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那另外"},{"start":318.4,"end":320.4,"text":"這個"},{"start":320.4,"end":322.4,"text":"部長"},{"start":322.4,"end":324.4,"text":"我們"},{"start":324.4,"end":326.4,"text":"這個社宅的新建"},{"start":326.4,"end":328.4,"text":"我們這個"},{"start":328.4,"end":330.4,"text":"預計25萬戶"},{"start":330.4,"end":332.4,"text":"這個目標應該沒有改變吧"},{"start":334.4,"end":336.4,"text":"總統加在一起"},{"start":336.4,"end":338.4,"text":"這個目標一定是沒有改變的"},{"start":338.4,"end":340.4,"text":"沒有改變啦"},{"start":340.4,"end":342.4,"text":"那現在"},{"start":342.4,"end":344.4,"text":"有一些聲音說"},{"start":344.4,"end":346.4,"text":"變了什麼3萬什麼"},{"start":346.4,"end":348.4,"text":"我個人看的資料"},{"start":348.4,"end":350.4,"text":"覺得不是耶"},{"start":350.4,"end":352.4,"text":"那個是現在現階段"},{"start":352.4,"end":354.4,"text":"可以馬上做跟地方政府"},{"start":354.4,"end":356.4,"text":"已經確定的"},{"start":356.4,"end":358.4,"text":"這個是3萬戶嘛"},{"start":358.4,"end":360.4,"text":"這個就是已經"},{"start":360.4,"end":362.4,"text":"我們要蓋的"},{"start":362.4,"end":364.4,"text":"但是這個是已經說"},{"start":364.4,"end":366.4,"text":"訂案可以趕快來實施的"},{"start":366.4,"end":368.4,"text":"這個是應該是說"},{"start":368.4,"end":370.4,"text":"已經賣出了3萬戶了"},{"start":370.4,"end":372.4,"text":"應該是這樣講吧"},{"start":372.4,"end":374.4,"text":"因為我們要跟地方政府多做溝通"},{"start":374.4,"end":376.4,"text":"所以才會出現這樣的數字"},{"start":376.4,"end":378.4,"text":"對 但是這個3萬戶"},{"start":378.4,"end":380.4,"text":"就是地方政府也都OK了"},{"start":380.4,"end":382.4,"text":"我們就是馬上要賣出了"},{"start":382.4,"end":384.4,"text":"馬上要開始了"},{"start":384.4,"end":386.4,"text":"等於說我們的十幾萬"},{"start":386.4,"end":388.4,"text":"我們這3萬戶已經要開始了"},{"start":388.4,"end":390.4,"text":"應該是這樣才對吧"},{"start":390.4,"end":392.4,"text":"這個就是跟地方政府都已經溝通好"},{"start":392.4,"end":394.4,"text":"所以我們要開始啟動"},{"start":394.4,"end":396.4,"text":"所有的相關的發包作業"},{"start":396.4,"end":398.4,"text":"設計作業等等"},{"start":398.4,"end":400.4,"text":"所以應該是我們的十幾萬戶"},{"start":400.4,"end":402.4,"text":"目標不變"},{"start":402.4,"end":404.4,"text":"但是3萬戶已經要啟動了"},{"start":404.4,"end":406.4,"text":"對不對"},{"start":406.4,"end":408.4,"text":"應該是這樣子才對嘛"},{"start":408.4,"end":410.4,"text":"像我們到下半年又會再跟地方政府"},{"start":410.4,"end":412.4,"text":"檢討那明年後年"},{"start":412.4,"end":414.4,"text":"有沒有再增加的 因為他們土地會慢慢"},{"start":414.4,"end":416.4,"text":"配合一整開區"},{"start":416.4,"end":418.4,"text":"或者是都市就要變更"},{"start":418.4,"end":420.4,"text":"會慢慢的去取得 所以這個部分我們一直在檢討"},{"start":420.4,"end":422.4,"text":"對嘛 所以我說的沒錯"},{"start":422.4,"end":424.4,"text":"這應該是第一階段"},{"start":424.4,"end":426.4,"text":"已經要來做的嘛"},{"start":426.4,"end":428.4,"text":"對不對 我覺得這個可能"},{"start":428.4,"end":430.4,"text":"也要說清楚"},{"start":430.4,"end":432.4,"text":"讓大家了解啦 好不好"},{"start":432.4,"end":434.4,"text":"好 那就這樣 謝謝"},{"start":436.4,"end":438.4,"text":"好 謝謝張宏祿委員"},{"start":438.4,"end":440.4,"text":"先請廖心祥委員質詢"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:50:15+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:50:19.288000+08:00","text":"我先請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T09:50:22.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:50:25.240000+08:00","text":"張委員好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:50:27.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:51:13.171429+08:00","text":"部長，像剛剛兆基這個事情，除了包租代管是政府在推，其實現在的運行也算不錯，部長，像這個案子未來有沒有可能像旅行業者有品保協會，如果這家旅行業者出了問題，其他旅行社業者可以馬上出面承接業務，才不會造成消費者的損失，我們可不可以朝這個方向來做？","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T09:51:13.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:51:15.114286+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的指教。