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點適合的土地，或者是整體開發計畫、都市更新等等這些，所以才會有這樣的3萬戶出現，詳細的部分我可以請國土署署長跟您做簡單的回報。好。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-08-12T09:42:29+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:43:05.888889+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們每次在做這些社宅數量的盤點一定會跟地方政府開會，我們先針對優先土地沒有問題的部分會寫在報院計畫，這個部分每年都會滾動式檢討，所以我們依照目前既有的用地存量跟地方政府協調大概目前可以做的量，這個叫第一階段，3萬戶叫第一階段，它是可以做的，每年都會滾動檢討，如果地方政府繼續盤點一些整開區的土地再提供出來，我們會再去核新的案子，所以這個部分其實是這樣在進行，它會分很多階段，以上。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-08-12T09:43:06.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:43:07.714286+08:00","text":"謝謝署長的說明。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-08-12T09:43:08+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:43:28.826087+08:00","text":"其實部長跟署長已經講得非常清楚了，第一個，13萬戶目標不變；第二個，3萬戶是目前第一階段已經盤點出來可以做的，剩下的10萬戶是希望地方政府一定要配合，我們陸續配合、陸續滾動式檢討，找到更多土地之後，陸續達到13萬戶的目標，是不是？以上。","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T09:43:29+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:43:43.833333+08:00","text":"對，除了地方政府配合之外，也要拜託大院能夠支持我們有關於容獎條例裡面的3個法案，這個法案如果通過的話，也會刺激比較多其他民間業者來蓋比較多以婚育宅為主的社會住宅。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-08-12T09:43:44.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:43:45.750000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長的補充。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-08-12T09:43:46.166667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:44:10.750000+08:00","text":"再來要請教租賃條例，因為去年租賃條例修法有三大目標，但是這一次推出來的三大目標好像只剩下其中一項，去年的目標，第一個是保障3年租期；第二個是限制續約租金漲幅；第三個是強化租賃雙方權益的保障。","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-08-12T09:44:11+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:44:16.750000+08:00","text":"可是目前看起來是不是只剩下強化租賃雙方權益保障呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-08-12T09:44:17.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:44:32.666667+08:00","text":"我必須在這邊要表達很多青年朋友的聲音，因為很多居住議題的團體跟青年朋友都表達非常擔憂，覺得這個版本如果先上路，是不是變成房東先、房客後？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-08-12T09:44:33+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:44:39.800000+08:00","text":"會不會變成你們所謂有共識的部分是跟房東的共識，而不是跟房客的共識呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T09:44:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:44:55.833333+08:00","text":"報告委員，我知道委員非常關心年輕人，尤其是房客之間權益的部分，所以我們一開始跟很多包括委員在內或者是其他團體，確實是以房客權益為優先。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T09:44:56+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:45:23+08:00","text":"但是我們在送院或者是跟很多團體溝通的過程當中，我們也知道這個是需要大院同意的，在大院同意的過程當中，如果我們把修法直接推出來，到大院裡面恐怕也會引起更多的爭端，所以我們採取比較保守的做法，就是能夠過的，我們先把它推出來，這個可能跟委員的期待會有落差，相關的修法方向，我是不是請地政司長先跟委員做個簡單的報告？好。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"林司長家正","start":"2026-08-12T09:45:23+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T09:45:28.142857+08:00","text":"委員好，感謝委員關心租賃條例。","quality":0.231},{"speaker":"林司長家正","start":"2026-08-12T09:45:28.142857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:45:52.826087+08:00","text":"第一個部分，誠如部長所說，我們已經有召開很多會議來做討論，現在就有共識的部分先送出來，有共識的部分當然也有包含到保障房客的部分，例如現在年輕學生或年輕人非常關心拒絕租補的問題，那些相關的條文我們都有納在裡面，有直接處罰的規定。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-08-12T09:45:53.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:46:17.846154+08:00","text":"我知道，就是現在目前有的是房東不可以以任何形式禁止租客申請租補，還有遷戶籍的部分也都是要允許的，當然最後還有租霸條款其實是比較保障房東的權益，但是後面租期的部分還有租金漲幅，我不知道現在障礙在哪裡，接下來會怎麼陸續推動呢？