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ext":"總員額法本身……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:25:54.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:25:55.300000+08:00","text":"沒有嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-05T09:25:56.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:01.686667+08:00","text":"不是，配比不是在總員額法限制，總員額法是限制了我們所有的人數。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:01.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:04.671429+08:00","text":"對，但是我剛剛強調，書記官就是不夠嘛！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:04.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:05.700000+08:00","text":"對，不夠啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:06.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:09.936364+08:00","text":"很多法官甚至在幫忙書記官，這樣怎麼讓法官好好做事呢？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:10.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:11.540000+08:00","text":"都有，他們都要互相合作。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:11.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:14.533333+08:00","text":"所以我的重點是，你覺得這個配比合理嗎？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:14.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:15.860000+08:00","text":"能夠調高，我是非常感謝！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:17.122222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:19.566667+08:00","text":"你就老實說，我就給你支持嘛！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:19.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:22.033333+08:00","text":"你覺得總員額法會不會限制你？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:22.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:24.280000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，總員額法是我們的魔咒。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:24.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:25.666667+08:00","text":"好，魔咒，謝謝你。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:26.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:30.700000+08:00","text":"請問人總，為什麼要限制總員額？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:30.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:42+08:00","text":"詐騙案這麼多，地檢跟地院都要崩了，書記官累到沒人想做，你繼續砍員額，你是要讓地檢跟法院整個癱瘓掉嗎？","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:42.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:44.225000+08:00","text":"1.5倍顯然就不夠啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:47.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:49.700000+08:00","text":"人總，你們聽到這個說法嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:49.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:51.650000+08:00","text":"你聽到我談的話嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:51.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:54.314286+08:00","text":"就不夠，你怎麼在學健保那個總額啊！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:54.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:26:59.025000+08:00","text":"那個問題出很大，你這裡也在學那個總額制，你要與時俱進啊！","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"張副人事長秋元","start":"2026-08-05T09:26:59.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:27:02.645455+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實在司法員額增加的部分是……","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:27:04.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:27:07.780000+08:00","text":"你限制總員額，這件事就是框住他們，就是魔咒啊！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:27:08.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:27:12.614286+08:00","text":"老實講，今天我支持秘書長，這是魔咒啊！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:27:12.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:27:16.450000+08:00","text":"現在回到你們身上，這個魔咒要打開。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副人事長秋元","start":"2026-08-05T09:27:16.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:27:19.600000+08:00","text":"我來跟委員做報告……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:27:19.600000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T09:27:20.900000+08:00","text":"請簡單說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副人事長秋元","start":"2026-08-05T09:27:20.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:27:32.566667+08:00","text":"在各機關近十年員額增減算是比較平盤的狀態底下……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:27:32.566667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T09:27:33.566667+08:00","text":"平盤就是沒有增加。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副人事長秋元","start":"2026-08-05T09:27:32.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:27:42.566667+08:00","text":"我們最近十年增加司法機關跟檢察機關員額大概有3,000個左右，2,971個人。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:27:42.566667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T09:27:43.566667+08:00","text":"限制總額也許是個方法，但是不應該持續不改。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副人事長秋元","start":"2026-08-05T09:27:42.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:27:47.185714+08:00","text":"司法院大概增加了1,476個，檢察機關增加了1,495個。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:27:48.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:27:50.746154+08:00","text":"那個是司改，那個我很清楚，司改的時候，當時你只處理司法院，沒有處理法務部。","quality":0.406},{"speaker":"張副人事長秋元","start":"2026-08-05T09:27:50.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:28:02.718182+08:00","text":"剛剛提到目前司法機關還在考試分發或遴補中或是未運用的缺額，還有1,119個，檢察機關有478個。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:28:02.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:28:08.700000+08:00","text":"副人事長，我剛剛給你那麼多的數字，總員額的限制你好好聽，我現在跟他們站在一起。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張副人事長秋元","start":"2026-08-05T09:28:08.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:28:11.525000+08:00","text":"這個不僅是司法院的……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:28:11.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:28:21.566667+08:00","text":"我現在先麻煩司法院，秘書長，請你回去研議要多少比例，以目前的業務量，你認為多少比例是比較恰當的。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:28:21.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:28:27.566667+08:00","text":"我完全支持你，請你給我答案，然後我請人總要來思考，好嗎？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:28:27.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:28:28.757143+08:00","text":"這個問題很重要。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-05T09:28:28.757143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T09:28:29.757143+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:28:28.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:28:43.775000+08:00","text":"我現在再請教司法院，我們來看高等法院，現在不是只有地院的問題而已，第一類法庭庭長加法官本來最高480人、書記官488人，修正草案變成了法官360人、書記官368人，為什麼員額變少了？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:28:43.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:28:46.677778+08:00","text":"請你告訴我，為什麼員額變少了呢？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:28:49.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:28:51.614286+08:00","text":"又是因為總員額法嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:28:51.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:28:52.733333+08:00","text":"你挪來挪去嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:28:54.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:28:55.733333+08:00","text":"工作量減少嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:28:56.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:28:59.718182+08:00","text":"我剛剛已經秀資料了，為什麼這裡是員額變少呢？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:28:59.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:29:00.809091+08:00","text":"給我一個很簡單、清楚的理由好嗎？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-05T09:29:02.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:29:04.500000+08:00","text":"其實很簡單……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:29:04.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:29:06.500000+08:00","text":"為什麼變少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-05T09:29:06.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:29:15.627273+08:00","text":"第一個，地院的案件增加得非常快，而高院的案件稍微慢一點……","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:29:15.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:29:16.700000+08:00","text":"相對也會增加。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-05T09:29:16.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:29:23.700000+08:00","text":"對，相對會增加，但因為它慢，所以我們就保守一點，當然最重要還是總員額，就是這句話。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:29:23.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:29:24.233333+08:00","text":"好，暫停。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:29:25.344444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:29:49.536364+08:00","text":"麻煩人總副人事長，高院也是要接受全國上訴的案件，你看看右邊，今年1月到6月，民事上訴就6,672件，刑事上訴就1萬4,839件，老實說，大家都過勞了，所以我們今天才談到修法，結果非但不提高整體的員額，還要把員額挪來挪去，像話嗎？","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:29:49.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:29:51.733333+08:00","text":"你要這樣卡到什麼時候呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副人事長秋元","start":"2026-08-05T09:29:51.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:30:02.733333+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，剛剛我已經有跟委員報告了，在各機關的總數沒有變動之下，其實司法跟檢察機關我們近十年已經補了3,000個……","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:30:02.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:30:04.677778+08:00","text":"沒有，你上一次挪動是108年。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張副人事長秋元","start":"2026-08-05T09:30:04.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:30:16.718182+08:00","text":"現在司法體系業務量大的問題，其實大家都看到，大家也一起在解決這個問題，從補充人力、提高待遇，其實剛剛也有委員提到……","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:30:16.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:30:18.775000+08:00","text":"兩個都要，這跟護理師缺乏一樣嘛！","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:30:18.775000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T09:30:19.775000+08:00","text":"薪資待遇……","quality":0},{"speaker":"張副人事長秋元","start":"2026-08-05T09:30:19.185714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:30:27.700000+08:00","text":"今天要處理的是提高列等，另外一個，其實我們在5、6月的時候也有到司法院跟檢察機關去……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-05T09:30:27.900000+08:00","guesse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tart":"2026-08-05T09:35:22.900000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T09:35:24.900000+08:00","text":"謝謝陳昭姿委員。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-05T09:35:25.200000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T09:35:28.628571+08:00","text":"接下來有請吳宗憲委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}