:42:10.818182+08:00","text":"是，就是他這個事件跟他在中國大陸是不是有受到傷害，我是沒有看到任何這方面的情節，除非他有主動來跟我講。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:42:11.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:42:13.812500+08:00","text":"就是中國大陸對他沒有任何傷害？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-07-29T11:42:14+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:42:16.500000+08:00","text":"目前我們沒有看到這個事證。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:42:17+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:42:38+08:00","text":"好，現在我們臺南民間傳得風風雨雨，同樣說有一位貴黨高階幹部的親屬到大陸後失蹤了，失蹤喔！","quality":0.575},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:42:39+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:42:51.727273+08:00","text":"有人說他是刑事犯罪，有人說他被統戰之後就被收押，有人說他莫名其妙在大陸失蹤，請問署長有掌握到這樣的訊息嗎？","quality":0.531},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:42:53.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:43:15.600000+08:00","text":"因為我們臺南市傳聞很多，有人說他被關在深圳羅湖的監獄，有人說他去大陸旅遊後失聯，也有人說他卡到刑事案件，到底是怎麼樣，你有了解嗎？","quality":0.678},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:43:16+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:43:17.500000+08:00","text":"有掌握嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-29T11:43:18+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:43:25.846154+08:00","text":"沒有，委員說的那個個案我不清楚，因為如果有透過我們警方報案……","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:43:26+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:43:27.666667+08:00","text":"那這個你比較不了解……","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-29T11:43:27.666667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-29T11:43:28.666667+08:00","text":"對，要有來報案，我才會知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:43:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:43:32.750000+08:00","text":"你了解的部分是因為那個區域你很熟，我是怕你有聽到這個傳聞……","quality":0.704},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-07-29T11:43:33+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:43:36.666667+08:00","text":"你現在說這個天馬行空……來！來！","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:43:37+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:43:42.714286+08:00","text":"這不是天馬行空，網路上傳的……主委，你知道嗎？","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-07-29T11:43:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:43:46.777778+08:00","text":"委員如果有案件，可以交給我們，我們再來了解。","quality":0.526},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:43:47+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:43:48.600000+08:00","text":"我有發文給你們啊！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-07-29T11:43:49+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:43:50.714286+08:00","text":"欸，我們同仁有沒有接到……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:43:51+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:43:52.600000+08:00","text":"我有發文給你們啊！有喔！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-07-29T11:43:53+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:43:54.333333+08:00","text":"那我們……","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:43:55+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:44:02.200000+08:00","text":"貴黨的高階幹部，是很高級的中央高階幹部的親屬耶！","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-07-29T11:44:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:44:15.750000+08:00","text":"好，我們會循兩岸共打機制向對岸詢問，同時，如果委員可以的話，可以跟家屬講……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:44:16+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-29T11:44:16.571429+08:00","text":"不是啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員龍介","start":"2026-07-29T11:44:16.857143+08:00","guessed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