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50萬元，原訂兩天一夜之航程最終縮短為約三小時，並發生船體受損及未完成原定航程等情形，事後卻仍以「圓滿成功」對外宣傳，相關檢討報告亦未具體釐清決策、規劃、履約管理及究責責任。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T11:59:52.197403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:00:17.340260+08:00","text":"又「原住民族廣播電臺訊源傳輸及監控系統設備建置與相關基地台設置案」，原預計十個月內完工，歷經將近十年仍未完成，迄今亦未見原文會就契約管理、工程延宕、廠商違約、驗收控管及相關人員責任提出完整說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:00:17.640260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:00:40.497403+08:00","text":"為釐清經費用途之合法性、計畫執行是否符合政策目的及相關責任歸屬，爰請原住民族委員會及財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會於一個月內辦理下列事項，並以書面函復立法院內政委員會：","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:00:40.797403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:00:50.511688+08:00","text":"一、逐案說明預算來源、核定計畫、實際支用項目、金額及其與族語政策目的之關聯性。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:00:50.811688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:01:01.954545+08:00","text":"二、檢討各案規劃、採購、履約、驗收及督導過程，並釐清原民會、原文會、承辦人員及履約廠商之責任。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:01:02.254545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:01:11.968831+08:00","text":"三、針對履約情形、計畫延宕、執行成果未符預期及經費使用缺失情形，核實提出檢討。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:01:12.268831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:01:25.411688+08:00","text":"四、提出具體改善措施，包括經費管控、重大計畫風險評估、履約查核、資訊公開及究責機制，避免類似情形再次發生。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:01:25.711688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:01:33.711688+08:00","text":"五、請原文會說明上開一至四，請原民會說明監督原文會之改善情形。","quality":0.036},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:01:34.011688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:01:37.154545+08:00","text":"高金素梅　王鴻薇　　廖先翔二、","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:01:37.454545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:02:03.740260+08:00","text":"有鑑於原住民人口自114年至115年6月底，增加近2.6萬人，增幅約4.24%，然原住民族委員會卻未同步向行政院爭取相應之預算及人力資源，現有各項原住民族政策、福利及補助資源，恐因服務對象持續增加而遭稀釋，影響既有族人權益。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:02:04.040260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:02:30.325974+08:00","text":"又目前審議之《原住民身分法》修正草案，亦未見原民會就各項修法可能增加之原住民族人口、各項福利政策影響、所需預算規模、中央及地方政府配套措施，以及各部會應辦事項進行完整評估，恐影響後續政策推動及財政規劃。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:02:30.625974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:02:43.197403+08:00","text":"據此，爰請原住民族委員會於二個月內完成整體影響評估，並以書面送至立法院內政委員會，內容至少包括：","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:02:43.497403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:02:49.497403+08:00","text":"一、近二年原住民族人口增加情形及未來人口推估。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:02:49.797403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:02:59.225974+08:00","text":"二、西拉雅族及其他平埔原住民族群納入後，各項政策、福利及服務對象增加情形。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:02:59.525974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:03:08.383117+08:00","text":"三、《原住民身分法》修正後可能增加之人口數、各項預算需求及財政影響分析。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:03:08.683117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:03:16.968831+08:00","text":"四、各部會因新增原住民族人口應配合辦理事項、經費需求及分工規劃。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:03:17.268831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:03:24.983117+08:00","text":"五、原民會向行政院爭取新增預算及人力資源之具體規劃與期程。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:03:25.283117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:03:31.283117+08:00","text":"高金素梅　王鴻薇　　廖先翔　　鄭天財Sra Kacaw","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:03:31.583117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:03:34.440260+08:00","text":"兩案應該都溝通過了吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:03:34.740260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:03:37.597403+08:00","text":"請問提案委員要說明嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:03:37.897403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:04:01.325974+08:00","text":"有關臨時提案第2案我大概說明一下，我是覺得大家的想法很好，但是大家要審慎評估一下，我們原住民身分法修正草案如果OK的話，基層的民意代表可能會被影響到，其他的委員是不是也能夠支持？","quality":0.012},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:04:01.625974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:04:25.340260+08:00","text":"因為人口增加了，大家到了地方選舉，包括代表、議員，所以我今天的這個臨時提案就是希望原民會能夠完整地提出以下幾點，這是大家沒有想到的，包括財政的增加，我們政府行政院是不是能夠多給我們？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:04:25.640260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:04:42.497403+08:00","text":"這些如果都沒有考量到的話，我覺得修法真的會影響滿大的，以上提供這個臨時提案的一、二、三、四、五項供在場委員們參考，也請原民會參考，謝謝。","quality":0.034},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:04:42.797403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:04:46.511688+08:00","text":"主管機關就照剛才的……要回應嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:04:46.811688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:04:48.525974+08:00","text":"請李柏毅召委。