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T09:51:15.685714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:51:37.218182+08:00","text":"委員提出的是非常好的建議，由這次的案件裡面我們發現到，第一個，包租代管業者在租賃條例裡面，確實是租賃服務業，這個租賃服務業我們以前在訂定的時候，並沒有把所謂防弊的措施提供出來，由這次的案件當中，我們會從這個地方來檢討。","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T09:51:37.566667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:51:51.266667+08:00","text":"剛剛張委員有特別提到，仿效像旅行業者品保機制來共同承擔出現包租代管業者與消費者之間若干權益的損失的話，我們可以朝這個方向來努力處理。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T09:51:51.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:51:59.233333+08:00","text":"另外，我們地政司也可以就租約的接續或是業者的退場機制訂定相關的處理機制。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:51:59.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:52:04.900000+08:00","text":"對，反正這個方向部長也認同嘛，對不對？是的。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:52:05.581818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:52:47.133333+08:00","text":"未來我們就可以大聲地跟全國人民講，只要是包租代管，講法令大家不一定聽得懂，但就像是旅行業品保協會這樣，你也不用擔心，因為講句比較簡單的，房子在那邊，房東也在那邊，租客也在那邊，就是中間這個橋梁有獲得保障而已，這個風險比旅行社的業者有的要直接拿錢出來，其實這個還比較……我個人認為手續複雜而已，但金錢的損失還不如旅行社業者的損失大。對。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:52:47.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:53:01.200000+08:00","text":"所以我覺得如果是可以朝這樣的方向，我們就可以大聲講，未來讓包租代管的房東也放心、租客也放心，部長，是不是這樣？","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T09:53:01.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:53:09.400000+08:00","text":"謝謝，未來不管是在行政措施上面或是制度的建立，我們會朝著委員所提供的方向來努力。好。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:53:10.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:53:25.257143+08:00","text":"另外，部長，租金補貼違建戶的部分，寬限期是到年底，這個部分現在處理得怎麼樣？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T09:53:26.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:53:31.177778+08:00","text":"委員所關心的類似像頂加的部分……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:53:31.177778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T09:53:32.177778+08:00","text":"對，頂加。","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T09:53:31.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:53:37.066667+08:00","text":"我請國土署跟委員來做一下簡單的數據上說明。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:53:37.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:53:39.114286+08:00","text":"好，請國土署，不用啦，就說有怎麼處理就好了。","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-08-12T09:53:39.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:54:03.114286+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，目前寬限期到今年底，因為有一些需要社會單位去關懷、政府去關懷的地方，目前還在持續，但我們接到地方政府反映，有些還是需要再繼續去幫忙，他們是希望到明年底，所以我們目前也在研議中，這個部分還沒有簽到部長那邊，我們有在研議中。好。","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:54:03.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:54:27.246154+08:00","text":"我記得我之前就有說過，這個問題我也支持，但很多鄉下地方，尤其是偏鄉，你記得我之前有講，你要叫他現在去找一個合法的地方，他可能找不到，鄉下有的房子可能比政府成立還久，但它可能就是違建。","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:54:27.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:54:47.114286+08:00","text":"所以部長，就這個問題，如果還有寬限期，我覺得在都會區跟郊區是不是應該有不同的標準來處理，然後把它處理好？","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T09:54:47.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:55:03.066667+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，委員對於弱勢的家庭，尤其是委員也提到，會住在頂加的人，可能他在經濟上是相對弱勢，所以我們本來就有一年的寬限期，是我們內政部跟衛福部從社會福利的角度或是社會救助的角度來處理這一塊。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T09:55:03.