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經營團隊。","quality":0.739},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:07:36.217391+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:07:40.782609+08:00","text":"請問一下，他們包租代管的房東及房客的權益會不會有問題？","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T10:07:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:07:43.750000+08:00","text":"目前都還在服務的狀態當中，並沒有誰受到……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:07:44.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:07:57.692308+08:00","text":"請問一下，昨天兆基公司公開承認已被列為警示戶，因為有人去檢舉，它被列為警示戶，警示戶解除了嗎？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T10:07:58+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:08:00.800000+08:00","text":"這案子在昨天傍晚已經解除警示了。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:08:01+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:08:01.800000+08:00","text":"解除警示？是。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:08:02.266667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:08:11.727273+08:00","text":"請問一下，還會不會有一些投資人……因為現在投資人都組成自救會了，也有來跟我投訴。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:08:12.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:08:22.736842+08:00","text":"請問一下，還會不會有其他投資人繼續控告兆基公司，使得它的銀行帳戶進入警示戶的階段？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T10:08:23+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:08:31+08:00","text":"這個東西我沒有辦法判斷，但是經過昨天那一次的歷程，我相信銀行團應該都……","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:08:32+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:08:56+08:00","text":"董事長，我必須要講，你不能講得雲淡風輕，因為所有包租代管的房客的錢進入兆基公司的帳戶，兆基公司再從它的帳戶把錢給房東，所以一旦它的帳戶出現任何的被凍結或者進入警示戶，第一個當然就是房東及房客的權益同時受損。是。","quality":0.814},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T10:08:56+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T10:08:57.444444+08:00","text":"所以我們……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:08:57.444444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:09:03.833333+08:00","text":"另外，我請問一下，我看到你前面的質詢，你認為兆基公司沒有問題嗎？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T10:09:04+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:09:21.800000+08:00","text":"我沒有說兆基公司沒有問題，現在他們公司內部團隊正在進行重整、重組的過程，我也都會持續去了解他們的狀況，甚至我們在昨天已經約詢過一次，我們要求他們在禮拜五把公司所有財報提送到住都中心表達……","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:09:23+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:09:55.692308+08:00","text":"我想請問一下，你也應該知道，他們公司立刻改組，另外一位股東宏碁接任董事長之後，2天就立刻辭掉了，而且直接說這家公司的管理有問題，擔心投資的問題會擴大，所以它自己裡面的股東去接任董事長2天，就不敢再繼續接任了，代表這家公司大有問題啊！","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T10:09:56+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:09:58.153846+08:00","text":"我覺得因為它新的代理總經理已經選出來了……","quality":0.316},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:10:00+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:10:08.777778+08:00","text":"花董事長，如果這次從寄居蟹到兆基，他們整個包租代管高達2萬戶以上，有說到2萬8,000戶。","quality":0.686},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T10:10:08.777778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T10:10:09.777778+08:00","text":"沒有啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T10:10:09.777778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T10:10:10.777778+08:00","text":"應該是……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇：一個寄居蟹說","start":"2026-08-12T10:10:10.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:10:10.800000+08:00","text":"我不幹了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇：一個寄居蟹說","start":"2026-08-12T10:10:11+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:10:27.714286+08:00","text":"一個兆基現在可能被列入警示戶，還有投資人組成自救會要跟它求償，可能有漫長的司法程序，這麼龐大的房租、房東及房客的權益要怎麼樣保障呢？","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T10:10:27.714286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T10:10:29+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:10:29+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:10:30.833333+08:00","text":"這真的是一個非常大的風暴耶！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T10:10:31.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:10:38.636364+08:00","text":"寄居蟹的案子，當然我們這個月接下來陸續轉銜出去之後，就不會有房東及房客潛在糾紛的問題。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T10:10:39.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:10:52.636364+08:00","text":"至於兆基的部分，我們現階段還是要尊重他們的經營團隊及現在的股東，他們預計8月27日要開臨時股東會選任出新任的董監事等等。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T10:10:53.181818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:10:58.857143+08:00","text":"針對這部分，我們當然要尊重這些權利人對自己公司的處置過程，我們也會去盯緊他們的進度……","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:10:59.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:11:09.666667+08:00","text":"董事長，因為時間有限，你們在尊重之餘，要怎麼樣保障這些房東及房客的權益，就變得非常非常重要。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T10:11:09.666667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T10:11:10.666667+08:00","text":"對，沒有錯！","quality":0},{"speaker":"花董事長敬群","start":"2026-08-12T10:11:10.666667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T10:11:11.666667+08:00","text":"我們現在有幾筆錢……","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:11:10.857143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:11:12.785714+08:00","text":"等一下，請部長回答一下。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-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,"text":"其他林林總總的加起來才是百萬戶，然後你們現在……所以到3萬戶，這個數字並不是空穴來風嘛！","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:16:23+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:16:31.666667+08:00","text":"因為你剛剛講是你們的草案，我要確定一下，大家全部都在聽，很多人在關心到底是13萬戶還是3萬戶？