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檢查時才跟人家說，我們本來就有這個刀子的配備，你們要先去告訴他們有哪幾族需要帶……","quality":0.607},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T09:41:39.941176+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:41:41.823529+08:00","text":"有些族群的配刀是一個很慎重的禮節。對。","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T09:41:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:41:48.866667+08:00","text":"就是要透過配刀，表示這個人已經成長，可以保護部落，我想它在文化上有不同的涵義。對啦！","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T09:41:49+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:41:57+08:00","text":"所以這部分是需要大家多去理解，要不然以後這樣的事情，我覺得還會發生。對！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:41:57.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:42:06.833333+08:00","text":"副主委，這個就是重點，如果沒有說清楚，沒有讓人家了解，大家會想帶這個要做什麼，是要帶來吵架，還是做什麼？","quality":0.578},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:42:09+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:42:12.400000+08:00","text":"就是要讓人家了解，也讓人覺得有一個尊重。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:42:17+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:42:22.600000+08:00","text":"你知道現在要怎麼去跟警政署講比較好嗎？","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:42:23+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:42:24.600000+08:00","text":"還是不知道？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:42:26+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:42:36.666667+08:00","text":"還沒上課、還沒做什麼，一樣是下次遇到帶著一支刀子的，警政署警員還是會來盤查嗎？","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T09:42:37+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:42:46.600000+08:00","text":"我們主動跟他們聯絡，看看全民原教的部分是不是需要會裡面一些專家學者來做這方面的溝通跟宣導。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:42:47+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:43:00.666667+08:00","text":"副主委，我們不是被動的，而是要先去跟人家講，而不是發生事情時才說這是本來就該帶的，這樣也不好，大家互相尊重才是最重要的。是。","quality":0.691},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:43:01.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:43:23.666667+08:00","text":"副主委，本席跟你探討一個有關資訊傳播的問題，在107年你們有說資訊轉播站有20個，但是實際領錢又做到好的，到目前為止只有3座而已，這是什麼原因？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:43:23.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:43:24.866667+08:00","text":"你是不是可以說一下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T09:43:27.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:43:46.666667+08:00","text":"資訊傳播基地臺的建置，我們計畫是要37個，已經完成32個，已經有執照了，另外5個事實上是有一些環境、地形、地貌的問題，或是說地質的問題，還有一些土地管制，所以沒有辦法如期完成。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T09:43:47+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:43:57.444444+08:00","text":"這個部分我們也在想其他方式，是不是跟在地廣播業者合作，甚至是租用，或是配合他們既有的設施，一併把覆蓋率再提升。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T09:43:57.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:44:08.866667+08:00","text":"所以後續相關工程，當然我們儘可能克服、能夠完成，如果不行，我們就會朝這個方向，或者是重新再研議看用什麼方式處理後面沒有辦法達成的目標。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:44:09.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:44:28.666667+08:00","text":"副主委，在原住民的地區，資訊傳播對他們來說非常重要，有的人住在深山裡，還有人住在這麼高的山上，他們都是靠廣播在聽訊息的。