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理學會的專業多偏向平時生活壓力、情緒管理或創傷輔導，這和真正的戰場極限壓力、同袍傷亡心理抗壓有很大的落差。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:29:27+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:29:47.722222+08:00","text":"我想民間諮商心理學會是屬於一般平時生活壓力或情緒管理，有沒有更好的教材能夠讓官兵更能得到進步跟提升？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T09:29:49.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:30:08.600000+08:00","text":"委員，剛剛局長有提到我們在問卷上有區分前、後，都有實施，委員的重點應該是在於戰場的極限壓力和平時的生活壓力會有不同……對。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T09:30:10.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:30:33.714286+08:00","text":"針對這個議題，我回去之後會來瞭解一下，特別您提到的也許是美方、尤其美軍他們是怎麼做的，就這個部分，我們在訓前、訓中做的這些監測，還有訓後做的回顧，這些是不是足夠，我們下去就……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:30:34+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:30:34.750000+08:00","text":"你們要評估……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T09:30:35+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:30:36.500000+08:00","text":"是，按照委員的指導，我們會來檢視。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:30:37.352941+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:30:38.882353+08:00","text":"評估之後給我一份報告，好不好？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T09:30:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:30:43+08:00","text":"好，我來跟他們討論一下。好。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:30:45.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:31:18.857143+08:00","text":"接下來，根據媒體報導，今年的漢光演習會進行無人機的作戰驗證，本席過去質詢時不只一次提到過，部隊的無人機訓練不能只是會飛，真正要學的是戰術，包括如何運用無人機偵察與目標獲得、誘導欺敵、即時引導火力、戰損評估和持續監控敵軍機動，這些才是無人機在戰場上的真正價值。","quality":0.822},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:31:19+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:31:29.692308+08:00","text":"但就本席的觀察，目前無人機的戰術訓練時數遠不如操作訓練時數。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:31:30.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:31:41.750000+08:00","text":"本席想瞭解，無人機的作戰驗證是在驗證部隊對無人機的操作能力，還是驗證無人機的戰術？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:31:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:31:43.750000+08:00","text":"請回答一下。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"候次長嘉倫","start":"2026-08-05T09:31:44+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:31:45.777778+08:00","text":"委員好，我是作計室次長。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"候次長嘉倫","start":"2026-08-05T09:31:46+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:32:07.909091+08:00","text":"針對剛剛委員所問的屬於作戰系統串聯的部分，因為我們既有的C2指管系統還有我們的監偵型無人機和攻擊型無人機，在這次漢光演習以及平常的演練結合到我們的指揮所，把它的擊殺鏈和情蒐網串聯在一起，這是我們現在在做的，也就是剛剛委員所關切的。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"候次長嘉倫","start":"2026-08-05T09:32:08.222222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:32:22.800000+08:00","text":"平常訓練的時候除了您剛剛所說的基礎訓練之外，我們現在在參謀組織作業裡面也強化這一塊，把相關的各個系統串聯在一起，這是我們正在密切執行的。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:32:24.562500+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:32:30.571429+08:00","text":"好，在無人機部隊的戰術裡面，漢光演習的重點在哪裡？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:32:31+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:32:35.750000+08:00","text":"在驗證的過程裡面是哪一個？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:32:36+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:32:39.500000+08:00","text":"剛剛我講了，是操作能力還是戰術的驗證？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:32:42.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:32:42.900000+08:00","text":"漢光演習的重點在哪裡？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"候次長嘉倫","start":"2026-08-05T09:32:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:32:53+08:00","text":"這兩方面都有，除了驗證個人的操作之外，我們的火力支援協調中心（火協）也在驗證系統的運作。好。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:32:53.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:33:04.769231+08:00","text":"我想還是應該以驗證無人機戰術作為漢光演習的重點，這個部分我還是要提醒一下。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:33:05.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:33:23.666667+08:00","text":"另外，根據俄烏戰爭的實戰經驗，無人機真正的威脅不是一架大型無人機，而是大量的低成本小型無人機，這次漢光演習有沒有演練敵軍大量無人機飽和攻擊？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:33:24+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:33:35.600000+08:00","text":"另外就是各軍種都有各型無人機，這次訓練是否共用同一套情資和作戰圖像，還是各飛各的、各自回傳？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"候次長嘉倫","start":"2026-08-05T09:33:36+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:33:46.500000+08:00","text":"剛剛跟委員說明，我們現在就是利用我們的火協中心和情報中心，把這些……因為我們現在既有的比如說TAK，還有……","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:33:47+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:33:47.750000+08:00","text":"有統合嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"候次長嘉倫","start":"2026-08-05T09:33:49+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:33:49.375000+08:00","text":"有統合。","quality":1},{"speaker":"候次長嘉倫","start":"2026-08-05T09:33:49.562500+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:34:02.733333+08:00","text":"整合在一個共同作戰圖像裡面去做驗證，包括您剛剛講的群蜂攻擊，我們都有設計在特別狀況裡面去誘導各部隊來執行處置的作為。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:34:03.444444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T09:34:10.555556+08:00","text":"俄烏戰爭就是我們國防、國軍的借鏡！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"黃委員仁","start":"2026-08-05T09:34:11.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"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