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-07-30T12:04:48.825974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:04:55.111688+08:00","text":"請跟大家說明一下剛剛高金委員講的臨時提案第2案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T12:04:55.411688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:05:15.697403+08:00","text":"委員希望我們提出書面報告的評估作業，事實上所涉之事非常廣泛，我們希望是不是可以給我們再多一點的時間，因為兩個月要把這些東西規劃出來可能會有困難，可以嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:05:15.997403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:05:31.140260+08:00","text":"時間上我沒有意見，當然就是你們一定要針對這些提出完整的評估報告，我覺得你可能要問一下在場其他提案人的意見，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:05:31.440260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:05:40.011688+08:00","text":"因為今天有其他的委員要審身分法，其實這在具體上是真的會有影響的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T12:05:40.311688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:05:56.311688+08:00","text":"我們之前協調相關法案時有講過，我們大概有118個法規命令，或是法律上要做調整的，我們9月30號會回收，回收以後就看得出來哪些是要動的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:05:56.611688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:05:58.611688+08:00","text":"提案2你希望多久？","quality":0},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T12:05:58.911688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:06:01.197403+08:00","text":"對，就是提案2的部分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:06:01.497403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:06:03.497403+08:00","text":"對，你希望多久嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:06:03.797403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:06:12.083117+08:00","text":"我上面寫二個月，剛剛我提的時候你們沒有意見，所以現在是有意見嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T12:06:12.383117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:06:15.811688+08:00","text":"希望能給我們多一點的時間。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:06:16.111688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:06:21.825974+08:00","text":"好，OK，沒問題，我覺得真的是要好好評估，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T12:06:22.125974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:06:23.840260+08:00","text":"三個月好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:06:24.140260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:06:36.997403+08:00","text":"原民會要負責任地把一、二、三、四、五盡可能考慮到、想像到未來會如何，這樣的修法才是負責任的修法，好嗎？謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T12:06:37.297403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:06:38.440260+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:06:38.740260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:06:46.740260+08:00","text":"包括這還會影響到選舉，像是議員的選舉、代表的選舉，大家還記得嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:06:47.040260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:07:01.040260+08:00","text":"我們在修議員的選舉和代表的選舉時，在這個地方我們就討論了好多，光是增加一席、增加兩席就會整個影響到了好嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:07:01.340260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:07:06.768831+08:00","text":"所以我認為大家還是要負責任地來修法，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-07-30T12:07:07.068831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:07:08.211688+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-07-30T12:07:08.511688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:07:30.797403+08:00","text":"謝謝，這本來就應該要尊重高金委員這邊，而且我覺得他提出臨時提案2的內容本來也是要面對的，只是你要多少時間，我們當然也希望不要拖太久，就是尊重委員會這邊，我們就同意改三個月。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-07-30T12:07:31.097403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:08:01.668831+08:00","text":"此外，我想討論剛剛臨時提案1的內容，我想給一點建議，好像跟我剛剛質詢的想像是相反的，文化、活動、內容、成功我覺得都可以鼓勵，甚至我是有期待的，至於高金委員提出要檢討的內容，我覺得也要檢討沒錯，但是我覺得這個運動會、推廣跟製播節目計畫應該是……啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-07-30T12:08:01.968831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:08:0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Tahovecahe委員：對我來講，因為我聽起來上次的詢答跟今天的詢答，很多委員好像都很肯定，也希望有永續性、未來性，也願意在經費編列上鼓勵原民會、支持原民會。","quality":0},{"speaker":null,"start":"2026-07-30T12:08:57.354545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:09:09.925974+08:00","text":"不過看到臨時提案的內容，我其實對下方「以書面函復」以下一、二、三、四、五的部分，我個人是覺得這個沒有問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":null,"start":"2026-07-30T12:09:10.225974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:09:19.083117+08:00","text":"但是對於前面的文字能夠改一下，就像剛才大家所提到的，好像有點悖離了。","quality":0},{"speaker":null,"start":"2026-07-30T12:09:19.383117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:09:29.668831+08:00","text":"以我個人來講，就我所知道的「海路─南島語族航海計畫」，我記得好幾年前就開始協助了。","quality":0},{"speaker":null,"start":"2026-07-30T12:09:29.968831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:09:48.540260+08:00","text":"各位要了解，經費的取得是相當不容易，非常地不容易，所以才會拖這麼多年，甚至巴丹島的省長、副省長也來訪關心，最後文化部有先給錢，反而原民會是最後的。","quality":0.046},{"speaker":null,"start":"2026-07-30T12:09:48.840260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:10:07.697403+08:00","text":"因為我想說，這個是我們原住民的活動，人家文化部都已經願意支持了，原民會不支持也不行，所以我知道的是經費取得不容易，而且我也跨了10個部會協調過兩次。","quality":0},{"speaker":null,"start":"2026-07-30T12:10:07.997403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:10:33.425974+08:00","text":"航海要處理的問題其實非常多，所以對於下面要索資的部分，我覺得倒沒有什麼意見，可是我覺得前面的文字敘述，好像有一點不是那麼理想，所以我也建議有關文字修正的部分大家可以討論，我呼應李柏毅召委，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:10:33.725974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:10:53.440260+08:00","text":"對不起，我必須說清楚這個臨時提案，剛剛我們在質詢的時候，原民會教文處處長講得很清楚，這兩個活動「原住民日」跟「航海日」用的都是國家語言整體發展方案裡面的錢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:10:53.740260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:11:26.025974+08:00","text":"當然，原民會或原文會想辦的任何一個活動，我們都全力支持，但是你不能把A的錢放到B的錢去，甚至我還非常樂意支持以後針對全世界原住民的運動會，原民會就每年編公務預算，我們也幫你爭取其他部會的預算，讓它每年、每年都來做，而不是像現在你想到什麼就做什麼。