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登記？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T10:58:15.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:58:20.860000+08:00","text":"你要修，你就要完整的考量、要整套，這一塊您的看法怎麼樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-08-05T10:58:21.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:58:27.810000+08:00","text":"我非常同意，如果有更完整的立法讓大家可以來遵守……","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T10:58:28.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:58:28.960000+08:00","text":"你們自己有沒有版本？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T10:58:29.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:58:40.393333+08:00","text":"因為立委有考量到這一點，當然立委的團隊各方面也寫了法條，你們有沒有自己的版本？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-08-05T10:58:40.393333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T10:58:42.504444+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T10:58:42.504444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:58:46.829231+08:00","text":"你們是主管機關，你們應該看得更全面、更全套。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-08-05T10:58:47.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:59:03.726667+08:00","text":"我們跟伍麗華委員有很多的討論，特別是伍麗華委員非常關切原住民保留地有非常大量的借名登記，他也認為有許多陸資採取借名登記來收購原住民保留地……","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T10:59:04.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:59:05.726667+08:00","text":"我的問題就是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-08-05T10:59:06.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:59:13.893333+08:00","text":"我們很支持借名登記的土地登記跟移轉是無效的，當然要有證據。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T10:59:14.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:59:24.787273+08:00","text":"好，我直接問你，陸委會是否支持在法律或明確的授權命令中建立實質受益人、資金來源及實際控制的認定標準？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T10:59:25.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:59:36.560000+08:00","text":"我剛剛講了，你只是禁止借名登記，但實際上他可以迂迴再用第三地、第三人等各種方式……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-08-05T10:59:36.560000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T10:59:37.560000+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T10:59:37.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:59:41.760000+08:00","text":"所以這一塊你們來努力好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T10:59:42.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:59:43.810000+08:00","text":"我的質詢時間你這樣答，我也很難……","quality":0.357},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-08-05T10:59:44.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:59:45.878182+08:00","text":"我知道委員是要避免漏洞，我們要詳實規範。","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T10:59:46.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:59:46.726667+08:00","text":"對，當然。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T10:59:47.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:59:50.893333+08:00","text":"很多規避的漏洞，這個是你們的職責，你知道嗎？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-08-05T10:59:50.893333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T10:59:51.893333+08:00","text":"我知道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T10:59:51.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T10:59:55.878182+08:00","text":"是你們主管單位、行政單位的職責，所以我希望你們加油一點。好。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T10:59:56.345714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:00:04.787273+08:00","text":"再來，本席要問……今天內政部只來了移民署。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:00:06.150909+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:00:21.774286+08:00","text":"如果地政機關看到登記簿上的權利人、也看得到境外匯款，要查的話，由哪個單位查？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:00:22.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:00:22.935000+08:00","text":"主責單位是你們嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:00:23.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:00:23.560000+08:00","text":"不可能嘛！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-08-05T11:00:24.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:00:25.202857+08:00","text":"我想是主管機關內政部。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:00:26.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:00:28.136923+08:00","text":"對，應該是內政部，但今天內政部好像只有……","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-08-05T11:00:29.393333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:00:29.948889+08:00","text":"地政司同仁有來。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:00:30.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:00:31.774286+08:00","text":"對，有地政司專門委員。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"張專門委員翠恩","start":"2026-08-05T11:00:32.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:00:40.060000+08:00","text":"報告委員，如果是移轉登記，我們只會看契約，沒辦法調查其資金來源。對。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:00:40.488571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:00:45.829231+08:00","text":"主委，所以現在究竟由哪一個機關統合這件事？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-08-05T11:00:46.