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長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T10:08:44.750000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T10:08:50.833333+08:00","text":"王委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:08:50.833333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:08:53.722222+08:00","text":"部長，再請其他同仁協助。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:08:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:09:19.250000+08:00","text":"第一個是志願役軍官，他現在是志願役，他總有家人，剛剛沈伯洋委員提到對這些家人的滲透，我關心的題目是對這些家人的照顧，我們國防部做了什麼樣的努力？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:09:21.192308+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:09:47.269231+08:00","text":"他現在可能在軍中擔任中校、少尉、中尉，可是家裡的事情一大堆，家裡可能有夫妻之間的課題、小朋友的課題、父母生病的課題，他每天為了這些課題在操心，家裡時不時就會打電話來說什麼人又怎樣、什麼人又怎樣。","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:09:48.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:10:00.233333+08:00","text":"國防部對這些志願役軍官或士官們，他們在服役的期間，對他們的家人這一塊有沒有什麼特別的照顧？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:10:00.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:10:10.900000+08:00","text":"不然他每天為了家庭的事情煩惱，他也沒什麼心情好好當兵，你覺得呢？","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T10:10:11.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:10:15.833333+08:00","text":"政戰局應該有一些專案，或者是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"史局長順文","start":"2026-08-05T10:10:18.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:10:21.200000+08:00","text":"委員好，我是政戰局局長史順文。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"史局長順文","start":"2026-08-05T10:10:21.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:10:39.250000+08:00","text":"跟您報告，有關軍人家庭及眷屬的一些照顧，包含現在0到6歲，或是6歲到還沒有上小學之前，我們現在都有研擬一些教育的補助措施。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"史局長順文","start":"2026-08-05T10:10:40+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:10:55.071429+08:00","text":"另外，針對0到2歲，我們現在有個非營利幼兒園主要是針對學齡前小孩的照顧、軍人家庭的照顧，現在我們也在規劃0到2歲幼兒的……","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:10:55.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:10:55.833333+08:00","text":"不是這個啦！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:10:56+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:10:57.333333+08:00","text":"這你們本來就有在做啦！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:10:57.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:11:17.900000+08:00","text":"我是說他去當志願役了，家裡總是會有一些大大小小的事情，希望請他回來處理，常常打電話說家裡的老人又住院了、家裡的小朋友又怎樣了、家裡的兄弟又惹事了。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:11:18.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:11:31.166667+08:00","text":"我們對這些軍士官們在服役期間，如果過程中經常遇到這樣的困擾，你們有沒有什麼樣的機制能夠協助他們？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:11:31.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:11:40.318182+08:00","text":"不然他時不時要跟你請假，人家家裡有事情，請假總有個規則，這部分有沒有什麼樣的機制？","quality":0.73},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:11:42.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:11:46.318182+08:00","text":"我只講對國軍有沒有特別的照顧？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"吳司長逸聖","start":"2026-08-05T10:11:48.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:11:51.333333+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我是國防部法律事務司的司長。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"吳司長逸聖","start":"2026-08-05T10:11:51.785714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:12:01.366667+08:00","text":"我們針對國軍若有家庭糾紛，或是跟外界相關的訴訟，或是民事或刑事上，我們國防部有公聘律師的機制。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:12:01.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:12:03.250000+08:00","text":"我不是說他本人啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳司長逸聖","start":"2026-08-05T10:12:03.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:12:07.166667+08:00","text":"對，家屬也是一樣，家屬也是我們服務的對象。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:12:07.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:12:10.277778+08:00","text":"部長，我為什麼會這樣提？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:12:11+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:12:29.214286+08:00","text":"如果發生這些事情，我們軍官沒辦法好好處理，或國防部來協助他，弄到最後的結果，可能他弟弟在外面欠錢，到最後就會影響到軍官，他弟弟有可能被滲透。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:12:29.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:12:37.214286+08:00","text":"我舉一個例子，他弟弟過年的時候，大家吃團圓飯，弟弟說：哥哥，最近你們部隊有什麼特別的事情嗎？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:12:37.722222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:12:42.590909+08:00","text":"最近聽說你又調去哪裡，現在都在做什麼？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:12:42.772727+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:12:43.833333+08:00","text":"看你很忙，很少回家。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:12:44.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:12:48.318182+08:00","text":"他就透過這樣的方式，也許就掌握了一些訊息。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:12:48.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:13:10.346154+08:00","text":"我的意思是除了軍官本人，本人當然你們會有些教育的模式，但是對他的家人，不管是父母、兄弟姐妹、家裡小孩的這些事情，你們有沒有一套方式，讓國防部作為軍官的後盾，給他們協助，讓他不要去困擾這些課題？","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T10:13:11.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:13:14+08:00","text":"委員指導的我了解了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T10:13:15.388889+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:13:31.357143+08:00","text":"他家庭方面有任何困擾就會影響他本人，所以他本人有任何困難，他只要反映到軍方，我想軍方都會願意來協助，就看各種不同的事項，例如財務的部分，如果他有任何困難，我們理解也會協助他。