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ppb，那些油現在還在中聯的油槽裡面嗎？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:34:24.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:34:32+08:00","text":"這個我們就不曉得了，我們當初驗收的時候有鉛封，也就是把它封起來啦！","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:34:34.288889+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:34:43.275000+08:00","text":"等於是這一桶油我們沒有允收，也就是沒有接收，還是留在那個地方。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:34:43.581818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:34:47.150000+08:00","text":"至於後續它怎麼處理，我們就不是很清楚了。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:34:48.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:34:56.066667+08:00","text":"你5月21號第一批交貨100萬公升，也是中聯交的，是不是？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:34:56.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:34:58.400000+08:00","text":"是一千一百多公升。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:00.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:01.733333+08:00","text":"不是100萬公升嗎？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:02.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:03.733333+08:00","text":"沒有啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:03.733333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:04.733333+08:00","text":"沒那麼多嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:04.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:06.650000+08:00","text":"沒那麼多，一千公升左右啦！","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:06.650000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:11.400000+08:00","text":"不是有1,000噸？","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:11.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:12.400000+08:00","text":"應該是1,000噸啦！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:14.127273+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:17.036364+08:00","text":"第二批是6月18號，這也是1,000噸？對。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:17.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:19.400000+08:00","text":"這也是中聯交的？對。所以……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:27+08:00","text":"我們驗的時候，它是合格的，有合乎我們招標的規範。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:27.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:33.400000+08:00","text":"你們自己本身有能力去做檢驗，還是要委託……","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:33.400000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:34.400000+08:00","text":"沒有，我們是送第三方的單位。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:34.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:36.200000+08:00","text":"你們台糖自己有沒有能力？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:36.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:37.733333+08:00","text":"我們目前……","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:38.177778+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:39.955556+08:00","text":"沒有實驗室？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:39.955556+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:40.955556+08:00","text":"我們有實驗室。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:40.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:41.900000+08:00","text":"你們沒有能力驗苯駢芘？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:43.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:48.233333+08:00","text":"我們也可以驗啦，只是經過第三方的話會比較公正。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:48.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:35:59.100000+08:00","text":"你們自己在製造過程中，從脫膠原油往下一直精煉，就像石部長講的，要脫膠、脫臭，最後才能把整桶做出來嘛！","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:35:59.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:36:07.275000+08:00","text":"那些做出來之後要給人吃，所驗出來的data是你們自己驗，還是委託第三方驗？","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:36:07.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:36:11.092308+08:00","text":"都是委託第三方的公正單位在驗的。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:36:11.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:36:12.257143+08:00","text":"都是委託第三方驗的？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:36:12.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:36:15.400000+08:00","text":"對，一定要驗到合格為止。好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:36:16.542857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:36:26.066667+08:00","text":"我現在要講的是，台糖對我們來說是信任的最後一道防線，我們對其他的可能還沒什麼信心……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:36:26.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:36:27.275000+08:00","text":"委員對此可以放心啦！台糖……","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:36:27.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:36:32.177778+08:00","text":"我們對台糖可是很放心的，結果你們也出事，那不就死了嗎？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:36:32.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:36:33.066667+08:00","text":"不會啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:36:33.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:36:40.036364+08:00","text":"所以教育部這邊的孩子、國防部的阿兵哥不就最可憐，送來就吃，沒吃死就算了？","quality":0.531},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:36:41.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:36:42.200000+08:00","text":"會不會是這樣？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:36:42.