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:11:26.325974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:11:45.468831+08:00","text":"誠如剛剛伍麗華委員說的，111年文化部已經要給這筆錢了，就表示很早以前就在講這個事情了，為什麼要在115年的時候用國家語言整體發展方案的錢來做這些事情呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:11:45.768831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:11:55.768831+08:00","text":"所以我不是不支持這兩個方案，這些都很好，但是希望原民會回歸到你們的預算體制。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:11:56.068831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:12:02.925974+08:00","text":"我們其實都知道國家語言整體發展方案是四年計畫，對吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:12:03.225974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:12:04.654545+08:00","text":"處長，是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:12:04.954545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:12:12.383117+08:00","text":"四年計畫的每一年你們都要跟行政院報，還是它已經要結束了？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:12:12.683117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:12:35.825974+08:00","text":"好，如果是這樣的話，你們能不能跟行政院開個會，以後所謂的海路，還有原住民的運動會，希望行政院另外編列預算給你們，而不要用族語的這個部分（國家語言整體發展方案），我覺得這是不對的，好嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:12:36.125974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:12:38.125974+08:00","text":"來，你們說明一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳處長坤昇","start":"2026-07-30T12:12:38.425974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:12:40.140260+08:00","text":"現在有第二期。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:12:40.440260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:12:41.440260+08:00","text":"很好啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:12:41.740260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:12:46.311688+08:00","text":"那跟今天的臨時提案就沒有相衝突啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:12:46.611688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:12:50.325974+08:00","text":"那透過這個提案就行了，不是嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-30T12:12:50.625974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:13:04.911688+08:00","text":"主席，我今天早上坐在這裡到現在，我有仔細聽，兩邊講完以後，我聽到林倩綺委員說明以後我才知道原來有這麼長的拖行。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-30T12:13:05.211688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:13:43.497403+08:00","text":"我現在跟各位報告，我們的祖先真的很偉大，我看這個是英文的文獻，用獨木舟（canoe）還有double hardboard，我們三百多年前的祖先要航行到巴丹，他們躺在獨木舟上，靠他的背感覺海浪，他知道這個是順流波，還是逆流撞到海島再回來的波，所以原民會太小看我們的祖先了，你貿然出海才會造成這樣子。","quality":0.052},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-30T12:13:43.797403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:14:18.083117+08:00","text":"今天我以客觀的角度，我是第三黨，這個文字可能是要對原民會有所加油一下，但是也不要過苛，因為我們太小看我們的祖先，剛才我第一個質詢的麻豆，那個麻豆就是南島語族所共用的眼睛，能夠航行到智利外海的火地島，那是用跳島的，而美軍在二次大戰就是用這個道理逆向回攻日本本土。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員忠信","start":"2026-07-30T12:14:18.383117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:14:29.811688+08:00","text":"各位我們都要知道這些祖先的歷史跟智慧，坦白講，今天兩邊講的都有道理，我們用折衷的啦！主席……","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:14:30.111688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:14:32.968831+08:00","text":"我不知道要改什麼文字。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:14:33.268831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:14:36.411688+08:00","text":"你們總是要有版本出來吧？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:14:36.711688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:14:39.568831+08:00","text":"原民會主委都說OK啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:14:39.868831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:14:41.583117+08:00","text":"所以請問一下……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T12:14:41.883117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:14:45.883117+08:00","text":"主席，是不是休息讓他們溝通看看？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:14:46.183117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:15:00.468831+08:00","text":"大家看一下臨時提案第1案，那些文字就是原民會修的，他們說沒有問題，所以不知道現在對於文字在場委員還有什麼意見？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:15:00.768831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:15:03.911688+08:00","text":"對，那是他們修的，我OK啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-07-30T12:15:04.211688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:15:06.783117+08:00","text":"主席，讓他們溝通一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":null,"start":"2026-07-30T12:15:07.083117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:15:11.940260+08:00","text":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：那是前言……","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:15:12.240260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:15:22.240260+08:00","text":"沒有，一是前言，二是事實上國家語言整體發展方案的確不是用在這裡，不可以這樣子。","quality":0},{"speaker":null,"start":"2026-07-30T12:15:22.540260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:15:31.397403+08:00","text":"鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個最重要就是語言的錢就花在族語那裡……","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:15:31.697403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:15:47.125974+08:00","text":"花在族語，而且現在我們有多少的族語老師，或者是家庭族語的發展現在都還非常的困難，你不可以拿A的錢去做B的事情，好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T12:15:47.425974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:15:50.568831+08:00","text":"主席，拜託主委去溝通一下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:15:50.868831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:15:52.297403+08:00","text":"應該很快啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:15:52.597403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:15:57.168831+08:00","text":"你們的重點就在於最後一句話而已嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:15:57.468831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:16:01.468831+08:00","text":"已有經費用途偏離原定政策目的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:16:01.768831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:16:07.768831+08:00","text":"偏離原定政策目的之疑慮，「疑慮」有什麼問題呢？對啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:16:08.068831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:16:14.354545+08:00","text":"他並不是在批評，這並不是類似譴責案這樣的概念嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:16:14.654545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:16:21.511688+08:00","text":"原民會覺得OK的話，是不是就依照原本的修正意見通過？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳處長坤昇","start":"2026-07-30T12:16:21.811688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:16:23.240260+08:00","text":"我們有修了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:16:23.540260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:16:25.825974+08:00","text":"他是修上面那一句。","quality":0},{"speaker":null,"start":"2026-07-30T12:16:26.125974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:16:42.125974+08:00","text":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：說明關聯性，因為大家都覺得有關聯性，因為這個族語推廣的經費可以連結到很多……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:16:42.425974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:16:45.568831+08:00","text":"高金委員有看過了，接受嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:16:45.868831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:16:50.440260+08:00","text":"剛剛處長說的那幾個文字我是同意啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:16:50.740260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:17:09.597403+08:00","text":"但是基本上我還是真的希望你們以後不要這麼做了，他是修成「將族語節目製播經費支應與族語推廣予以檢討，並說明其關聯性」，我覺得國家語言整體發展方案……","quality":0.03},{"speaker":null,"start":"2026-07-30T12:17:09.897403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:17:19.325974+08:00","text":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：因為直接說關聯性不太好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"高金委員素梅","start":"2026-07-30T12:17:19.625974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:17:33.054545+08:00","text":"我希望你下次不要再這樣做，這兩件事情都非常好，請你們跟行政院另外拿預算，不要拿族語的錢去用，好不好？謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:17:33.354545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:17:36.211688+08:00","text":"好，有共識的話我就宣告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T12:17:36.511688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:17:38.797403+08:00","text":"我們河洛人也支持。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:17:39.097403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:17:40.811688+08:00","text":"那議程就繼續。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員美惠","start":"2026-07-30T12:17:41.111688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:17:44.254545+08:00","text":"我們河洛人也支持原住民。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:17:44.554545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:17:47.411688+08:00","text":"第1案及第2案照修正通過。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:17:47.711688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:17:50.283117+08:00","text":"中午不休息，繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:17:50.583117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:17:57.440260+08:00","text":"登記質詢委員除不在場者外，其餘均已質詢完畢，詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:17:57.740260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:18:04.025974+08:00","text":"委員張智倫、徐欣瑩所提書面質詢列入紀錄，刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-07-30T12:18:04.325974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:18:12.897403+08:00","text":"書面質詢和未及答復部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答復，並副知本會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:18:13.197403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:18:19.768831+08:00","text":"一、關於「海路─南島語族航海計畫」安全風險與成果認定","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:18:20.068831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:18:29.211688+08:00","text":"「海路─南島語族航海計畫」以傳統造舟、航海文化復振及南島語族交流為目標。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:18:29.511688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:18:54.654545+08:00","text":"惟2026年蘭嶼至巴丹航程中，20人舟僅於出發前段進行人力划行，嗣因海況惡化，全體划手撤離至護衛船，後續主要航程由護衛船拖帶至巴丹；抵達時舟內積水、內部構件受損，經修復後始重新下水進行抵達儀式及媒體紀錄。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:18:54.954545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:19:11.811688+08:00","text":"現場人員以安全為優先之處置應予肯定，惟主管機關仍應檢討事前風險評估是否充分，以及原定航行目標未能完成後，成果認定是否流於形式。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:19:12.111688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:19:16.397403+08:00","text":"爰請原住民族委員會及文化部說明：","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:19:16.697403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:19:34.983117+08:00","text":"1.本計畫涉及巴士海峽高風險航行，主管機關於核定計畫前，是否已有獨立之海事、氣象、船舶及救援風險評估，避免文化象徵或宣傳需求凌駕參與人員安全？