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協調這部分，這會涉及到以後在緊急狀況之下，我們需要靠民間部會，並跟民間部會進行協調及資源的運用等等。","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T11:06:00.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:06:10.777778+08:00","text":"在網路斷掉之下，軍民的整合協調本身就是一個課題，這個確實是現在全社會防衛韌性結合漢光的一個重要的背景意義。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-08-05T11:06:11+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:06:18.785714+08:00","text":"相信這一次的演習應該也讓我們國防部還有各部會得到很多訊息，在未來遇到這樣的情況要怎麼做。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-08-05T11:06:19.166667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:06:21.777778+08:00","text":"而我們的部隊還是要回到作戰嘛！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-08-05T11:06:22.181818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:06:35.666667+08:00","text":"部隊能不能夠持續作戰，其實最終的目的還是要回到人，我們談到人力這一塊，可是我們目前的主戰部隊編現比大概在七到八成，勤務部隊甚至更低。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-08-05T11:06:36.428571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:07:01.714286+08:00","text":"我們國軍雖然努力一直在招募，也小幅調整軍人待遇，但是基層人力其實相當吃緊，加上連續頻繁的演訓，還要推動數位化轉型、新式裝備換裝，我想官兵的壓力一定會更重，所以我們講更白一點，現在的壓力已經很重了，搞不好還沒到打仗，部隊就先被我們內耗拖垮了。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-08-05T11:07:02.153846+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:07:17.863636+08:00","text":"本席先前在質詢的時候也一直關心我們官兵弟兄工作負荷量的改善情況，還有我們的中高階幹部離退的問題，部長還有相關的主管當時都說會評估、會改善，到現在其實我們還是沒有看到具體的資料跟說明。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-08-05T11:07:18.230769+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:07:24.818182+08:00","text":"部長，您能夠清楚地說明一下，我們國防部未來打算怎麼樣減輕基層行政的負擔嗎？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-08-05T11:07:25.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:07:31.727273+08:00","text":"有沒有真正檢討不必要的文書作業、會議以及重複的這些勤務？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T11:07:32+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:07:41.111111+08:00","text":"因為剛剛牛委員在質詢的時候，黃司長已經有做了一些說明，是不是再請他說明？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-08-05T11:07:41.111111+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T11:07:46+08:00","text":"再請司長說一遍。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"黃司長文啓：報告委員，我們有區分幾個部分","start":"2026-08-05T11:07:46+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:07:51.625000+08:00","text":"第一個是業務需要性的這個部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃司長文啓：報告委員，我們有區分幾個部分","start":"2026-08-05T11:07:52+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:07:56.812500+08:00","text":"事實上，我們過去三年當中已經做相當幅度的調整，已經降低了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃司長文啓：報告委員，我們有區分幾個部分","start":"2026-08-05T11:07:57+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:08:18.875000+08:00","text":"第二個是人的部分，人的部分是一個關鍵，我們目前規劃在整個兵力結構調整裡面，過去可能是一個人會兼任兩個業務的狀況，我們會全部把它做個解決，也就是這個單位如果應該需要兩個幕僚的，即這個位置需要兩個幕僚，我們就編兩個幕僚，這個已經做過調整。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"黃司長文啓：報告委員，我們有區分幾個部分","start":"2026-08-05T11:08:19+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:08:41.812500+08:00","text":"最後一個是我們的系統，我們預劃從明年開始，整個人事和後勤這些行政類業務的部分，我們會採取上雲跟整個系統作業，降低人員在查詢搜索的時候需要的時間，以降低他的工作負荷。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"黃司長文啓：報告委員，我們有區分幾個部分","start":"2026-08-05T11:08:42.181818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:08:51.857143+08:00","text":"有關於整個規劃，如果委員希望進一步了解的話，我們可以到委員辦公室，針對我們未來人事行政系統的精進措施跟委員說明。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-08-05T11:08:52+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:08:52.857143+08:00","text":"謝謝司長說明。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-08-05T11:08:53.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:09:18.500000+08:00","text":"部長、司長，其實本席會這樣問是因為在人力上，因應未來少子化，人力一定會短缺的情況下，假如勤務不做調整，加上本席提到的，不管是新式裝備要換裝、人員訓練都會造成工作負擔，本席希望不要真的在還沒有上戰場之前，光是這些內耗的行政程序就把人員都耗盡。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-08-05T11:09:19.571429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:09:39.777778+08:00","text":"尤其新式裝備跟數位化陸續進場，不只要學新的系統，還要兼顧原本的戰備跟演訓，再加上組織結構也要頻繁調整，我想精神力戰力應該不是只有要求官兵要忍耐，也不能只靠著犧牲奉獻就可以解決這些問題。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-08-05T11:09:40+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:09:47.800000+08:00","text":"我想國軍還是回到最務實的，是從待遇、休假、家庭支持，還有領導管理方向來真正提出改善的方法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-08-05T11:09:48.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:09:58.846154+08:00","text":"不過本席最近接到一個反映，就是有些單位只是換個名字，官兵應領的加給就沒有辦法如期發放，要等到一、兩個月，甚至更久。","quality":0.843},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-08-05T11:09:59+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:10:01.900000+08:00","text":"我想請教部長，真的有這樣的情形嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-08-05T11:10:02.571429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:10:03.714286+08:00","text":"原因是什麼？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T11:10:04+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:10:33.692308+08:00","text":"您講的可能是之前我們一直在做組織編裝的調整，在調整過程當中，譬如說最明顯就是無人機大隊，這個大隊是用原來海軍陸戰隊的火力營，或者是目標連轉過來，他們同樣原來是屬於戰鬥部隊，領第一級的戰鬥部隊加給。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-08-05T11:10:35.181818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:10:52.714286+08:00","text":"但因為人總在後面的審核我們要跟他溝通，所以我們現在已經跟人總協調了，我們以後做組織編裝的調整都會事先告知、進行協調，只要是符合戰鬥部隊的定義，我們都希望能夠不延誤。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-08-05T11:10:53.307692+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T11:10:58.866667+08:00","text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