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們如此恐怖的成長。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-07-30T13:53:00+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:53:16.857143+08:00","text":"所以我還是希望聽部長是不是可以明確的……然後有新思維跟新做法，不要再說要修法，該修法還是要修法，但是有些事情在行政作為上絕對是可以處理的，到底要不要承擔、要不要面對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-07-30T13:53:17.571429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:53:27.714286+08:00","text":"不只是衛福部，包含教育部、警政署、法務部，我想都是應該可以更積極以這樣的態度來面對這些事情。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-07-30T13:53:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:53:29.818182+08:00","text":"因為這個小朋友吸了多久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-07-30T13:53:30+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:53:41.428571+08:00","text":"3歲，他到底是吸了3年的二手毒煙、吸了1年還是吸了3個月，你不得而知，也很難再去追查，黑數還有多少？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-07-30T13:53:44.166667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:54:37.777778+08:00","text":"這個小朋友或許是某部部長親戚的小朋友，或許是某一個科長家裡面的成員，或許是普羅大眾的小孩，都一樣不能讓這樣的毒害持續侵襲我們臺灣幼小的小朋友，甚至於不應該再讓這樣的狀況以翻好幾倍的速度成長，尤其對教育部而言，在國小、國中則更應該像我們之前在討論整個法案的過程裡面，我也把相關資料給部長看，部長還靠進來看，怎麼吸食器可以做到好像是車上吊飾、包包吊飾的一個吸食工具，這種防不勝防的情況之下，是不是知道他在吸食？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-07-30T13:54:38+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:54:48.846154+08:00","text":"就是要馬上驗，我覺得這個多數家長絕對都一定會認同的，是不是請部長先簡單回應一下？","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-30T13:54:49+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:55:30.750000+08:00","text":"在回應委員的垂詢之前，我要先表達病主法當年是在委員力促之下能夠通過，也因為您的督促，我們在去年把它納入健保給付，大幅放寬到65歲以上的重大傷病、多重慢性病透過家醫計畫，所以簽署人數才能夠在今年上半年就簽了兩萬六千多人，您一定很清楚過去這樣的數字是要累積一、兩年才能夠達到的，我們今年已經快速的提高。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-30T13:55:31.222222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:56:04.625000+08:00","text":"我們現在的瓶頸可能是在ACP的量能，就是現在健保有給付，對象其實是很多的，當然它成長了，但是還是距離我們的目標有差距，所以怎麼樣透過這次的修法來放寬，不是放寬，而是去擴大我們ACP的量能，把這個瓶頸給打破，我想對於現在大家訴求的安樂死議題，其實我們應該先把病主法具體落實。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-30T13:56:05.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:56:15.636364+08:00","text":"安樂死的部分，俟吸收更多的聲音、大家的討論後，再來做立法上的研修，因為這個確實是……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-07-30T13:56:16+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:56:26.400000+08:00","text":"這個我要特別謝謝部長在當健保署署長的時候也積極地協助推動，坦白講，這個目標就是朝向尊嚴善終。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-07-30T13:56:27.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:56:42.833333+08:00","text":"上禮拜五我們原本病主法還要修正提升為病主法2.0，奈何出席人數不夠，不過，我們還是會儘快找時間趕快協商，當然還是再請部長予以協助。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-07-30T13:56:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:57:00+08:00","text":"如果病主法2.0可以順利三讀通過，我想民眾黨提出的尊嚴善終法應該大家是可以坐下來好好地來……不要講學習，就是大家好好的討論是不是彼此之間要努力的目標其實是一致的。對。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-30T13:57:02.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:57:24.642857+08:00","text":"至於電子煙的氾濫問題，當然也謝謝召委的安排，已經在立法院的委員會裡面我們已經有討論，現在也等待待會最後的協商，希望能夠儘快完成修法，把電子煙納入刑事處分。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"石部長崇良","start":"2026-07-30T13:57:25.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:57:54.846154+08:00","text":"至於如何落實執行，就如同剛剛委員所提，因為它的樣態實在太多，所以我們一定要以重罰的方式才足以遏止，用各種變形來混淆造成這樣，至於校園的部分，其實教育部也在擬定全面性唾液快篩要引入校園裡面，這個是不是也請署長補充？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-07-30T13:57:55+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:57:55.800000+08:00","text":"好，請署長，謝謝。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-07-30T13:57:56+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:57:56.666667+08:00","text":"我簡單補充10秒。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-07-30T13:57:57+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:58:20.833333+08:00","text":"剛剛部長都掌握得很清楚，我這邊補充校園的做法，把新興的這一個……我們會用仿真的方式及納入教材，8月份教材就會給全國，全國都用入班宣導的方式，5年級以上入班大概有五萬多班，用這種比較新的方式來讓這些新興毒品偽裝的方法得到新時代的處理，謝謝委員提醒。","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-07-30T13:58:21.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:58:25.111111+08:00","text":"署長，這個是一個作為啦，基本上我支持。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-07-30T13:58:26+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:58:33.666667+08:00","text":"但是現在有人在講可能是法規上的不完備、可能牽涉到個資、隱私等等，這不對啊！","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-07-30T13:58:34+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:59:33.727273+08:00","text":"你們自己本身在教育部就有各級學校特定人員尿液篩檢及輔導作業要點，已經有授權給學校可以對特定人員尿液篩檢，就可以即時發現這些已經被污染的學生，我們那天在委員會討論的時候部長都有聽到，可能署長那天沒有出席，但教育部代表人員也應該會非常理解，他們幾乎是綁定，喪屍煙彈跟依托咪酯已經是綁定的，所以坦白講，多數有吸食的都應該馬上去做篩檢，就可以馬上知道他到底有沒有，如果篩檢的成數多數都是有，而家長要來控訴違反個資或侵犯隱私權，我想這個不是問題之所在。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-07-30T13:59:34+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:59:42.769231+08:00","text":"一個新的毒品，倘若我們還用舊思維，沒有新做法來做相關的因應，那麼攀升的數字就會這麼恐怖。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-07-30T13:59:43.428571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:59:55.750000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員剛才所提的快篩方式，的確教育部已經在處理中；至於法制的建置，也謝謝委員剛才提供了一個很好的方向，也的確是我們在努力的方向，謝謝委員。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"劉委員建國","start":"2026-07-30T13:59:56.181818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-07-30T13:59:59.750000+08:00","text":"原本你們這邊就有訂，我剛剛特別提到了，對不對？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-07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