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:00:47.810000+08:00","text":"如果有檢舉案的話，當然我們……","qua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text":"民眾都已經知道苦茶籽可能來自中國大陸，你們這邊卻毫無動作！","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:03:11.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:03:14.774286+08:00","text":"你們是否會正式請陸方共同調查？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:03:16.726667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:03:19.935000+08:00","text":"我們必須在這邊調查，這是調查過程。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:03:20.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:03:29.810000+08:00","text":"我們並非認為一定是中國大陸原料造成的，但是現在有這個疑慮，我們就要通盤啟動啊！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:03:31.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:03:31.726667+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:03:32.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:03:41.560000+08:00","text":"要依協議啟動調查，本身不是作責任認定，而是在做風險管理，主委，可以做嗎？可以。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:03:42.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:03:42.893333+08:00","text":"陸委會可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-08-05T11:03:43.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:03:45.810000+08:00","text":"當然，我們會問主管機關農業部。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-08-05T11:03:46.631429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:03:51.948889+08:00","text":"截至目前為止，他們並未向我們提出任何請求或請我們合作。","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:03:52.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:03:52.960000+08:00","text":"你說誰沒有向你們請求？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-08-05T11:03:53.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:03:56.869524+08:00","text":"農業部，針對您剛剛提到可能出現問題的原料。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:03:57.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:04:08.752308+08:00","text":"所以你在這邊證明了食安問題，尤其毒油風暴延燒一個月了，結果政府的態度還是拖拖拉拉。對啊！","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:04:09.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:04:21.810000+08:00","text":"你在這邊證明了農業部沒找你們，而你們看到「疑似」、新聞大概都有報導，連我們都看到原料可能是中國大陸來的，也沒有主動、積極地查。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:04:22.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:04:26.893333+08:00","text":"時間關係，我也不想浪費大家的時間、耽誤大家的時間。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:04:27.593333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:04:38.589412+08:00","text":"主委，建立跨境食安治理絕對不是等事件發生，因為今天有苦茶油問題、明天可能是茶葉、芝麻、花生、中藥材等等。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:04:39.494783+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:04:46.810000+08:00","text":"我比較想知道的是我們的政府到底有沒有能力在第一時間追到源頭、查明真相。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-08-05T11:04:48.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:04:54.340000+08:00","text":"截至目前為止，並沒有人爆出有農產品原物料造成食安問題，但我們來了解。","quality":0.452},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:04:54.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:05:16.893333+08:00","text":"好，我就是希望陸委會能夠積極善用海峽兩岸食品安全協議還有海峽兩岸農產品檢疫檢驗合作協議，把兩岸既有的機制、制度運用在保障人民健康上，而不是等到事件發生，這次是事件都發生了你們還沒動！","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:05:17.345714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:05:23.845714+08:00","text":"我們要求的是你們應該更積極，不是等到事件結束才回頭檢討。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:05:24.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:05:28.726667+08:00","text":"最後本席要說的是，食品安全沒有藍綠，對不對？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:05:29.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:05:32.893333+08:00","text":"大家都是每天吃，你吃到毒油，我也吃到毒油。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:05:33.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:05:43.760000+08:00","text":"我們也絕對不要兩岸對立，食品安全只有一個共同目標，就是讓人民吃得安心、吃得安全，請陸委會加油一點，好嗎？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-08-05T11:05:44.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:05:45.893333+08:00","text":"好，謝謝徐委員，我們職責所在。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"徐委員欣瑩","start":"2026-08-05T11:05:46.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:05:46.560000+08:00","text":"謝謝、拜託拜託！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-05T11:05:47.060000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:05:49.060000+08:00","text":"謝謝徐欣瑩委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-05T11:05:49.360000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:05:51.931429+08:00","text":"接下來請蘇清泉委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-05T11:05:52.231429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:05:55.660000+08:00","text":"蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-05T11:05:55.960000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:05:57.674286+08:00","text":"請鍾佳濱委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-05T11:05:57.974286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:06:01.402857+08:00","text":"鍾佳濱委員、鍾佳濱委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-05T11:06:01.702857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:06:03.417143+08:00","text":"請鄭正鈐委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"202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08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:11:04.102857+08:00","text":"雖然草案增訂了「有特殊事由經內政部核定者，得減輕或免除處罰」之柔性條款，但「特殊事由」與減免標準未來將由內政部定之。