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:55:31.400000+08:00","text":"現在我們盤點、稽核出來，全臺灣大概有四百多戶，這四百多戶會列為專案的列管，如果像委員剛剛所說的，第一個是偏鄉的部分，第二個，他在居住上沒有其他安全方面的顧慮，我們會專案來輔導、來處理，只要地方縣市政府或者是衛福部不會太反對的話，我們會樂觀其成，並且繼續協助他們。好。","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:55:32.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:55:47.218182+08:00","text":"另外，部長，有關社宅的興建，預計25萬戶的目標應該沒有改變吧？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T09:55:49.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:55:53.233333+08:00","text":"蔡總統跟賴總統的加在一起，目標一定是沒有改變的。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:55:53.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:55:55+08:00","text":"沒有改變啦！是。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:55:56.066667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:56:13.066667+08:00","text":"現在有一些聲音說什麼變了、變成3萬什麼的，我個人看了資料後覺得不是，那是現階段可以馬上做跟地方政府已經確定的是3萬戶嘛。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T09:56:13.066667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T09:56:14.066667+08:00","text":"第一階段，對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:56:13.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:56:27.114286+08:00","text":"這是我們已經要蓋的，就是已經可以定案、可以趕快來實施的，應該是說已經賣出3萬戶了，應該是這樣講吧？","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T09:56:27.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:56:31.218182+08:00","text":"因為我們要跟地方政府多做溝通，所以才會出現這樣的數字。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:56:31.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:56:45.150000+08:00","text":"對，但是這3萬戶就是地方政府也都OK了，我們就是馬上要賣出了、馬上要開始了，等於說在十幾萬戶中，這3萬戶已經要開始了，應該是這樣才對吧！","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-08-12T09:56:45.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:56:53.066667+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個部分就是跟地方政府都已經溝通好、用地沒有問題，所以我們要開始啟動所有相關的發包作業、設計作業等等。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:56:53.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:56:58+08:00","text":"對嘛，所以是我們十幾萬戶的目標不變，但是這3萬戶……","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-08-12T09:56:58+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T09:56:59+08:00","text":"沒有變，3萬戶是第一階段。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:56:58.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:57:00.733333+08:00","text":"已經要啟動了，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:57:01.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:57:03.177778+08:00","text":"應該是這樣子才對嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-08-12T09:57:03.533333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:57:15.300000+08:00","text":"對，我們到下半年又會再跟地方政府檢討明年、後年有沒有再增加的，因為他們的土地會配合整開區或是都市計畫變更慢慢地去取得，所以這個部分我們一直在檢討。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:57:15.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:57:27.177778+08:00","text":"對，所以我說的沒錯嘛，這應該是第一階段已經要來做的，我覺得這個可能也要說清楚，讓大家了解。好。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"張委員宏陸","start":"2026-08-12T09:57:27.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:57:29.114286+08:00","text":"好，那就這樣，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席（王委員鴻薇代）","start":"2026-08-12T09:57:31.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:57:33.150000+08:00","text":"謝謝張宏陸委員。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席（王委員鴻薇代）","start":"2026-08-12T09:57:33.622222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T09:57:35.177778+08:00","text":"現在請廖先翔委員質詢。","quality":0.6}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}