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慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:33:17+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:33:17.750000+08:00","text":"你不知道？對。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:33:18+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:33:19.857143+08:00","text":"你完全不知道誰是通報義務人？對。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:33:19.857143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T11:33:20.857143+08:00","text":"我只知道經濟部跟台糖不是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:33:20+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:33:22.875000+08:00","text":"你今天都沒有把答案準備好就站在這邊！","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:33:23+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:33:27.977778+08:00","text":"拜託，我們臺灣的經濟部長居然是一問三不知，真的讓人家看不下去。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:33:28.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:33:29.057143+08:00","text":"好，你不知道是不是？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:33:29.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:33:36.057143+08:00","text":"沒關係，我接著問，反正我問每一題、每一題你都不知道，人家就會覺得你到底是不是一個適格的經濟部長。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:33:37.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:33:39.033333+08:00","text":"經濟部說爛菜沒有通報的義務……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:33:39.033333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T11:33:40.033333+08:00","text":"你應該問我台糖是不是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:33:39.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:33:45+08:00","text":"部長，請問一下，你吃到毒油……我那一題已經過去了啦，不想問你啦，因為你完全不知道，一問三不知！","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:33:45.311111+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:33:46.950000+08:00","text":"部長，請問吃到毒油也沒關係嘛！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:33:47.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:33:51.075000+08:00","text":"你們說爛菜不用通報，請問吃到毒油，你真的沒有關係嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:33:51.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:33:56.114286+08:00","text":"不用通報受害，不是只有全民，你自己也會受害。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:33:56.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:34:00.200000+08:00","text":"請問一下，你吃到毒油也沒關係嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:34:00.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:34:06.200000+08:00","text":"你吃到毒油也沒關係，你不會這一題也要姜至剛署長上來幫你回答吧！","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:34:06.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:34:12.177778+08:00","text":"台糖檢驗311油槽的油現在還封存在那邊，他沒有交易流出來。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:34:12.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:34:28+08:00","text":"你如果今天不吹哨，毒油就會漫布全臺，就像現在30個批號流出去，連衛福部部長、你所尊敬的衛福部長、能夠幫你提供答案的衛福部長，他都說這些油已經不知流向了，已經吃到你的肚子去了！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:34:28.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:34:31.266667+08:00","text":"所以我們要針對的是不良企業中聯來進行討論。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:34:31.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:34:40.350000+08:00","text":"我覺得比起不良企業，我們的不良部長，可能讓我們全臺灣2,300萬人民更加受害。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:34:40.350000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T11:34:41.350000+08:00","text":"第一線的人應該加強查緝才對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:34:40.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:34:43.433333+08:00","text":"請問一下，經濟部何時知道台糖的事情？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:34:43.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:34:46.327273+08:00","text":"經濟部何時知道台糖事件？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:34:46.327273+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T11:34:47.327273+08:00","text":"哪一件事情？","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:34:46.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:34:55.657143+08:00","text":"就是他去驗收到的油是14.7 ppb，什麼時候知道的？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:34:55.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:34:56.550000+08:00","text":"7月份以後。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:34:57.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:01.577778+08:00","text":"所以講的就是8月1號，8月1號才知道的嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:01.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:02.550000+08:00","text":"是7月這當中。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:02.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:04.466667+08:00","text":"7月當中知道的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:04.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:07.466667+08:00","text":"什麼時候，月初、月中、月尾？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:08.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:09.600000+08:00","text":"7月份當中。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:09.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:10.633333+08:00","text":"當中是哪一天？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:10.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:14.200000+08:00","text":"你早上還回答我們洪毓祥7月28，到了我又變7月中？","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:14.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:22.600000+08:00","text":"7月28號是我們國營司跟政風有去查，然後問的結果是這樣。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:23+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:26.833333+08:00","text":"好啦，7月到底是什麼時候，你講不出來時間，你什麼時候知道台糖這件事嘛？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:26.833333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:28+08:00","text":"我知道就是7月28號嘛！","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:29.666667+08:00","text":"你知道是7月28號？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:30+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:31.777778+08:00","text":"次長是什麼時候知道？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:32+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:32.857143+08:00","text":"次長今天有來嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:33.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:33.833333+08:00","text":"我不知道次長是什麼時候……","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:34+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:36.857143+08:00","text":"你不知道次長何時，那你覺得次長有可能比你更早知道嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:37+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:40.625000+08:00","text":"因為7月中間我有去日本一趟，所以中間我不知道……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:40.625000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:41.625000+08:00","text":"次長呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:44.833333+08:00","text":"次長什麼時候……不是，你覺得次長有可能比你早知道嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:45.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:49.057143+08:00","text":"你覺得你有可能被次長架空，次長比較早知道，而你本人不知道嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:49.