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:19:35.283117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:19:49.854545+08:00","text":"2.本計畫原以人力划行橫越巴士海峽為主要訴求，實際主要航程改由護衛船拖帶後，主管機關仍以何種標準認定計畫完成？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:19:50.154545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:19:56.725974+08:00","text":"船舶抵達及儀式完成，是否可等同原定航行目標已實現？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:19:57.025974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:20:17.597403+08:00","text":"3.本次航程已暴露人員撤離、船體進水及原定航行方式無法持續等問題，主管機關未來是否建立續辦、調整及退場標準，並據此重新檢視同類計畫之安全性、必要性及預算效益？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:20:17.897403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:20:24.754545+08:00","text":"二、關於族語發展預算轉作競技活動之適法性與政策效益","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:20:25.054545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:20:58.197403+08:00","text":"查本案經費係由原住民族委員會「原住民族教育推展」項下「原住民族教育協調與發展經費─國家語言整體發展方案─捐助財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會」支應；爭議之8,500萬元，係原文會補助計畫內「跨國族語節目製播」之執行細項，並非以「世界原住民族傳統運動會」名義獨立編列。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:20:58.497403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:21:09.640260+08:00","text":"114年度原民會單位預算確將相關經費編列於「原住民族教育推展」及國家語言整體發展方案項下。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:21:09.940260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:21:22.225974+08:00","text":"立法院公報所載質詢亦顯示，該案係以族語節目製播名義，實際結合競技活動、國際交流及節目製作辦理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:21:22.525974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:21:31.097403+08:00","text":"爰請原住民族委員會、文化部及財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會說明：","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:21:31.397403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:21:41.683117+08:00","text":"1.以「國家語言整體發展方案」之族語節目經費辦理競技活動，是否符合原核定計畫目的？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:21:41.983117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:21:49.697403+08:00","text":"活動、接待及宣傳支出與族語發展之直接關聯，應以何種標準認定？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:21:49.997403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:22:04.568831+08:00","text":"2.本案同時包含活動辦理、國際交流及節目製播，主管機關如何區分各項成本，避免以族語節目名義概括負擔大型活動支出？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員張智倫書面質詢",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96.3原住民族廣播電臺公布的收聽涵蓋鄉鎮清單，新竹縣關西鎮、尖石鄉及五峰鄉均列在收聽服務範圍內。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:26:00.840260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:26:19.697403+08:00","text":"這顯示上述三個鄉鎮本來就屬於原住民族廣播電臺公共服務網絡涵蓋範圍，原民會有責任提出這些地區的個別服務成果，而不能只以全國平均數字概括說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:26:19.997403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:26:25.997403+08:00","text":"尖石鄉與五峰鄉更是新竹縣原住民族主要聚居地。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:26:26.297403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:26:39.440260+08:00","text":"尖石鄉是新竹縣面積最大的行政區，主要原住民族群為泰雅族；五峰鄉主要原住民族群則包括泰雅族及賽夏族。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:26:39.740260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:26:51.740260+08:00","text":"依新竹縣政府原住民族行政處過去公布資料，全縣原住民人口約2萬人，且多數居住於尖石、五峰等原鄉。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:26:52.040260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:27:05.468831+08:00","text":"原住民族廣播在這些地區所承擔的，不只是文化節目服務，而是族語近用、地方公共資訊、災害警戒及偏鄉資訊平權。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:27:05.768831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:27:12.340260+08:00","text":"二、巴威颱風重創尖石、五峰，凸顯原鄉防災廣播的重要性","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:27:12.640260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:27:20.354545+08:00","text":"此次巴威颱風帶來強烈豪雨，新竹縣尖石鄉、五峰鄉遭受嚴重衝擊。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:27:20.654545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:27:42.940260+08:00","text":"五峰鄉122縣道曾因土石崩落而中斷；尖石鄉秀巒地區發生大規模山坡崩塌；部分縣道及鄉道路段出現坍方、落石、路基掏空及電線桿倒塌；那羅溪水位暴漲，洪水進入道路及鄰近派出所宿舍周邊。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:27:43.240260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:27:56.954545+08:00","text":"新竹縣政府因應土石流及大規模崩塌風險，曾在五峰、尖石、橫山等地撤離1,494人，開設16處收容所，實際進入收容處所者158人。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:27:57.254545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:28:06.111688+08:00","text":"當時新竹縣接獲49件災情通報，包括26件路樹倒塌及14件民生管線、電力相關災情。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:28:06.411688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:28:19.554545+08:00","text":"全臺一度發布45條土石流紅色警戒，其中新竹縣即占28條，顯示尖石、五峰原鄉正是此次災害風險最集中的地區之一。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:28:19.854545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:28:31.854545+08:00","text":"豪雨亦造成新光、秀巒、石磊、玉峰及五峰桃山等學校，因聯外道路受損、電力線路不穩定等因素停班停課。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:28:32.154545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:28:43.583117+08:00","text":"縣道120線、122線及多條鄉道一度中斷或採取機動封閉，部分地區並傳出電力、網路或一般通訊受到影響。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:28:43.883117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:28:58.168831+08:00","text":"這些災情說明，山區原鄉遭遇的不是單一道路問題，而是道路、電力、網路、行動通訊及公共服務可能同時失效的複合型災害。