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T10:13:32.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:13:39.166667+08:00","text":"比如我們現在有推出急難貸款，這個部分可以協助他。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:13:39.166667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T10:13:41.833333+08:00","text":"這些軍人他自己不會講啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T10:13:41.833333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:13:50.100000+08:00","text":"對，委員講到重點，有的人不會講，有時候他的家人也不願意講，或者他本人也不太願意講。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T10:13:52.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:14:08.233333+08:00","text":"如果真的有形成壓力或是有些困擾的話，一方面，我們輔導幹部應該要主動了解；另外，我們要有好的心輔制度，我們有民間資源，他可以去跟民間的心輔制度來了解。對啦！","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:14:08.233333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T10:14:09.233333+08:00","text":"你說得都是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T10:14:08.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:14:16.250000+08:00","text":"但是，確實還有一點，他要是真的什麼都不肯講的話……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:14:16.250000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T10:14:17.250000+08:00","text":"他就是家醜不想外揚。","quality":0},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T10:14:16.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:14:28.214286+08:00","text":"我們就要從他工作上的表現有沒有產生一些狀況，再去進行關心。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:14:28.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:14:42.214286+08:00","text":"這個可能再想一下，因為大家都有家人，有些人不好意思講，怕講出來「漏氣」，所以看用怎麼樣的機制去提早發現、提早協助。","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:14:42.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:14:49.833333+08:00","text":"第二個，你們在做跟政治作戰相關議題的時候，我看你們會找一些講師上課。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:14:50.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:15:00.300000+08:00","text":"請問部長，這些上課的教材，國防部、相關單位有沒有審議的機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:15:00.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:15:22.250000+08:00","text":"還是老師、教授長期做兩岸關係就固定都請他來上課，他說得不錯，也很受歡迎，可是也許他談的這些課題現在已經落伍了，或者是他講的那些內容，即使國防部有更新相關的資訊，他還是拿舊的資料在講。","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:15:22.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:15:28.300000+08:00","text":"針對這些狀況，你們在上課時的這些教材有沒有相關的審議機制？","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:15:28.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:15:34.277778+08:00","text":"還是也許從外面聘來的老師，完全就尊重他上課的內容？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T10:15:34.277778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T10:15:38.500000+08:00","text":"是不是先……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王處長宜弘","start":"2026-08-05T10:15:38.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:15:42.214286+08:00","text":"委員好，我是政戰局文宣心戰處處長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王處長宜弘","start":"2026-08-05T10:15:42.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:16:07.666667+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，老師在上課之前，其實我們都會先研擬希望他上課講授的一些重點跟主軸，簽奉核准了以後，我們會找老師來研討，老師的這些教案，後續會由不管是莒光園地也好，或是各項國軍在推動專案教育的課程，我們政戰局都會邀請專家學者，跟我們部內的長官、相關的聯參進行共同審查。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"王處長宜弘","start":"2026-08-05T10:16:07.833333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:16:08.333333+08:00","text":"以上報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:16:09+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:16:10+08:00","text":"事後嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王處長宜弘","start":"2026-08-05T10:16:10.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:16:12.250000+08:00","text":"不，上課前就會做了解。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:16:13.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:16:16.333333+08:00","text":"假如他今天講了30張投影片，這30張投影片你們事先都看過嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:16:16.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:16:18+08:00","text":"還是怎麼樣？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王處長宜弘","start":"2026-08-05T10:16:18.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:16:24.318182+08:00","text":"我們都會先請老師提供給我們他的授課簡報跟內容，讓我們來了解。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:16:24.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:16:34.500000+08:00","text":"好，他如果上課的講述內容已經跟我們國軍、國防部的方向有點偏掉了，事後也需要再溝通嗎？是。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:16:36.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:16:36.681818+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-05T10:16:37.045455+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:16:38.318182+08:00","text":"我今天就質詢到此，謝謝。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T10:16:38.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:16:40+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-05T10:16:40.500000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T10:16:46.500000+08:00","text":"接下來請羅美玲委員、羅美玲委員，羅美玲委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-05T10:16:46.800000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T10:16:49.657143+08:00","text":"請牛煦庭委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}