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:36:43.066667+08:00","text":"不會啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:36:43.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:36:47.177778+08:00","text":"我們為什麼要進美國的黃豆，就是因為它的品質比較好啦！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:36:47.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:36:50.200000+08:00","text":"它和巴西黃豆的品質是差在哪裡？","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:36:50.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:36:52.066667+08:00","text":"你跟我講一下。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:36:52.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:36:58.150000+08:00","text":"它的蛋白質含量、水分含量都比較好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:36:58.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:37:02.114286+08:00","text":"他們都是基改（基因改造）的？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:37:02.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:37:03.150000+08:00","text":"都是基改的。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:37:04.257143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:37:06.400000+08:00","text":"他們好像有80％都是基改的嘛！是的。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:37:07.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:37:08.900000+08:00","text":"吃基改的會死嗎？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:37:08.900000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T12:37:13.400000+08:00","text":"部長，會死嗎？","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:37:13.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:37:15.900000+08:00","text":"吃到不就慘了？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:37:16.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:37:17.150000+08:00","text":"沒有證據啦！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:37:17.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:37:25.150000+08:00","text":"我對教育部跟國防部的副食中心……我以前是當海陸的，現在想想我以前到底吃了什麼，我也不知道耶！","quality":0.61},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:37:25.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:37:31.127273+08:00","text":"反正就是送來就吃，只是到現在沒有死，部長是當陸軍的嗎？","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:37:31.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:37:33.150000+08:00","text":"就算吃死了也不知道啊！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:37:33.945455+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:37:42.127273+08:00","text":"我們對於食安的問題是一直在修法，今天又要修法，就是一直修，修一修，不遵守有什麼屁用？","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:37:42.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:37:44.114286+08:00","text":"不遵守就等於是零嘛！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:37:44.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:38:01.566667+08:00","text":"就算修得再嚴，都不遵守，就像中聯的油被測出來它也不敢講，現在一下子石部長說它那個是脫膠原油，沒有data就對了？","quality":0.608},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:38:02.733333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:38:12.066667+08:00","text":"它的問題是出在於把脫膠原油精煉成食用油後還是超標，那個部分它沒有報啦！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:38:12.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:38:12.542857+08:00","text":"沒有啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:38:12.828571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:38:15.650000+08:00","text":"它交給福懋做第二批，那個時候是初級……","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:38:16.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:38:20.257143+08:00","text":"不是，它交的是食用油。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:38:20.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:38:24.114286+08:00","text":"所以中聯本身可以一路做到食用油？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-05T12:38:24.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:38:25.066667+08:00","text":"沒有錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:38:25.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:38:28.066667+08:00","text":"這些公司都委託它做，那不就是都在做假的？","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:38:28.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:38:30+08:00","text":"都是OEM的嘛！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:38:30.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:38:35.900000+08:00","text":"那些公司都只是掛名而已，就算是向你們投標，標到了，他們也沒辦法交貨，而是要中聯交。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:38:36.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:38:48.900000+08:00","text":"現在你講它得標之後要做成品，它也做得出來，它把成品做出來之後，檢出有問題，它也不敢通報，這樣一來事態可就嚴重了。","quality":0.54},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:38:51.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:38:55.400000+08:00","text":"賴次長，你們把這些公司管理成這樣，哪能這樣管啦！","quality":0.476},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:38:56.733333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:38:57.066667+08:00","text":"真是嚇死人了！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-08-05T12:38:57.566667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:39:10.854545+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，台糖大豆沙拉油市占率只有7％，其他的93％都是民間的，剛才你講到的公司也有生產。","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:39:11.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:39:12.200000+08:00","text":"那五間都有嗎？