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:28:58.468831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:29:24.468831+08:00","text":"當道路中斷，救援及維修人員無法即時進入；當電力及行動基地臺失效，手機簡訊、LINE、社群媒體及政府網站就可能無法使用；當部落長者不熟悉智慧型手機或中文行政用語，資訊即使發布，也未必能被即時接收及理解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:29:24.768831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:29:30.197403+08:00","text":"此時，FM廣播正應成為災害資訊的備援管道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:29:30.497403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:29:50.497403+08:00","text":"原住民族廣播電臺若能持續運作，即可透過車用收音機、電池式收音機或部落公共廣播設備，反覆播送撤離、封路、土石流警戒、收容處所、停班停課、醫療救援及物資配送資訊。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:29:50.797403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:30:03.940260+08:00","text":"但前提是，轉播站本身不能在災害中失效，並且必須具有備援電力、替代訊源、遠端監控、緊急插播及族語播報能力。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:30:04.240260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:30:10.811688+08:00","text":"三、原民會報告最大的問題，是只證明「建置」，沒有證明「可用」","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:30:11.111688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:30:21.397403+08:00","text":"原民會在報告中提出電波涵蓋率82%、原住民族人口涵蓋率78%，表面上看來已有相當成果。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:30:21.697403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:30:28.840260+08:00","text":"但國會及原鄉居民真正需要知道的，不是全國平均數字，而是：","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:30:29.140260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:30:33.140260+08:00","text":"尖石鄉各部落是否都能清楚收聽？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:30:33.440260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:30:38.583117+08:00","text":"五峰鄉各村及山谷地區是否仍有訊號死角？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:30:38.883117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:30:45.454545+08:00","text":"關西鎮列入涵蓋範圍後，實際服務區域及訊號品質為何？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:30:45.754545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:30:51.183117+08:00","text":"此次巴威颱風期間，相關轉播站是否全程正常？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:30:51.483117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:30:57.768831+08:00","text":"原廣台是否即時播送新竹縣的撤離、封路及收容資訊？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐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換備援系統。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:35:48.168831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:36:01.025974+08:00","text":"如果監控系統尚未完成，即使轉播站在形式上已取得執照，總臺仍可能無法即時發現山區某座站點已經停播。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:36:01.325974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:36:10.468831+08:00","text":"對偏遠原鄉而言，故障晚發現一小時，就可能使撤離及避難資訊晚一小時抵達。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:36:10.768831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:36:16.483117+08:00","text":"六、防災廣播必須播送在地、即時且聽得懂的資訊","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:36:16.783117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:36:25.354545+08:00","text":"原廣台若要真正具有防災功能，不能只播送全國性颱風新聞或氣象資訊。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:36:25.654545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:36:33.368831+08:00","text":"尖石、五峰居民真正需要的，是可以立即採取行動的在地資訊，包括：","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:36:33.668831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:36:37.097403+08:00","text":"縣道120線、122線及鄉道哪一處封閉。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:36:37.397403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:36:42.825974+08:00","text":"哪一部落進入土石流或大規模崩塌紅色警戒。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:36:43.125974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:36:45.125974+08:00","text":"哪一部落應撤離。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:36:45.425974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:36:47.711688+08:00","text":"收容處所設於何處。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:36:48.011688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:36:50.583117+08:00","text":"哪一條道路仍可通行。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:36:50.883117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:36:53.168831+08:00","text":"哪些學校停班停課。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:36:53.468831+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:36:57.183117+08:00","text":"哪些地區停電、斷水或通訊中斷。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:36:57.483117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:37:00.625974+08:00","text":"緊急醫療及物資如何聯繫。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:37:00.925974+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:37:02.640260+08:00","text":"警戒何時解除。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:37:02.940260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:37:06.940260+08:00","text":"此外，防災資訊不能只有中文版本。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:37:07.240260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:37:14.383117+08:00","text":"尖石鄉以泰雅族居民為主，五峰鄉則有泰雅族及賽夏族居民。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:37:14.683117+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:37:26.397403+08:00","text":"部分高齡族人對族語的理解速度及熟悉程度高於中文，部落傳統地名與行政地名也可能有所不同。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:37:26.697403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:37:31.840260+08:00","text":"防災族語不是文化點綴，而是生命安全措施。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:37:32.140260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:37:50.140260+08:00","text":"原民會及原文會應建立泰雅語、賽夏語防災詞庫、部落地名對照、緊急播報模板及族語主播輪值機制，確保警戒發布後，可以在最短時間內完成翻譯及播送。