對。","quality":0.473},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:44:29+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:44:36.666667+08:00","text":"所以在這個過程當中，本席會覺得為什麼……我們的目標是37個。對。","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:44:37+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:44:47+08:00","text":"在37個當中可以領錢又可以做到好的，到目前有幾個？32個。","quality":0.591},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:44:49+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:44:50.750000+08:00","text":"剩下的要怎麼處理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T09:44:51.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:45:26.846154+08:00","text":"我們現在針對那5個還沒有辦法完成的，另外有開一些工程會報，甚至有一些在軟體上是不是要再重新招標，我們都在做一些處理，也希望借助既有設施，比如說有一些地方在地已經有那些發射臺，或是說有他們的一些……我們可以跟他們合作，不要自己再去建，看能不能先用這種比較能夠達成目標的方式來促成涵蓋率達到百分之百，因為資訊的傳達非常重要，如果有天災要通知，就是有百分之二十的人收不到這個訊息。對啊！","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:45:26.846154+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T09:45:27.846154+08:00","text":"那是最重要的事。","quality":0},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T09:45:27+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:45:30.800000+08:00","text":"我想這是一個我們要趕快解決的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:45:32.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:45:46.666667+08:00","text":"副主委，本席要跟你說的就是有時候在深山裡有的人都沒辦法收到訊號，就算發生什麼事情，他們也沒辦法接到，更何況你們只剩下幾個的話，你們要去突破啊！","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:45:46.666667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T09:45:47.666667+08:00","text":"好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T09:45:47.666667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T09:45:48.666667+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:45:47+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:46:00.500000+08:00","text":"因為我覺得這對原住民來說非常重要，他們都住在比較深山裡，或是靠海，所以這對他們來說非常重要。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:46:03+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:46:14.714286+08:00","text":"我們原住民不管是哪一族，不管現在在做什麼，最主要的是我們的傳播一定要到位，不是在那邊說……你看，從107年到現在……","quality":0.787},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T09:46:14.714286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T09:46:15.857143+08:00","text":"我知道、我知道！","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:46:15.857143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:46:16.714286+08:00","text":"副主委，要加加油啦！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T09:46:16.714286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T09:46:17.714286+08:00","text":"好不好？以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T09:46:17+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T09:46:18+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T09:46:18.500000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T09:46:21.928571+08:00","text":"下一位請黃捷委員發言質詢。","quality":0}]},"gazette":{"lineno":385,"blocks":[["王委員美惠：（9時38分）主席，請副主委。"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：委員好。"],["王委員美惠：副主委早。副主委，本席先跟你探討一下，有關7月8日阿美族活動的時候，阿美族的制服裡都會配有一把刀子，在這個過程當中，我們警政署也有表示要改進，如果上課的時候需要教導他們，在阿美族等原住民族裡，他會配戴刀子，而在這過程當中，跟警察誤會很深，覺得他是要去吵架才帶刀子，不過就阿美族來說，他的制服裡面就會配戴一把刀子，在這過程當中，阿美族這些原住民很生氣，覺得不夠尊重他們。副主委，你是不是可以來解釋那天發生的狀況及未來你要怎麼改善？請副主委回答一下。"