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-08-05T12:39:14.015385+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:39:16.288889+08:00","text":"確實的數字，我不知道，但是台糖生產的確實……","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:39:18.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:39:20.177778+08:00","text":"那五間現在聽起來就是……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-08-05T12:39:20.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:39:23.200000+08:00","text":"那7％都有第三方驗證，都是合格的產品。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:39:23.685714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:39:29.900000+08:00","text":"它掛的是福懋的品牌，結果是中聯做出來的，搞不好連做都沒有做，大家就吃了。","quality":0.594},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:39:30.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:39:37.900000+08:00","text":"中聯一天到晚出事，自己也不敢通報，現在要食藥署去逐批檢查，不然就是部長去那邊站崗，這樣不是很讓人抓狂？","quality":0.348},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:39:40.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:39:42.036364+08:00","text":"我覺得衛福部實在是很可憐，我要在這裡替他們講話。","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-08-05T12:39:42.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:39:45.185714+08:00","text":"所以他們才會再立案調查啊！","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:39:46.933333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:39:48.266667+08:00","text":"你們經濟部要如何改善？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:39:50.733333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:39:51.066667+08:00","text":"請聚焦。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:39:52.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:39:54.200000+08:00","text":"你們台糖這裡要怎麼改善？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:39:54.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:40:00.066667+08:00","text":"要對人家有交代，人家的孩子吃你們的副食品，人家的孩子都吃你們台糖的油，吃一吃吃出問題。","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-08-05T12:40:01.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:40:43.114286+08:00","text":"第一個，我們有要求台糖公司平常要建立包括自主檢驗的標準、包括流程自身的標準；第二個，經濟部會定期去查核，甚至也會同政風單位去看他的採購有沒有照採購法的規定、採購是不是合理，包括進出貨單都會看；第三個，年度要結束的時候，也會有相關單位，甚至包括經濟部以外的單位，會去查國營事業。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-08-05T12:40:44.257143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:41:01.200000+08:00","text":"目前為止，台糖產品的原料一定要檢驗合格，才能進來台糖的廠裡面，另外，他出產的產品，特別是食品，也要通過食安法的規定。","quality":0.392},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:41:01.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:41:10.288889+08:00","text":"我跟你講，我們常常在跑行程，現在台糖對於民間真的是reliable的company……是啊！是啊！","quality":0.628},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:41:10.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:41:23.233333+08:00","text":"這幾十年來，包括坐在這裡的人，很多都跟台糖有關係，用他的土地或是吃他出產的東西，所以對台糖是有絕對的信心，若說是其他的，沒信心；對台糖，有信心。","quality":0.587},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:41:23.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:41:45.066667+08:00","text":"所以我現在具體建議，你們台糖自己去美國買黃豆，用貨櫃裝，品質可以保證，原料買來，你們自己處理自己製油，你們就擴自己的廠，台糖那麼有錢，是全臺灣最大的地主，一年光租金收入就嚇死人，對不對？","quality":0.524},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:41:45.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:41:46.275000+08:00","text":"有五萬多公頃的土地。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:41:47.733333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:41:49.066667+08:00","text":"次長，你了解嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:41:49.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:41:53.100000+08:00","text":"自己處理，你們不要再去跟人家買中間的油品。","quality":0.474},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-08-05T12:41:53.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:41:54.650000+08:00","text":"感謝委員支持台糖。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:41:55.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:42:09.114286+08:00","text":"絕對支持，自己製油自己販賣，用來做副食品，給國軍、給孩子吃，這樣孩子才有保障，不然你們四處亂買，什麼國外要交給你二級……","quality":0.608},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-08-05T12:42:09.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:42:13.114286+08:00","text":"感謝委員對台糖產品的信心。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:42:13.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:42:25.150000+08:00","text":"現在這個年代也是講韌性，台糖是最老牌的，我們對你們有絕對的信心，你們不要做到開花、翻盤，不然真的是對不起國人！","quality":0.755},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:42:25.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:42:29.150000+08:00","text":"次長，我這樣具體建議，我在總質詢時，還要再跟你請教。","quality":0.591},{"speaker":"賴次長建信","start":"2026-08-05T12:42:29.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-05T12:42:29.650000+08:00","text":"好，感謝委員。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"蘇委員清泉","start":"2026-08-05T12:42:30.150000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T12:42:31.150000+08:00","text":"好，以上。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（涂委員權吉代）","start":"2026-08-05T12:42:31.450000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T12:42:33.450000+08:00","text":"謝謝蘇清泉委員。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"主席（涂委員權吉代）","start":"2026-08-05T12:42:33.750000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-05T12:42:36.321429+08:00","text":"下一位請廖偉翔委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}