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:37:50.440260+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:37:53.011688+08:00","text":"七、具體質詢要求事項","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:37:53.311688+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:37:57.597403+08:00","text":"(一)關於新竹縣三鄉鎮實際涵蓋狀況","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-07-30T12:37:57.897403+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-07-30T12:38:08.468831+08:00","text":"主委，原文會公開的Alian 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慮。","另「海路─南島語族航海計畫」投入3,850萬元，原訂兩天一夜之航程最終縮短為約三小時，並發生船體受損及未完成原定航程等情形，事後卻仍以「圓滿成功」對外宣傳，相關檢討報告亦未具體釐清決策、規劃、履約管理及究責責任。","又「原住民族廣播電臺訊源傳輸及監控系統設備建置與相關基地台設置案」，原預計十個月內完工，歷經將近十年仍未完成，迄今亦未見原文會就契約管理、工程延宕、廠商違約、驗收控管及相關人員責任提出完整說明。","為釐清經費用途之合法性、計畫執行是否符合政策目的及相關責任歸屬，爰請原住民族委員會及財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會於一個月內辦理下列事項，並以書面函復立法院內政委員會：","一、逐案說明預算來源、核定計畫、實際支用項目、金額及其與族語政策目的之關聯性。","二、檢討各案規劃、採購、履約、驗收及督導過程，並釐清原民會、原文會、承辦人員及履約廠商之責任。","三、針對履約情形、計畫延宕、執行成果未符預期及經費使用缺失情形，核實提出檢討。","四、提出具體改善措施，包括經費管控、重大計畫風險評估、履約查核、資訊公開及究責機制，避免類似情形再次發生。","五、請原文會說明上開一至四，請原民會說明監督原文會之改善情形。","提案人：高金素梅　王鴻薇　　廖先翔","二、","有鑑於原住民人口自114年至115年6月底，增加近2.6萬人，增幅約4.24%，然原住民族委員會卻未同步向行政院爭取相應之預算及人力資源，現有各項原住民族政策、福利及補助資源，恐因服務對象持續增加而遭稀釋，影響既有族人權益。","又目前審議之《原住民身分法》修正草案，亦未見原民會就各項修法可能增加之原住民族人口、各項福利政策影響、所需預算規模、中央及地方政府配套措施，以及各部會應辦事項進行完整評估，恐影響後續政策推動及財政規劃。","據此，爰請原住民族委員會於二個月內完成整體影響評估，並以書面送至立法院內政委員會，內容至少包括：","一、近二年原住民族人口增加情形及未來人口推估。","二、西拉雅族及其他平埔原住民族群納入後，各項政策、福利及服務對象增加情形。","三、《原住民身分法》修正後可能增加之人口數、各項預算需求及財政影響分析。","四、各部會因新增原住民族人口應配合辦理事項、經費需求及分工規劃。","五、原民會向行政院爭取新增預算及人力資源之具體規劃與期程。","提案人：高金素梅　王鴻薇　　廖先翔　　鄭天財Sra 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Tahovecahe委員：對我來講，因為我聽起來上次的詢答跟今天的詢答，很多委員好像都很肯定，也希望有永續性、未來性，也願意在經費編列上鼓勵原民會、支持原民會。不過看到臨時提案的內容，我其實對下方「以書面函復」以下一、二、三、四、五的部分，我個人是覺得這個沒有問題。但是對於前面的文字能夠改一下，就像剛才大家所提到的，好像有點悖離了。以我個人來講，就我所知道的「海路─南島語族航海計畫」，我記得好幾年前就開始協助了。","各位要了解，經費的取得是相當不容易，非常地不容易，所以才會拖這麼多年，甚至巴丹島的省長、副省長也來訪關心，最後文化部有先給錢，反而原民會是最後的。因為我想說，這個是我們原住民的活動，人家文化部都已經願意支持了，原民會不支持也不行，所以我知道的是經費取得不容易，而且我也跨了10個部會協調過兩次。","航海要處理的問題其實非常多，所以對於下面要索資的部分，我覺得倒沒有什麼意見，可是我覺得前面的文字敘述，好像有一點不是那麼理想，所以我也建議有關文字修正的部分大家可以討論，我呼應李柏毅召委，謝謝。"],["高金委員素梅：對不起，我必須說清楚這個臨時提案，剛剛我們在質詢的時候，原民會教文處處長講得很清楚，這兩個活動「原住民日」跟「航海日」用的都是國家語言整體發展方案裡面的錢。當然，原民會或原文會想辦的任何一個活動，我們都全力支持，但是你不能把A的錢放到B的錢去，甚至我還非常樂意支持以後針對全世界原住民的運動會，原民會就每年編公務預算，我們也幫你爭取其他部會的預算，讓它每年、每年都來做，而不是像現在你想到什麼就做什麼。","誠如剛剛伍麗華委員說的，111年文化部已經要給這筆錢了，就表示很早以前就在講這個事情了，為什麼要在115年的時候用國家語言整體發展方案的錢來做這些事情呢？所以我不是不支持這兩個方案，這些都很好，但是希望原民會回歸到你們的預算體制。我們其實都知道國家語言整體發展方案是四年計畫，對吧？處長，是不是？四年計畫的每一年你們都要跟行政院報，還是它已經要結束了？","好，如果是這樣的話，你們能不能跟行政院開個會，以後所謂的海路，還有原住民的運動會，希望行政院另外編列預算給你們，而不要用族語的這個部分（國家語言整體發展方案），我覺得這是不對的，好嗎？來，你們說明一下。"],["陳處長坤昇：現在有第二期。"],["高金委員素梅：很好啊！那跟今天的臨時提案就沒有相衝突啊！那透過這個提案就行了，不是嗎？"],["許委員忠信：主席，我今天早上坐在這裡到現在，我有仔細聽，兩邊講完以後，我聽到林倩綺委員說明以後我才知道原來有這麼長的拖行。","我現在跟各位報告，我們的祖先真的很偉大，我看這個是英文的文獻，用獨木舟（canoe）還有double hardboard，我們三百多年前的祖先要航行到巴丹，他們躺在獨木舟上，靠他的背感覺海浪，他知道這個是順流波，還是逆流撞到海島再回來的波，所以原民會太小看我們的祖先了，你貿然出海才會造成這樣子。","今天我以客觀的角度，我是第三黨，這個文字可能是要對原民會有所加油一下，但是也不要過苛，因為我們太小看我們的祖先，剛才我第一個質詢的麻豆，那個麻豆就是南島語族所共用的眼睛，能夠航行到智利外海的火地島，那是用跳島的，而美軍在二次大戰就是用這個道理逆向回攻日本本土。各位我們都要知道這些祖先的歷史跟智慧，坦白講，今天兩邊講的都有道理，我們用折衷的啦！"],["王委員美惠：主席……"],["高金委員素梅：我不知道要改什麼文字。"],["主席：你們總是要有版本出來吧？"],["高金委員素梅：原民會主委都說OK啊！所以請問一下……"],["王委員美惠：主席，是不是休息讓他們溝通看看？"],["高金委員素梅：大家看一下臨時提案第1案，那些文字就是原民會修的，他們說沒有問題，所以不知道現在對於文字在場委員還有什麼意見？對，那是他們修的，我OK啊！"],["張委員宏陸：主席，讓他們溝通一下。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：那是前言……"],["高金委員素梅：沒有，一是前言，二是事實上國家語言整體發展方案的確不是用在這裡，不可以這樣子。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：這個最重要就是語言的錢就花在族語那裡……"],["高金委員素梅：花在族語，而且現在我們有多少的族語老師，或者是家庭族語的發展現在都還非常的困難，你不可以拿A的錢去做B的事情，好不好？"],["王委員美惠：主席，拜託主委去溝通一下。"],["主席：應該很快啦！你們的重點就在於最後一句話而已嘛！已有經費用途偏離原定政策目的……"],["高金委員素梅：偏離原定政策目的之疑慮，「疑慮」有什麼問題呢？"],["主席：對啊！他並不是在批評，這並不是類似譴責案這樣的概念嘛！原民會覺得OK的話，是不是就依照原本的修正意見通過？"],["陳處長坤昇：我們有修了。"],["高金委員素梅：他是修上面那一句。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：說明關聯性，因為大家都覺得有關聯性，因為這個族語推廣的經費可以連結到很多……"],["主席：高金委員有看過了，接受嗎？"],["高金委員素梅：剛剛處長說的那幾個文字我是同意啦！但是基本上我還是真的希望你們以後不要這麼做了，他是修成「將族語節目製播經費支應與族語推廣予以檢討，並說明其關聯性」，我覺得國家語言整體發展方案……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：因為直接說關聯性不太好。"],["高金委員素梅：我希望你下次不要再這樣做，這兩件事情都非常好，請你們跟行政院另外拿預算，不要拿族語的錢去用，好不好？謝謝。"],["主席：好，有共識的話我就宣告。"],["王委員美惠：我們河洛人也支持。"],["主席：那議程就繼續。"],["王委員美惠：我們河洛人也支持原住民。"],["主席：第1案及第2案照修正通過。","中午不休息，繼續開會。","登記質詢委員除不在場者外，其餘均已質詢完畢，詢答結束。委員張智倫、徐欣瑩所提書面質詢列入紀錄，刊登公報。書面質詢和未及答復部分請相關單位於一週內以書面答復，並副知本會。"],["委員張智倫書面質詢：","一、關於「海路─南島語族航海計畫」安全風險與成果認定","「海路─南島語族航海計畫」以傳統造舟、航海文化復振及南島語族交流為目標。惟2026年蘭嶼至巴丹航程中，20人舟僅於出發前段進行人力划行，嗣因海況惡化，全體划手撤離至護衛船，後續主要航程由護衛船拖帶至巴丹；抵達時舟內積水、內部構件受損，經修復後始重新下水進行抵達儀式及媒體紀錄。","現場人員以安全為優先之處置應予肯定，惟主管機關仍應檢討事前風險評估是否充分，以及原定航行目標未能完成後，成果認定是否流於形式。爰請原住民族委員會及文化部說明：","1.本計畫涉及巴士海峽高風險航行，主管機關於核定計畫前，是否已有獨立之海事、氣象、船舶及救援風險評估，避免文化象徵或宣傳需求凌駕參與人員安全？","2.本計畫原以人力划行橫越巴士海峽為主要訴求，實際主要航程改由護衛船拖帶後，主管機關仍以何種標準認定計畫完成？船舶抵達及儀式完成，是否可等同原定航行目標已實現？","3.本次航程已暴露人員撤離、船體進水及原定航行方式無法持續等問題，主管機關未來是否建立續辦、調整及退場標準，並據此重新檢視同類計畫之安全性、必要性及預算效益？","二、關於族語發展預算轉作競技活動之適法性與政策效益","查本案經費係由原住民族委員會「原住民族教育推展」項下「原住民族教育協調與發展經費─國家語言整體發展方案─捐助財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會」支應；爭議之8,500萬元，係原文會補助計畫內「跨國族語節目製播」之執行細項，並非以「世界原住民族傳統運動會」名義獨立編列。114年度原民會單位預算確將相關經費編列於「原住民族教育推展」及國家語言整體發展方案項下。","立法院公報所載質詢亦顯示，該案係以族語節目製播名義，實際結合競技活動、國際交流及節目製作辦理。","爰請原住民族委員會、文化部及財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會說明：","1.以「國家語言整體發展方案」之族語節目經費辦理競技活動，是否符合原核定計畫目的？活動、接待及宣傳支出與族語發展之直接關聯，應以何種標準認定？","2.本案同時包含活動辦理、國際交流及節目製播，主管機關如何區分各項成本，避免以族語節目名義概括負擔大型活動支出？","3.