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誠、對敵國表達忠誠，現在修法版本的文字，未來國防部在宣導上會不會遇到爭議？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-12T09:21:49.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:21:53.680000+08:00","text":"還是實際發生的時候會不會遊走在邊緣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-12T09:21:53.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:22:08.451429+08:00","text":"也就是，他只是在心裡想，拿著一張紙、一枝筆在寫，他就是邊想邊寫，然後那張紙就放在桌上，被抓到的時候問他寫這個要做什麼？","quality":0.442},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-12T09:22:08.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:22:10.546667+08:00","text":"他就說沒有，只是寫著好玩。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-12T09:22:11.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:22:22.556364+08:00","text":"我的意思是，這些東西在修法的文字上有沒有更精進讓國軍可以更遵循的方式？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-08-12T09:22:22.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:22:44.674286+08:00","text":"跟委員做個說明，後續陸海空軍刑法第二十四條修正草案通過之後，我們會透過政法令的宣導，另外也透過莒光園地向全軍官兵做政令宣導，讓所有官士兵都知道第二十四條修正草案修正完的法令是怎麼樣。","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-08-12T09:22:45.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:22:58.710000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，首先是每一個個案都要經過個人的主觀犯意，其次是有犯罪的事實，再來就是由檢察官認定。","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-08-12T09:22:59.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:23:15+08:00","text":"有關軍人違紀跟違法的部分不太一樣，違法的部分以陸海空軍刑法實施處分，另外，違紀的部分則是按照陸海空軍懲罰法實施，所以有區分兩個部分做處理。好。","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-12T09:23:15.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:23:29.600000+08:00","text":"因為我擔心以後實務上發生的時候，每一條都要檢察官認定，弄到最後也可能會有文字獄，這個很難說！","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-12T09:23:30+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:23:45.817778+08:00","text":"所以相關的立法過程，跟接下來立法完成之後可能要更細緻一點，不然的話有的人就遊走在邊緣，到時候出事了就說並沒有寫得很清楚，這樣做哪裡錯了？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-12T09:23:46.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:23:46.790000+08:00","text":"就類似這樣。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-12T09:23:47.611429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:23:57.873333+08:00","text":"再來我請教一下，職業軍人如果吸毒被抓到，下一步是什麼？","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-08-12T09:23:59.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:24:05.840000+08:00","text":"第一個部分，我們按照刑法額度以及原先的條例實施處分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-08-12T09:24:06.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:24:10.857778+08:00","text":"第二個部分，軍人販毒基本上是以汰除為主。汰除？是。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-12T09:24:14.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:24:16.807273+08:00","text":"所以軍人毒駕會再毒駕嗎？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-08-12T09:24:18.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:24:28.898182+08:00","text":"基本上，在他毒駕的時候，同時就已經犯了毒駕的……我們是會實施汰除，不會讓他再有毒駕的行為！對嘛！","quality":0.683},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-12T09:24:29.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:24:35.756364+08:00","text":"所以陸海空軍刑法關於軍人毒駕再犯這種事情不會發生嘛？","quality":0.64},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-08-12T09:24:37.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:24:37.834286+08:00","text":"基本上是不會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-12T09:24:38.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:24:38.453333+08:00","text":"不會嘛？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-08-12T09:24:39.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:24:40.853333+08:00","text":"對，因為毒駕完就會實施汰除的作業。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-12T09:24:41.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:24:49.920000+08:00","text":"OK，所以陸海空軍刑法如果要修毒駕的部分就是一次而已，他也不會有再毒駕的事情發生嘛！","quality":0.641},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-12T09:24:50.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:24:50.953333+08:00","text":"這有沒有確定啊？","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-08-12T09:24:55.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:25:13.978182+08:00","text":"這個也有牽涉到役期的問題，因為義務役是沒有汰除的問題，志願役的部分基本上都是以汰除為主，義務役的部分，我們也是按照陸海空軍刑法，但是他有基本的役期要服。","quality":0.757},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-12T09:25:15.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:25:24.910000+08:00","text":"如果義務役毒駕被抓到，他的駕照也被沒收了，結果回來之後，他又繼續毒駕。","quality":0.355},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-08-12T09:25:27.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:25:43.950000+08:00","text":"基本上我們會有刑懲並行的方式，也就是，他的刑事責任必須要負，但是刑懲並行，我們也會對他實施相關類似禁足或是禁閉的規範來處分。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-12T09:25:44.414286+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:26:05.009231+08:00","text":"因為我們現在在修這個法的時候，也會遇到再犯，條文裡面有規定再犯的事宜，所以文字上再考量一下，就是你跟我說有分志願役和義務役，志願役就直接汰除了，所以志願役沒有毒駕再犯的可能，但志願役有酒駕再犯的問題嗎？","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-08-12T09:26:06.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:26:26.240000+08:00","text":"因為酒駕的型態各自不同，所以我們會依據它各自型態的不同，原先我們酒駕也是以汰除為主，但是它態樣不同，所以經過審議委員會之後會有比較不一樣的判決，但是基本上也是不容許發生酒駕這件事情。好。","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"王委員義川","start":"2026-08-12T09:26:27.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:26:56.12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