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ppb，到什麼時候經濟部才知道？","quality":0.68},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:42:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:42:55.714286+08:00","text":"幾月幾號才知道？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T09:42:56+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:42:57.666667+08:00","text":"7月以後，我們去……","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:42:58+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:43:00.555556+08:00","text":"7月以後是什麼時候？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:43:01+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:43:03.666667+08:00","text":"7月以後經濟部才知道？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:43:04+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:43:07+08:00","text":"是不是？是、是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:43:07.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:43:07.875000+08:00","text":"7月以後才知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:43:11+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:43:22.500000+08:00","text":"部長，民間企業南僑主動吹哨都要被罰三百萬，而台糖是國營事業，全國、全體國民都非常信任。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:43:23.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:43:36.500000+08:00","text":"當你發現有這麼嚴重的致癌物時，只說拒收、不買了，卻讓這些有毒的油品繼續留在供應鏈裡！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:43:37+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:43:50+08:00","text":"如果不是檢調與衛福部全面清查，這些原料是不是就任由下游業者販售給民眾吃下肚？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:43:51.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:43:52.600000+08:00","text":"這叫什麼食安把關？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T09:43:53+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:44:08.428571+08:00","text":"沒有，311號油槽的油現在還在中聯沒出來，就是因為台糖公司給予警告，才讓這批油沒有出來，出來的是其他批的油，而其他批的油跟台糖沒有關係！","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:44:09+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:44:11.666667+08:00","text":"部長，請針對問題回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:44:12+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:44:19.800000+08:00","text":"這件事造成這麼大的風暴，到底應該怎麼檢討、改進，讓這種事不要再發生？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:44:20+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:44:21.714286+08:00","text":"因為食安是底線！是啊。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:44:22.428571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:44:36.400000+08:00","text":"在這裡本席要再次請教，當民間企業發現有劇毒原料時，依規定啟動吹哨者機制並通報。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:44:37.235294+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:44:44.692308+08:00","text":"反觀全國最信賴的國營事業台糖，卻默默退貨自掃門前雪。","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:44:45.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:44:53.714286+08:00","text":"在這樣的情況下本席要請教，難道台糖不受食安法的規範嗎？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-10T09:44:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:44:55.500000+08:00","text":"報告委員……","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:44:56+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:45:01.800000+08:00","text":"你們現在說法規沒有強制要通報，你們之前就用這個藉口……","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-10T09:45:01.800000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T09:45:02.800000+08:00","text":"報告委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:45:02+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:45:03.777778+08:00","text":"現在還要再用這個藉口嗎？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:45:04+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:45:07.818182+08:00","text":"已經造成這麼大的風暴了，你有沒有受食安法的規範？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-10T09:45:08+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:45:13.777778+08:00","text":"如果今天台糖公司買的食用油超標，台糖公司一定會通報……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:45:14+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:45:18+08:00","text":"請教台糖有沒有受食安法的規範？有。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:45:19+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:45:20+08:00","text":"你們有？好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:45:21.214286+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:45:40.600000+08:00","text":"針對原料、半成品、未收貨、脫膠粗油，依現行食安法第七條第五項規定，產品需主動通報，但也因為這樣的文字，成為經濟部跟衛福部免責的護身符……","quality":0.847},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-10T09:45:40.600000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T09:45:41.600000+08:00","text":"不是這樣的！","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:45:41.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:45:48.666667+08:00","text":"部長，你聽清楚，你讓法律文字的灰色地帶成了一級致癌物的防火牆……","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-10T09:45:48.666667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T09:45:49.666667+08:00","text":"不是這樣的！","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:45:49+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:45:50.750000+08:00","text":"至少目前的情況是如此！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:45:51+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:46:04.666667+08:00","text":"好，現在衛福部已經預告未來將修法納入強制通報，代表目前法規根本是千瘡百孔！","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:46:05.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:46:21.750000+08:00","text":"在這樣的情況下本席請教，在修法的空窗期，民間企業存在著不合法不通報的現象，而政府也無從知道每一次的檢驗詳情。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:46:22+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:46:31.666667+08:00","text":"但台糖是國營事業單位，應該要遵守法律主動通報，以作為守法的表率，對不對？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:46:32.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:46:33.600000+08:00","text":"台糖，對不對？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-10T09:46:33.600000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T09:46:34.600000+08:00","text":"我們當然是要……","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:46:34+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:46:37.666667+08:00","text":"是不是應該作為守法的表率，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-10T09:46:38+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:46:38.500000+08:00","text":"是，當然。