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謝謝段先生委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:07:00+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:07:01.571429+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:07:02.095238+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:07:10.476190+08:00","text":"麻煩邀請副主委，還有瑪拉歐斯董事長。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T10:07:11+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:07:13.700000+08:00","text":"有請副主委，還有董事長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T10:07:14+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:07:14.666667+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:07:14.666667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T10:07:15.666667+08:00","text":"副主委好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:07:15.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:07:47.800000+08:00","text":"延續張宏陸委員剛剛提到的，也是我關心的，就是我們蘭嶼跟巴丹島的連結，除了單次的活動之外，我們更希望看到後續無論是民族情感持續的交流，甚至是擴大到國家整體的利益，也能夠藉由這樣子的活動去做到外交或者漁權上面的互助，能不能先就這兩方面來說明一下？","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:07:48+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:07:57.800000+08:00","text":"第一個，民族的文化交流尋根，除了這一次之外，後續有沒有一些定期的活動？","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:07:58+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:08:09.733333+08:00","text":"讓這一次的活動不是只是後續拍攝紀念影片，做個紀念，然後就沒有了，我想這應該也不是族人的期待。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:08:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:08:15.769231+08:00","text":"或者是說你們現在有沒有在爭取相關的預算，希望未來能夠做更深層的連結？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:08:16+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:08:20.750000+08:00","text":"或者說現在是我們過去，未來有沒有一些邀訪的計畫？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:08:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:08:24.875000+08:00","text":"人本來就是互相的，不能只有我們去嘛！","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:08:25+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:08:32.700000+08:00","text":"他們也來，這樣的成果才是雙方都期待看到的情感連結。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T10:08:33+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:08:40.800000+08:00","text":"我想未來原民會會運用南島文化交流中長程的計畫來爭取預算，來做跨部會資源的運用……","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:08:40.800000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T10:08:41.800000+08:00","text":"可不可以有實際一點的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T10:08:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:08:44+08:00","text":"我們會持續辦理傳統航海人才的培育。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:08:45.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:08:48.360000+08:00","text":"實際一點的方向，可能會有哪一些實際的做法？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T10:08:48.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:09:00.785714+08:00","text":"當然，跟巴丹群島的互動，我想蘭嶼的族人應該平常經常都有互動，他們之前已經把船放在他們的博物館……","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:09:01.117647+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:09:15.692308+08:00","text":"當然，那個是民間或者是本來的部分，現在是官方在協助推動，國家資源進來了，我們當然不希望國家資源只進來一次，如果說你進來一次，他們之後就可以常常交流非常密切的話，我覺得這可能有點不切實際。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:09:16+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:09:23.818182+08:00","text":"如果是國家的中長程計畫，那應該就會有一個具體想要做的事項在裡面，你才能夠編經費嘛！","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T10:09:24.142857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:09:24.857143+08:00","text":"會，我們事實上……","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:09:25+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:09:27.812500+08:00","text":"現在有沒有一些初步的構想能夠分享？","quality":1},{"speaker":"瑪拉歐斯董事長","start":"2026-07-30T10:09:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:09:43.777778+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，我們目前都全力配合原民會在原住民文化上面的推動，明年蘭嶼鄉公所也會組織一個訪問團，繼續延續這個航海。","quality":1},{"speaker":"瑪拉歐斯董事長","start":"2026-07-30T10:09:44.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:09:47.833333+08:00","text":"第二個，我們划到巴丹島之後，這艘船目前是捐給……","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:09:48+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:09:51.800000+08:00","text":"抱歉，剛剛你講蘭嶼明年會再組織一支航海……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"瑪拉歐斯董事長","start":"2026-07-30T10:09:52+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:09:52.666667+08:00","text":"鄉公所。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:09:53.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:09:55.714286+08:00","text":"鄉公所會再過去一次？對。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"瑪拉歐斯董事長","start":"2026-07-30T10:09:56.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:10:20.750000+08:00","text":"另外，因為現在船在巴丹島，明年巴丹島的省長，他也希望用那艘船能夠再划來蘭嶼，最主要我自己是蘭嶼人，我們過去都會划船過去通婚、交易農作物，所以如果能夠直航的話，我們在文化、教育、觀光的合作可能就會更密切。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:10:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:10:34.818182+08:00","text":"所以未來巴丹島跟蘭嶼之間的航行可能會變成例行性的、常態的，當然不是每天，可能是每個年度互相來訪，未來他們也有來的意願嘛？是。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"廖委員先翔","start":"2026-07-30T10:10:35+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T10:10:46.818182+08:00","t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