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:11:04.402857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:11:17.545714+08:00","text":"主管機關應避免未來訂定之減免標準流於嚴苛，導致柔性條款形同虛設，無法實質保障非蓄意逾期之基層民眾。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:11:17.845714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:11:48.988571+08:00","text":"針對兩岸條例第八十七條之一修正草案中大幅提高逾期停留罰鍰之規定，請陸委會說明如何督促並會同內政部研擬具包容性之「特殊事由」認定及減免標準，以保障非蓄意逾期者不致因高額罰鍰而陷入困境，並請於一個月內提出相關評估與宣導配套之書面報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:11:49.288571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:11:54.145714+08:00","text":"二、再延長收容應增設法院定期審查機制","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:11:54.445714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:12:21.302857+08:00","text":"針對受強制出境處分者之收容制度，本次有委員提案增訂，若有「大陸地區相關機關遲不接返受收容人」等情形，內政部移民署得向法院聲請每次最長不得逾五十日之「再延長收容」，且排除原本總收容期間不得逾一百五十日之限制。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:12:21.602857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:12:35.602857+08:00","text":"陸委會書面報告對此亦表示支持，並指出陸方近年有遲不接返滯台陸籍人士之情形，導致部分人員滯留長達一至二年。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:12:35.902857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:12:58.474286+08:00","text":"在大陸地區相關機關遲不接返之原因下，若對其進行再延長收容且無總期日限制，恐將政治與行政成本轉嫁於受收容人身上，使其在台面臨近乎無期限的變相監禁，有違人權保障與比例原則。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:12:58.774286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:13:16.202857+08:00","text":"本院亦有委員提案強調，應設置「法院每九十日定期審查機制」，在障礙未除前持續司法監督，認無必要時即裁定停止收容，以保障受收容人之基本權利。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:13:16.502857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:13:31.931429+08:00","text":"主管機關在強化安全管理的同時，不應以「無限期收容」作為應對溝通僵局的手段，而應展現兩岸交流之誠意，積極重啟遣返溝通管道。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:13:32.231429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:13:50.802857+08:00","text":"針對第十八條之一增訂「再延長收容」之規定，請陸委會詳細說明：在兩岸官方協商管道未完全恢復之前，如何避免該條款變相成為「無限期收容」陸籍人士之工具？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:13:51.102857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:14:02.245714+08:00","text":"是否同意參採本院委員提案精神，於條文中明定「法院每九十日定期審查機制」以落實司法監督？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:14:02.545714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:14:04.831429+08:00","text":"請於一個月內回覆。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:14:05.131429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:14:10.845714+08:00","text":"三、放寬入境前面談之律師在場權，落實法律程序","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:14:11.145714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:14:26.002857+08:00","text":"為保障當事人程序參與權，本次修正條文第十條之一第二項擬增訂，經許可入境後進行面談之大陸地區人民，得委任律師在場。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:14:26.302857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:14:54.017143+08:00","text":"此一修法雖具進步意義，但草案說明卻以「接受面談之申請人尚未實際入境者，基於國家主權之行使，其程序保障權益與經許可入境者不同」為由，明確將「未經許可入境、在機場等國境線接受面談」之申請人排除在委任律師在場之權利之外。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:14:54.317143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:15:10.888571+08:00","text":"事實上，國境線上的面談（如陸配初次抵台時之入境面談、學術交流人士之入境審查）往往是決定該大陸地區人民能否順利入境最關鍵之程序。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:15:11.188571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:15:29.760000+08:00","text":"若在如此攸關基本生存權與家庭權之程序中，完全排除其尋求專業法律協助之機會，極易導致行政裁量流於單方面專斷，亦與我國正當法律程序精神相違背。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:15:30.060000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:15:47.774286+08:00","text":"既然政府強調修法旨在使陸籍人士之強制出境與收容程序均能受正當法律程序保障，即不應在入境前預設防堵立場，人為製造國境線上之人權真空。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:15:48.074286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:16:10.645714+08:00","text":"針對第十條之一修正草案僅限「經許可入境後」進行面談者得委任律師在場，請陸委會說明：對於在機場等國境線上未獲許可入境即面臨強制出境處分之陸籍人士，如何保障其正當程序參與權？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:16:10.945714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:16:18.945714+08:00","text":"是否應研擬放寬律師陪同之適用範圍，以展現我國友善交流之態度？","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:16:19.245714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:16:22.674286+08:00","text":"請於一個月內提交評估報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員傅崐萁書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:16:22.974286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:16:28.402857+08:00","text":"請陸委會於一個月內針對質詢內容回覆本辦。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:16:28.702857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:16:59.560000+08:00","text":"針對中國大陸資金可能透過借名登記、第三地公司、信託、債權或其他迂迴方式取得、使用或控制我國不動產，現行制度仍存在實質受益人辨識不足、跨機關查核分散、違法利益難以追回，以及善意第三人保障不明等問題，請大陸委員會會商內政部提出完整改革方案。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:16:59.860000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:17:07.574286+08:00","text":"一、現行制度雖限制陸資取得不動產，但對迂迴控制行為仍有缺口","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:17:07.874286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:17:30.445714+08:00","text":"依《臺灣地區與大陸地區人民關係條例》第六十九條規定，大陸地區人民、法人、團體、其他機構，或其於第三地區投資之公司，原則上非經主管機關許可，不得在臺灣地區取得、設定或移轉不動產物權。