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有啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鍾副部長樹明","start":"2026-08-12T10:01:37.666667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T10:01:38.666667+08:00","text":"我請聯三來回答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"彭助理次長國洲","start":"2026-08-12T10:01:38+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:01:47.777778+08:00","text":"報告委員，目前進行到現在為止，是沒有發現有進入到營區，但是反無人機的演練部分，我們持續把它納進來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:01:48+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:01:55.769231+08:00","text":"所以今年到現在，這次漢光42號演習沒有發現像去年澎湖營區有無人機干擾營區的事件發生？是。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:01:56.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:02:07.700000+08:00","text":"我想講的重點，就是我們這次新型的干擾系統有沒有辦法實際去反制？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:02:08+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:02:11.733333+08:00","text":"這次演習到現在的成效到底是怎麼樣？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:02:12+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:02:14.800000+08:00","text":"這次有在做驗證，你們有沒有初步的了解？","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"彭助理次長國洲","start":"2026-08-12T10:02:15+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:02:27.833333+08:00","text":"有關於無人機的反制主要區分成軟殺和硬殺，軟殺的部分是藉由我們進行偵蒐利用電子反制的方式來做；硬殺的部分……","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:02:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:02:47.750000+08:00","text":"是啦，不管什麼方式，我在問的是，當有無人機來了，我們現在進行反制、干擾的驗證，無人機我們講了那麼久了，無人機不是只有去攻擊別人，也有反制、干擾，現在這部分的驗證，你覺得成效怎麼樣？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"彭助理次長國洲","start":"2026-08-12T10:02:48+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:02:56.777778+08:00","text":"我們具有一定程度的反制能力，但是報告委員，因為無人機的技術不斷地在精進，所以這個部分我們會持續精進。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:02:57+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:03:05.333333+08:00","text":"我們當然要精進，我的意思是，我們驗證到現在，總是有些能力反干擾、反制它。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"彭助理次長國洲","start":"2026-08-12T10:03:05.333333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T10:03:06.333333+08:00","text":"對，不管是軟殺還是硬殺。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:03:06+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:03:07.800000+08:00","text":"結果我們現在成效如何？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭助理次長國洲","start":"2026-08-12T10:03:08+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:03:09.714286+08:00","text":"都有一定的能力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:03:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:03:11.833333+08:00","text":"有一定的能力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:03:13.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:03:32.777778+08:00","text":"當然，核心的問題，其實演習就是在驗證我們整個戰力，我們一直在講發展無人機的重要，反無人機干擾的部分其實對於整個不對稱戰力的提升都是非常的重要。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:03:33+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:04:00.823529+08:00","text":"另外，我要請教的是，我們歷年漢光演習差不多集中在4到7月，我看了一下時間，2024年因為凱米颱風提前終止以後，所以今年就排在8月，從現代戰爭來看已經改變了，比如無人載具，還有民船的軍用、遠距的打擊，敵軍的攻擊、對你造成威脅的人不一定在傳統的季節去做限制。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:04:01+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:04:11.769231+08:00","text":"另外一方面，颱風、豪雨，像花蓮堰塞湖等極端災害都可能讓國軍投入大量的人力。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:04:12.181818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:04:46.800000+08:00","text":"本席想問兩件事，我們未來的漢光演習有沒有可能去建立一個更有彈性的期限跟備援的機制，來確保重要的海空或者實彈科目，不受天候反覆而取消，兵推有沒有可能納入最壞情況，比如臺灣正在發生重大的天然災害，或國軍大量投入救災，這個時候敵軍趁隙發動攻擊，兵推總是要設想各種不同的狀況，這兩個問題有沒有可能？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"彭助理次長國洲","start":"2026-08-12T10:04:48.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:05:11.785714+08:00","text":"報告委員，其實漢光演習的訓練，我們是採取循序漸進跟連續的想定導引，實際上就會依照包含部隊的戰備任務還有我們的訓練目標來排定，因為要結合實戰，所以天候狀況對於實戰的影響，也是在我們整個訓練的考驗之中。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"彭助理次長國洲","start":"2026-08-12T10:05:12.222222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:05:42.714286+08:00","text":"因為今年的漢光演習是有想定無劇本的安排，所以天候狀況也是在我們這次的狀況之中，所以，今年的漢光演習在白海豚颱風來襲的時候，委員可以看到，我們部分科目也是在環境允許的狀況之下，在風雨之中來進行，但是，各種不管是航空器或是戰備部隊的進行，我們都會依照天候標準來確保安全的狀況之下，結合想定來執行。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:05:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:06:05.777778+08:00","text":"是啦，因為漢光演習其實就是對整個戰力的驗證，戰力驗證的話，不可能我們去設定單獨的，好像戰爭如何去進行，或者突發狀況怎麼樣一切都是在我們的控制之內，有太多的變數，所以相關的部分其實我們也都應該去做一個想定，把它列為一個科目。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:06:06.187500+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:06:13.571429+08:00","text":"另外，最後一個問題要請教的就是，我記得我三年前曾經提到運動役的問題。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:06:14.562500+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:06:30.800000+08:00","text":"我們現在恢復一年的義務役，但18到22歲其實是一個運動員競技養成的黃金期，大家擔心的是，一年的訓練空窗期確實會影響到整個職業生涯。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:06:31+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:06:49.625000+08:00","text":"可是本席也在思考，如果單獨恢復體育替代役也會碰到兵源甚至於公平性的問題，有人會問運動員可以服替代役，那有半導體或是AI、資安等專長的人才，為什麼又變成不可以？","quality":0.753},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-12T10:06:50+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:07:09.600000+08:00","text":"所以我要請教國防部的就是，有沒有可能去思考，在不破壞兵役的公平、不影響到兵源需求的前提之下，我們去降低一年役期對於頂尖運動員的職涯衝擊，是不是到現在是可以再重新思考運動役的時候？","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"莊委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