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-08-12T09:46:18+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:46:22.772727+08:00","text":"因為其實這兩款對於年輕人來說是非常非常在意的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林司長家正","start":"2026-08-12T09:46:23+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:46:37.812500+08:00","text":"接下來的部分，我們也會跟大家繼續做溝通討論，這次沒有送出來的部分，包含現在條例裡面還有一些要跟司法院討論，這個部分我們以後都會再持續進行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-08-12T09:46:38+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:47:02.583333+08:00","text":"好，我還是在這邊再一次表達，因為青年團體第一時間就有出來不管是開記者會，然後反映給我知道，他們真的非常關心，不希望到時候租賃條例裡面本來說好的三大方向，只剩下對房東比較有利的，我希望要衡平，兩邊的權益都要照顧到，這個也是我們當初想要修租賃條例的精神跟目標。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"林司長家正","start":"2026-08-12T09:47:03+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:47:05.833333+08:00","text":"我們會持續再溝通，跟大家討論，謝謝委員。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-08-12T09:47:06+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:47:06.666667+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-08-12T09:47:07.193548+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:47:28.761905+08:00","text":"最後一點時間請花董事長再針對兆基的部分多做一下說明，因為我最擔心的是，畢竟兆基還是承辦包租代管裡面其中很大的一部分，我不希望因為單一企業自己經營管理的問題，影響到政策目標還有相關租客。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-08-12T09:47:29+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:47:34.666667+08:00","text":"你剛剛說不是2.8萬戶，總共是多少戶數受到影響？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-08-12T09:47:35.642857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:47:37.785714+08:00","text":"你們都有陸續協助他們了嗎？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T09:47:38.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:47:39.600000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T09:47:40+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:48:16.800000+08:00","text":"我想兩家公司都要一併說比較好，第一個，寄居蟹公司現在的服務案件有6,600個案子，從前天開始，我們已經開始啟動對寄居蟹的服務案件轉銜到其他社宅包租代管業者手上，目前有90家業者可以承接，到現在為止，大概有400案已經開始處理中，房東已經表示意願了，我們已經開始處理中，預計應該在一個月之內可以把寄居蟹這6,600案處理完畢，避免其他衍生的問題。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T09:48:17.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:48:31.764706+08:00","text":"兆基有兩部分，一部分大概有8,500件左右是中央政府的社宅包租代管，另外有七千多件是六都、縣市政府的社宅包租代管案件。","quality":0.843},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T09:48:32.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:48:51.722222+08:00","text":"因為這一個禮拜以來，兆基公司內部，大家從輿情也看到，董事長有經過幾次輪換，前天他們又重新開了董事會，選出代理總經理，已經開始針對他們公司內部的帳務、財務著手處理。","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T09:48:52.222222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:49:19.714286+08:00","text":"我們當然一方面有跟他們直接聯繫了解，一方面透過媒體了解，現在的了解是，昨天他們本來被警示的帳戶應該已經解凍了，今天他們會跟銀行團開會協商，所有的負債、融資都會重新配置，預計他們應該是8月27號會開臨時股東會重新選舉新的董監事。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T09:49:20+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:49:40.800000+08:00","text":"所以我們會樂觀看待最近的發展，如果順利的話，兆基公司如果在8月底的董事會能夠把新的董監事選舉完畢，而且穩定下來，其實這家公司就沒有問題，就可以再回復到正常運作底下，這部分我們每天都會盯著他們的進度來觀察。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T09:49:41.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:49:51.833333+08:00","text":"至於寄居蟹的案子，我們每天也都會有新的轉銜成績出來，所以這個部分相對起來，目前可以比較稍微放心，但是我們還是會很警惕地看。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員捷","start":"2026-08-12T09:49:52.142857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:50:01.666667+08:00","text":"謝謝花董事長，這個要再拜託，我不希望我們包租代管的政績會因為單一公司自己的經營管理問題受到影響，謝謝。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T09:50:02+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:50:02.500000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-12T09:50:07+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:50:09.769231+08:00","text":"下一位請張宏陸委員發言質詢。","quality":0.923}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}