未來如確有辦理世界原住民族傳統運動會之政策需求，是否應另立計畫、另編預算，而非持續由族語發展或節目製播經費支應？","三、關於原住民族廣播電臺設備建置之實質效能","原住民族廣播電臺訊源傳輸、監控系統及基地台建置，目的在保障原鄉及偏遠地區之媒體近用權。設備完成採購、安裝及資產入帳，不代表實際收聽品質已獲改善；如成果認定仍停留在設備交貨及工程完成，即可能出現帳面完成、服務未實現之問題。","爰請原住民族委員會、國家通訊傳播委員會及財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會說明：","1.訊源傳輸、監控系統及基地台之成果認定，究竟以設備完成安裝為準，或以原鄉實際訊號涵蓋、收聽品質及系統穩定度為準？","2.設備如因地形、設址、傳輸或維護問題，長期未能啟用或效能不足，主管機關是否建立改善、減損及責任檢討機制，避免設備持續列帳卻未提供實際服務？","3.原民會、國家通訊傳播委員會及原文會分別負責預算、監理、建置及營運，是否已有單一績效責任機制？最終由哪一機關確保對原鄉收聽品質負責？"],["委員徐欣瑩書面質詢：","質詢主題：原住民族廣播電臺訊源傳輸及監控系統設備建置，應全面檢驗新竹縣尖石、五峰及關西地區的實際涵蓋與防災韌性","一、問題背景","原住民族廣播電臺不只是族語文化傳播媒體，也應是偏遠原鄉公共資訊與防救災通訊體系的重要一環。","原住民族委員會於本次專案報告中指出，「原住民族廣播電臺設置第二期修正計畫」原規劃設置37座轉播站，截至115年6月30日已完成32座並取得電臺執照，電波涵蓋率約為82%，原住民族人口涵蓋率約為78%。第二期修正計畫總經費為新臺幣7億5,318萬3,000元，累計支用6億1,950萬8,000元，執行率為82.25%。另訊源傳輸及監控系統設備採購案決標金額為1,136萬元，目前核銷551萬3,439元。","然而，這份報告主要呈現的是全國性的站數、經費及平均涵蓋率，並未逐縣市、逐鄉鎮、逐轉播站說明實際完成狀態，更未說明在重大災害期間，系統是否可以持續運作、即時傳播在地資訊，以及各部落是否真的聽得到、聽得懂。","對新竹縣而言，本案不是抽象的全國性建設，而具有明確、直接的地理與公共安全關聯。","依原住民族文化事業基金會Alian 96.3原住民族廣播電臺公布的收聽涵蓋鄉鎮清單，新竹縣關西鎮、尖石鄉及五峰鄉均列在收聽服務範圍內。這顯示上述三個鄉鎮本來就屬於原住民族廣播電臺公共服務網絡涵蓋範圍，原民會有責任提出這些地區的個別服務成果，而不能只以全國平均數字概括說明。","尖石鄉與五峰鄉更是新竹縣原住民族主要聚居地。尖石鄉是新竹縣面積最大的行政區，主要原住民族群為泰雅族；五峰鄉主要原住民族群則包括泰雅族及賽夏族。依新竹縣政府原住民族行政處過去公布資料，全縣原住民人口約2萬人，且多數居住於尖石、五峰等原鄉。原住民族廣播在這些地區所承擔的，不只是文化節目服務，而是族語近用、地方公共資訊、災害警戒及偏鄉資訊平權。","二、巴威颱風重創尖石、五峰，凸顯原鄉防災廣播的重要性","此次巴威颱風帶來強烈豪雨，新竹縣尖石鄉、五峰鄉遭受嚴重衝擊。","五峰鄉122縣道曾因土石崩落而中斷；尖石鄉秀巒地區發生大規模山坡崩塌；部分縣道及鄉道路段出現坍方、落石、路基掏空及電線桿倒塌；那羅溪水位暴漲，洪水進入道路及鄰近派出所宿舍周邊。","新竹縣政府因應土石流及大規模崩塌風險，曾在五峰、尖石、橫山等地撤離1,494人，開設16處收容所，實際進入收容處所者158人。當時新竹縣接獲49件災情通報，包括26件路樹倒塌及14件民生管線、電力相關災情。全臺一度發布45條土石流紅色警戒，其中新竹縣即占28條，顯示尖石、五峰原鄉正是此次災害風險最集中的地區之一。","豪雨亦造成新光、秀巒、石磊、玉峰及五峰桃山等學校，因聯外道路受損、電力線路不穩定等因素停班停課。縣道120線、122線及多條鄉道一度中斷或採取機動封閉，部分地區並傳出電力、網路或一般通訊受到影響。","這些災情說明，山區原鄉遭遇的不是單一道路問題，而是道路、電力、網路、行動通訊及公共服務可能同時失效的複合型災害。","當道路中斷，救援及維修人員無法即時進入；當電力及行動基地臺失效，手機簡訊、LINE、社群媒體及政府網站就可能無法使用；當部落長者不熟悉智慧型手機或中文行政用語，資訊即使發布，也未必能被即時接收及理解。","此時，FM廣播正應成為災害資訊的備援管道。","原住民族廣播電臺若能持續運作，即可透過車用收音機、電池式收音機或部落公共廣播設備，反覆播送撤離、封路、土石流警戒、收容處所、停班停課、醫療救援及物資配送資訊。","但前提是，轉播站本身不能在災害中失效，並且必須具有備援電力、替代訊源、遠端監控、緊急插播及族語播報能力。","三、原民會報告最大的問題，是只證明「建置」，沒有證明「可用」","原民會在報告中提出電波涵蓋率82%、原住民族人口涵蓋率78%，表面上看來已有相當成果。","但國會及原鄉居民真正需要知道的，不是全國平均數字，而是：","尖石鄉各部落是否都能清楚收聽？","五峰鄉各村及山谷地區是否仍有訊號死角？","關西鎮列入涵蓋範圍後，實際服務區域及訊號品質為何？","此次巴威颱風期間，相關轉播站是否全程正常？","原廣台是否即時播送新竹縣的撤離、封路及收容資訊？","有沒有使用泰雅語或賽夏語播送？","報告完全沒有回答這些問題。","原民會所稱82%的電波涵蓋率，也沒有說明是理論模擬或實地量測，是室外收訊或室內收訊，是以車用、手持或一般家用收音設備測試，也沒有揭露各縣市及各部落的實際涵蓋差異。","全國平均涵蓋率提高，不等於偏遠地區已獲得平等服務。","相反地，容易建置、交通便利、地形平坦的站點，往往可以較快完成並提高整體數字；最偏遠、工程最困難、災害風險最高、替代通訊最少的山區部落，反而可能成為最後才被處理的18%。","原民會不能以82%的全國平均成績，遮蔽剩餘18%究竟落在哪些地區。","如果剩下的18%正集中在尖石、五峰等深山部落，那麼這不是單純的工程尾差，而是資訊近用與生命安全的不平等。","四、尖石轉播站的建置、執照及實際運作狀態，存在應立即釐清的資料落差","依原民會109年公布的「原住民族廣播電臺設置第二期計畫」相關文件，曾記載原文會依規定提出申請，取得尖石、富里、豐濱、泰安、烏來、牡丹、和平及復興等轉播站電臺執照。","監察院過去調查原住民族廣播電臺轉播站設置進度時，也將新竹尖石列為轉播站建置項目，另將新竹五指山列為建置站點。","但是，政府文件所稱「取得電臺執照」，是否代表尖石站體、發射設備、訊源傳輸、監控系統及備援設施均已全部完成並穩定運作，仍須進一步釐清。","取得執照、完成工程、完成驗收、正式播送及具備防災韌性，是五個不同的概念。","一座轉播站即使取得執照，也可能仍有設備、機房、傳輸、電力備援或監控系統尚未完成；即使平時可以播送，也不代表在停電、坍方、光纖中斷或道路無法進入時，仍能持續運作。","原民會本次報告又承認，仍有部分轉播站及基地臺因地形、地質、土地使用、工程條件或契約履約問題持續辦理，部分站點甚至需要重新檢討工法、站址、設備修復或重新採購。","但報告沒有說明這些未完成或待改善站點是否包含新竹縣。","因此，不能逕行推論尖石、五峰或關西一定屬於已完成32座，也不能直接推論其屬尚未完成5座。原民會有義務提出分縣市、分站點及分鄉鎮明細，讓國會確認新竹縣目前的真實狀況。","五、訊源傳輸及監控系統執行進度不足，可能影響災害期間故障發現與應變","本次報告指出，訊源傳輸及監控系統採購案決標金額為1,136萬元，目前僅核銷551萬3,439元，約占決標金額48.5%。","原民會卻未說明：","哪些功能已經完成？","哪些轉播站已接入監控系統？","是否已完成全網驗收？","剩餘款項未核銷的原因為何？","是否有履約延誤或技術問題？","巴威颱風期間是否曾收到尖石、五指山或服務新竹縣地區站點的故障告警？","訊源傳輸與監控系統不是附屬工程，而是整個廣播網絡的神經中樞。","它必須即時監測各站是否正常發射、音訊是否中斷、發射功率是否異常、備援電力是否啟動、訊源傳輸是否失效，以及是否需要遠端重啟或切換備援系統。","如果監控系統尚未完成，即使轉播站在形式上已取得執照，總臺仍可能無法即時發現山區某座站點已經停播。","對偏遠原鄉而言，故障晚發現一小時，就可能使撤離及避難資訊晚一小時抵達。","六、防災廣播必須播送在地、即時且聽得懂的資訊","原廣台若要真正具有防災功能，不能只播送全國性颱風新聞或氣象資訊。","尖石、五峰居民真正需要的，是可以立即採取行動的在地資訊，包括：","縣道120線、122線及鄉道哪一處封閉。","哪一部落進入土石流或大規模崩塌紅色警戒。","哪一部落應撤離。","收容處所設於何處。","哪一條道路仍可通行。","哪些學校停班停課。","哪些地區停電、斷水或通訊中斷。","緊急醫療及物資如何聯繫。","警戒何時解除。","此外，防災資訊不能只有中文版本。","尖石鄉以泰雅族居民為主，五峰鄉則有泰雅族及賽夏族居民。部分高齡族人對族語的理解速度及熟悉程度高於中文，部落傳統地名與行政地名也可能有所不同。","防災族語不是文化點綴，而是生命安全措施。","原民會及原文會應建立泰雅語、賽夏語防災詞庫、部落地名對照、緊急播報模板及族語主播輪值機制，確保警戒發布後，可以在最短時間內完成翻譯及播送。","七、具體質詢要求事項","(一)關於新竹縣三鄉鎮實際涵蓋狀況","主委，原文會公開的Alian 96.3收聽涵蓋清單，明確列有新竹縣關西鎮、尖石鄉及五峰鄉。","請原民會明確說明：","一、這三個鄉鎮分別由哪一座或哪些轉播站提供服務？","二、是否已列入本次報告所稱32座已完成並取得執照的轉播站服務範圍？","三、如未列入，是否屬於尚未完成或仍待改善的5座站點？","四、各鄉鎮的實際電波涵蓋率及原住民族人口涵蓋率分別為多少？","五、尖石、五峰各村及主要部落是否曾完成實地收訊測試？","請勿再以82%及78%的全國平均數字回答，應提供新竹縣分鄉鎮及分部落資料。","(二)關於尖石轉播站","依政府過去文件，尖石轉播站曾被列入取得電臺執照的站點。","請原民會說明：","一、尖石轉播站取得執照日期為何？","二、站體工程完工及驗收日期為何？","三、正式播送日期為何？","四、發射功率及實際服務範圍為何？","五、目前是否全功能運作？","六、是否已完成訊源傳輸及遠端監控系統介接？","七、是否設有發電機、不斷電系統及備援訊源？"]],"agenda":{"page_end":152,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-15-21","speakers":["廖先翔","蘇巧慧","許忠信","王美惠","黃捷","張宏陸","高金素梅","林宜瑾","吳琪銘","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","李柏毅","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","鍾佳濱","盧縣一","林倩綺","王鴻薇","張智倫","徐欣瑩"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2026-07-30"],"gazette_id":"1156802","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1156802_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期內政委員會第21次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、 邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、文化部、國家通訊傳播委員會、財團法人原住民族文化事\n業基金會就「『海路－南島語族航海計畫』、『國際原住民族傳統競技文化交流族語節目（世界\n原住民族傳統運動會）』、『原住民族廣播電臺訊源傳輸及監控系統設備建置與相關基地台設\n置』等重大計畫執行進度、經費運用及成果認定檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、「原住民\n身分法」等11案：(一)繼續審查委員鄭天財 Sra Kacaw 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