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:17:30.745714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:17:40.174286+08:00","text":"此外，《土地法》第十七條所列特定土地，亦受到較嚴格之移轉、設定負擔及租賃限制。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:17:40.474286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:17:46.760000+08:00","text":"然而，現行不動產登記制度主要呈現名義上的權利人。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:17:47.060000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:18:03.917143+08:00","text":"倘中國大陸資金透過臺灣自然人、公司或其他名義人登記，主管機關未必能僅從地政登記資料，查明實際出資者、最終受益人及土地真正控制者。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:18:04.217143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:18:26.788571+08:00","text":"陸委會本次書面報告亦承認，現行法對於違反許可規定，或以迂迴手段取得不動產之行為，尚缺乏直接且具威嚇力之裁罰機制，因此支持增訂禁止借名登記、塗銷登記、限期回復原狀及相關罰則。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:18:27.088571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:18:36.802857+08:00","text":"本席認為，防堵陸資借名購地確有必要，但修法不能只停留在「禁止借名」及「提高罰鍰」。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:18:37.102857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:18:49.388571+08:00","text":"真正的制度問題，在於政府能否查明資金來源、實質受益人與實際控制關係，並依法處理違法土地及利益。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:18:49.688571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:18:55.688571+08:00","text":"二、陸委會尚未提出足以證明問題規模的實證資料","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:18:55.988571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:19:09.417143+08:00","text":"陸委會書面報告指出，中國大陸資金可能透過在地人士購置戰略性土地，對國家安全及不動產市場秩序造成風險。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:19:09.717143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:19:15.145714+08:00","text":"(一)近十年查獲多少件疑似陸資借名購地案件。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:19:15.445714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:19:22.017143+08:00","text":"(二)其中多少案件經行政處分、移送偵辦、起訴或判決有罪。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:19:22.317143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:19:27.745714+08:00","text":"(三)涉及土地總面積、交易金額及使用分區為何。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:19:28.045714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:19:38.331429+08:00","text":"(四)是否涉及軍事設施、港口、機場、能源、通訊、水源、科技園區或其他關鍵基礎設施周邊土地。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:19:38.631429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:19:46.345714+08:00","text":"(五)資金透過自然人、公司、第三地法人、信託或其他方式進入之比例。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:19:46.645714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:19:53.502857+08:00","text":"(六)現行法無法塗銷登記、處分土地或追回利益之具體案例。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:19:53.802857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:20:11.517143+08:00","text":"重大修法涉及人民財產權、交易安全及國家安全，政府應以實際案件與統計說明現行制度何處失靈，而不能僅以概括性的國安風險作為全部立法依據。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:20:11.817143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:20:19.245714+08:00","text":"三、借名登記只是規避手段之一，修法應處理所有實質控制行為","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:20:19.545714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:20:30.402857+08:00","text":"陸資若不直接以自然人借名方式登記，仍可能透過下列方式取得土地使用、收益或處分控制：","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:20:30.702857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:20:35.560000+08:00","text":"(一)利用第三地公司或多層控股結構投資。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:20:35.860000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:20:43.860000+08:00","text":"(二)透過臺灣公司名義取得土地，再以股權、董事席次或契約控制公司。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:20:44.160000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:20:48.160000+08:00","text":"(三)利用信託、代持或隱名契約安排。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:20:48.460000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:20:55.031429+08:00","text":"(四)以長期租賃、地上權或其他用益物權取得實質使用權。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:20:55.331429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:21:01.331429+08:00","text":"(五)以抵押權、融資、債權或附條件契約控制土地處分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:21:01.631429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:21:08.774286+08:00","text":"(六)由臺灣人名義登記，但資金、收益及處分決定均由陸資掌握。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:21:09.074286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:21:20.502857+08:00","text":"倘修法只將「借名登記」列為禁止行為，可能使規避者迅速改用其他法律形式，造成規範落後於實務。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:21:20.802857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:21:29.945714+08:00","text":"因此，本席認為，修法核心應由「名義登記人」提升為「實質受益人及實際控制關係」。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:21:30.245714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:21:44.245714+08:00","text":"主管機關應依法判斷究竟由誰出資、誰享有經濟利益、誰能決定土地使用及處分，而非只看登記簿上的姓名或公司名稱。","quality":0},{"speaker":"委員徐欣瑩書面質詢","start":"2026-08-05T11:21:44.545714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:21:52.260000+08:00","text":"四、地政機關無法單獨完成陸資查核，應建立跨機關法定治理機制","quality":0},{"speaker":"委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