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:50.100000+08:00","text":"你覺得有這可能性嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:50.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:50.950000+08:00","text":"我不知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:51.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:53.200000+08:00","text":"所以你是7月28號知道的嘛？對。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:54.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:55.950000+08:00","text":"那你有沒有報告行政院長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:56.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:35:57.109091+08:00","text":"我為什麼要報告行政院長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:35:57.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:01.533333+08:00","text":"你當然要報告行政院長啊，行政院長是比你更厲害的高官啊，他能夠把整件事做控損……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:02.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:03.075000+08:00","text":"這件事情合法、合規。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:03.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:05.057143+08:00","text":"因為你站在質詢臺上，完全都沒有辦法展現出經濟部長的……","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:05.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:07.057143+08:00","text":"這件事情合法、合規，我為什麼要報告？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:07.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:09.057143+08:00","text":"你當然要報告，他不是你的長官嗎？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:09.057143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:10.057143+08:00","text":"不用通報給他嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:09.311111+08:00","guessed":fals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ppb這個叫做合法、合規嗎？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:17.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:28+08:00","text":"我們來看一下這個產品，根據食安法第七條第五項，食品業者發現產品有危害衛生安全之虞，已經超過14.7 ppb還合法合規？","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:28.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:30.257143+08:00","text":"你不知道14.7所代表的意義嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:30.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:32.200000+08:00","text":"這個還叫做合法合規嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:32.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:33.275000+08:00","text":"這個叫合法合規嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:33.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:35.177778+08:00","text":"這個對衛生安全沒有……","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:35.566667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:37.233333+08:00","text":"衛福部跟地方政府已經解釋過了。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:37.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:38.200000+08:00","text":"解釋過什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:40.581818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:41.309091+08:00","text":"台糖公司不是通報義務人。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:41.763636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:43.218182+08:00","text":"台糖公司不是通報義務人？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:43.218182+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:44.218182+08:00","text":"它是食品，為什麼他不是通報義務人？","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:44.218182+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:45.218182+08:00","text":"對，那批貨也不是通報標的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:45.218182+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:46.218182+08:00","text":"法條是給你們這樣胡亂解釋的嗎？","quality":0.071},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:44.933333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:47.509091+08:00","text":"法條是讓你們站在質詢臺上這樣作為搪塞的理由嗎？","quality":0.591},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:47.509091+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:50.600000+08:00","text":"那批貨現在還在中聯的工廠裡面。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:50.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:52.488889+08:00","text":"好啦，你就告訴我，你是7月28號知道的，是嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:54.933333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:56.500000+08:00","text":"7月28號知道，你有沒有告訴行政院院長？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:56.500000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T11:36:57.500000+08:00","text":"不需要。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:36:56.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:37:01.400000+08:00","text":"行政院長是比你更厲害的高官啊，他可以出來對這件事情停損啦！","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:37:01.400000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T11:37:02.400000+08:00","text":"不需要。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:37:02.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:37:06.433333+08:00","text":"現在你就是比行政院長更厲害就是了，事情可以不用通報行政院長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:37:06.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:37:14.523077+08:00","text":"你沒有讓你的長官停損，他怎麼樣去食安報告，跟國人做詳細的說明？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:37:14.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:37:22.500000+08:00","text":"反正你現在完全忽略你站的質詢臺的位置，也忽略你的長官石崇良的存在，是這樣的意思嗎？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:37:22.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:37:23.500000+08:00","text":"是這樣的意思嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:37:23.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:37:24.350000+08:00","text":"什麼意思？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:37:24.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:37:42.418182+08:00","text":"意思就是你沒有通報你的長官，你沒有讓他對事情停損，他如果要下臺也要有心理準備，你都沒有讓人家知道台糖毒油事件的最新劇情，他要做危害的控管啊，你不讓你的長官知道嗎？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:37:42.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:37:44.314286+08:00","text":"你不讓他知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:37:44.314286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T11:37:45.314286+08:00","text":"合法合規的事情……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:37:44.742857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:37:47.475000+08:00","text":"728你沒有告訴他，今天已經8月9號了，你都沒有告訴他嗎？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:37:47.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:37:48.457143+08:00","text":"合法合規的事情不需要通報。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:37:48.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:37:50.100000+08:00","text":"合法合規哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員慧洳","start":"2026-08-10T11:37:50.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-10T11:37:54.350000+08:00","text":"已經超標14.7還合法合規，完全是睜眼說瞎話。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-08-10T11:37:54.350000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-10T11:37:55.600000+08:00","te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