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:46:39.444444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:46:40.333333+08:00","text":"所以現在是在打臉政府嗎？","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-10T09:46:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:46:42.857143+08:00","text":"沒有，我要跟委員報告……","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:46:43.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:46:51.833333+08:00","text":"藐視了政府立的法，且沒有依法主動通報，卻要求民間一定要做到？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:46:52+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:46:54.333333+08:00","text":"這標準太奇怪了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡副總經理東霖","start":"2026-08-10T09:46:55.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:47:05.666667+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們買的是原料油，粗油經過精煉之後可以把苯駢芘拿掉大部分……","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:47:07+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:47:11.750000+08:00","text":"請經濟部長，衛福部署長也請一起上來。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:47:13+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:47:51.857143+08:00","text":"你們看，113年3月11號召開的食品業者自主管理說明會官方所公告的內容，其中第三點白紙黑字寫得非常清楚，「食品業者於發現原料或產品有危害衛生安全之處時，應主動停止製造、加工、販賣及辦理回收，並通報直轄市、縣（市）主管機關，違法者，依食安法第四十七條第二款處新臺幣三萬元以上三百萬元以下罰鍰。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:47:53+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:48:00.750000+08:00","text":"」部長，這裡寫得這麼清楚，我想聽聽您的說法。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T09:48:01+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:48:08.750000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我剛才講過了，311號油槽的油並沒有流到市面，而且它是粗油……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:48:08.750000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T09:48:10.200000+08:00","text":"可以通報啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T09:48:10.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:48:11.400000+08:00","text":"並非食品安全規範的範圍……","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:48:12+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:48:14.750000+08:00","text":"你又落入文字漏洞！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:48:16+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:48:24.714286+08:00","text":"部長，我們應該正式面對這樣的問題，因為這才是我們要的，這才是人民要的！","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:48:25+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:48:29.714286+08:00","text":"但到目前為止，花了這麼多時間，還是不清不楚！","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T09:48:30+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:48:36.750000+08:00","text":"後續如果大院修正食安法且通過的話，我們當然依法辦理，依法遵守。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:48:37+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:48:42.727273+08:00","text":"113年的公告已經明明白白、白紙黑字寫得那麼清楚！","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:48:44.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:48:53.666667+08:00","text":"部長，本席要跟你討論的是，到現在為止，你能夠協助民眾什麼？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:48:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:49:05.846154+08:00","text":"我首先請教，這絕對不是單一事件，政府無能，民眾就無奈，這樣將造成國家食安防線全面失守！","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:49:07.090909+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:49:37.727273+08:00","text":"你說只管產品不管原料，等於讓整個法規斷鏈；台糖知情不報，而你卻成為台糖的律師為他辯護，這是行政怠惰；還有，違法業者居然能出席下架標準會議干預決策，這等於決策染黑！","quality":0.712},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:49:38.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:49:54.727273+08:00","text":"部長、台糖副總經理跟衛福部食安署長，你們都在這裡，法規斷鏈、主管機關卸責加上利益迴避機制失靈，等於系統性的崩潰。","quality":0.58},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:49:55.444444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:50:11.666667+08:00","text":"而經濟部更離譜，到底是誰這麼天才，把這樣的事件比照成去菜市場買菜，說買菜時不會去向市場報告這個葉子爛掉？","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:50:12+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:50:13.714286+08:00","text":"這是誰這麼天才啊？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:50:14+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:50:18.615385+08:00","text":"你把我們整個國家的食安當兒戲啊！","quality":0.867},{"speake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:false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:52:10.857143+08:00","text":"有，以公協會來講，他們如果要求償，我們會給予協助，消費者……","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:52:11+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:52:12.750000+08:00","text":"不是，你自己要主動啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T09:52:13+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:52:14.777778+08:00","text":"已經有召開座談會了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:52:15.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:52:15.888889+08:00","text":"你會不會主動？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:52:16+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:52:25.777778+08:00","text":"經濟部成立專案小組協助這些中小企業、攤商、業者，大家一起來協助他們，不要讓他們求償無門。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T09:52:26+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:52:26.857143+08:00","text":"對，我們會，我們會……","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:52:27+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:52:27.833333+08:00","text":"成立專案小組？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T09:52:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:52:28.857143+08:00","text":"座談會，已經有座談會了。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:52:29+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:52:30.777778+08:00","text":"會成立專案小組，是嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:52:31+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:52:31.800000+08:00","text":"來協助他們。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T09:52:32.444444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:52:35.555556+08:00","text":"他們還是要主動啦，因為求償的權利是在他們手上。","quality":0.619},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-10T09:52:36+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T09:52:39.500000+08:00","text":"我具體建議，請經濟部主動來協助，謝謝。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-10T09:52:40+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T09:52:44+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長、署長，還有楊瓊瓔委員。","quality":0.071},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-10T09:52:44.300000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T09:52:48.014286+08:00","text":"接下來，我們請鍾佳濱委員質詢。","quality":0.154}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}