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：我想那天發生這件事情是蠻遺憾的，因為在原住民的豐年季來講，原則上整套服裝的配備，那天看起來是非常完整，事實上，那個禮刀是一個標準的配備，這不是只有阿美族有，各族群可能都有這樣的現象……"],["王委員美惠：對，好幾個原住民族都有配戴刀子。"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：但是發生這樣的事情，我想我們在政策上的全民原教還要加強，就是讓各個族群，甚至我們的行政機關都要了解原住民族本身的文化、服飾、圖騰及各方面的運用都要尊重。針對這個部分，我們會再跟相關單位持續地再來宣導。"],["王委員美惠：因為在這個過程當中，有的人不知道阿美族的制服裡面會配戴一把刀子，警察看到在那邊好像在吵架，還帶有刀子，警察也會怕，配戴刀子非常危險，所以兩方面才會誤會如此之深。不是像副主委說的，我們需要什麼，是我們應該針對哪一族有配戴刀子或有配戴什麼配備的，要讓行政人員像警衛室那邊知道他配戴的刀子是他本身就有的，並不是帶進來吵架的。副主委，你知道嗎？"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：其實那個配刀對原住民來講，它是生活上所必須用的工具。"],["王委員美惠：對啊！"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：事實上，在槍砲彈藥刀械管制條例，我們原住民的配刀並不是管制的種類。"],["王委員美惠：不是管制，不過對警察來說，他們會覺得……"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：對啦！可能他們覺得危險啦！"],["王委員美惠：帶著刀子在外活動就是不對的，還危險！他們不知道好幾個族都會配備刀子。副主委，本席跟你探討的就是，未來不是人家來檢查時才跟人家說，我們本來就有這個刀子的配備，你們要先去告訴他們有哪幾族需要帶……"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：有些族群的配刀是一個很慎重的禮節。"],["王委員美惠：對。"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：就是要透過配刀，表示這個人已經成長，可以保護部落，我想它在文化上有不同的涵義。"],["王委員美惠：對啦！"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：所以這部分是需要大家多去理解，要不然以後這樣的事情，我覺得還會發生。"],["王委員美惠：對！副主委，這個就是重點，如果沒有說清楚，沒有讓人家了解，大家會想帶這個要做什麼，是要帶來吵架，還是做什麼？就是要讓人家了解，也讓人覺得有一個尊重。你知道現在要怎麼去跟警政署講比較好嗎？還是不知道？還沒上課、還沒做什麼，一樣是下次遇到帶著一支刀子的，警政署警員還是會來盤查嗎？"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：我們主動跟他們聯絡，看看全民原教的部分是不是需要會裡面一些專家學者來做這方面的溝通跟宣導。"],["王委員美惠：副主委，我們不是被動的，而是要先去跟人家講，而不是發生事情時才說這是本來就該帶的，這樣也不好，大家互相尊重才是最重要的。"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：是。"],["王委員美惠：副主委，本席跟你探討一個有關資訊傳播的問題，在107年你們有說資訊轉播站有20個，但是實際領錢又做到好的，到目前為止只有3座而已，這是什麼原因？你是不是可以說一下？"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：資訊傳播基地臺的建置，我們計畫是要37個，已經完成32個，已經有執照了，另外5個事實上是有一些環境、地形、地貌的問題，或是說地質的問題，還有一些土地管制，所以沒有辦法如期完成。這個部分我們也在想其他方式，是不是跟在地廣播業者合作，甚至是租用，或是配合他們既有的設施，一併把覆蓋率再提升。所以後續相關工程，當然我們儘可能克服、能夠完成，如果不行，我們就會朝這個方向，或者是重新再研議看用什麼方式處理後面沒有辦法達成的目標。"],["王委員美惠：副主委，在原住民的地區，資訊傳播對他們來說非常重要，有的人住在深山裡，還有人住在這麼高的山上，他們都是靠廣播在聽訊息的。"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：對。"],["王委員美惠：所以在這個過程當中，本席會覺得為什麼……我們的目標是37個。"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：對。"],["王委員美惠：在37個當中可以領錢又可以做到好的，到目前有幾個？"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：32個。"],["王委員美惠：剩下的要怎麼處理？"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：我們現在針對那5個還沒有辦法完成的，另外有開一些工程會報，甚至有一些在軟體上是不是要再重新招標，我們都在做一些處理，也希望借助既有設施，比如說有一些地方在地已經有那些發射臺，或是說有他們的一些……我們可以跟他們合作，不要自己再去建，看能不能先用這種比較能夠達成目標的方式來促成涵蓋率達到百分之百，因為資訊的傳達非常重要，如果有天災要通知，就是有百分之二十的人收不到這個訊息。"],["王委員美惠：對啊！那是最重要的事。"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：我想這是一個我們要趕快解決的問題。"],["王委員美惠：副主委，本席要跟你說的就是有時候在深山裡有的人都沒辦法收到訊號，就算發生什麼事情，他們也沒辦法接到，更何況你們只剩下幾個的話，你們要去突破啊！好不好？"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：好，謝謝。"],["王委員美惠：因為我覺得這對原住民來說非常重要，他們都住在比較深山裡，或是靠海，所以這對他們來說非常重要。我們原住民不管是哪一族，不管現在在做什麼，最主要的是我們的傳播一定要到位，不是在那邊說……你看，從107年到現在……"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：我知道、我知道！"],["王委員美惠：副主委，要加加油啦！好不好？以上。"],["杜副主任委員張梅莊：好，謝謝委員。"],["主席：下一位請黃捷委員發言質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":152,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-15-21","speakers":["廖先翔","蘇巧慧","許忠信","王美惠","黃捷","張宏陸","高金素梅","林宜瑾","吳琪銘","鄭天財Sra 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