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T10:16:32+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:16:37.777778+08:00","text":"所以我才多次跟大家講，我們的目標值並沒有改變，而且它需要時間來證明。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:16:38+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:16:42.727273+08:00","text":"好，所以13萬戶是目標，但是你們目前的草案是3萬戶。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T10:16:42.727273+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T10:16:44+08:00","text":"不是，請署長說明。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:16:44+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:16:45.800000+08:00","text":"因為剛才講說草案是3萬戶啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-08-12T10:16:46+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:16:50.750000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，13萬戶是確定以後要達成的目標，但是我們現在……","quality":0.542},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:16:51+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:16:52+08:00","text":"什麼時候達成？121年。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-08-12T10:16:54.444444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:17:00.800000+08:00","text":"現在做的是……因為跟地方政府盤點完以後，用地沒有問題、可以蓋的，這個部分第一階段已經達到了。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:17:01+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:17:08.714286+08:00","text":"好，另外，我講一個很重要的，你們在講地方，對地方的補助會不會2028年就取消了？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-08-12T10:17:09+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:17:14.857143+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，不會，因為我們之前核定的一些相關社宅補助案，這個部分要分20年來補助。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:17:15.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:17:31+08:00","text":"好，現在這一次大家關心的，除了要興建的戶數大幅縮減之外，另外一個部分就是取消對地方的補助，所以你在這邊告訴我們，對地方補助興建社宅不會取消，是嗎？沒有……","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:17:31.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:17:31.666667+08:00","text":"又沒有。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-08-12T10:17:32+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:17:42.857143+08:00","text":"我們今年的統籌分配稅款有改變，之前已經確定的都不會變，後面只是必須要做一些地方配合款，財劃法修正以後……","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:17:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:17:44.600000+08:00","text":"一直都有啊、一直都有啊！","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:17:45+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:17:46.777778+08:00","text":"他們一直都有自籌款！","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-08-12T10:17:47+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:17:50.714286+08:00","text":"之前的部分，我們核定的是全額。所以……114。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:17:51+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:17:53.700000+08:00","text":"所以就是會縮水的意思。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡署長長展","start":"2026-08-12T10:17:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:17:55.857143+08:00","text":"這不是縮水，因為這個地方的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:17:56+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:17:59.800000+08:00","text":"我在這邊不耽誤其他委員，我相信很多委員都關心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:18:00+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:18:27.750000+08:00","text":"我要特別講，其實對於地方來說，你可以看到這個是你們的資料，是你們今天報告的資料，你們全部……比如在新北、臺北市跟桃園市這三個主要的地方，事實上，這三個主要的縣市政府他們興蓋的戶數其實都非常高，也就是地方很努力地也在興建社會住宅。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:18:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:18:35.714286+08:00","text":"所以我要講的是他們算是社宅的模範生，可是你們給他的補助款不應該因此縮水。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:18:36+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:19:00.666667+08:00","text":"我有計算一下，以臺北市全部興建的社宅來講，由地方興辦的是42.2%；新北市，中央加地方全部興辦，而地方興辦的比例是55.7%，超過五成是地方興辦；然後桃園市大概49.2%是地方興辦。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:19:01+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:19:29.666667+08:00","text":"所以我要講的就是，其實這幾個縣市都是興建地方社宅的模範生，我也希望在他們願意配合……即便這三個縣市基本上應該都是寸土寸金的地方，但是他們願意配合政策積極地興建，這個都是賴總統上任之後興辦的統計表，這是你們的書面報告，是不是？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:19:30+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:19:40.666667+08:00","text":"所以我希望對於有在積極興建社會住宅的地方政府，你們的補助不要縮水。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:19:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:19:57.200000+08:00","text":"不要忘記了，明年的預算是3.6兆，你現在跟外界講說社宅的興建預算要從2,046億減成820.9億，說不過去！","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:19:58+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:20:20.750000+08:00","text":"明年3兆6,000億的預算，然後你們的社宅興建要從2,046億減成820.9億，這個是大家絕對很難接受的，所以我希望內政部劉部長，請找國土署再重新檢討整個社宅興建。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:20:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:20:23.666667+08:00","text":"剛剛講說砍到3萬，太少了！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:20:24+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:20:34.750000+08:00","text":"你們現在興建已經2萬4,000戶了，如果按照現在的講法變成3萬的話，只增加了6,000戶，我告訴你，賴總統他要怎麼還再連任啊？","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T10:20:35.222222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:20:36.777778+08:00","text":"當然不是這個答案啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:20:37+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:20:37.750000+08:00","text":"對嘛，所以請你……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T10:20:38+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:20:39.818182+08:00","text":"委員，你的計算標準是有問題的。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:20:40+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:20:40.857143+08:00","text":"這個是你的數字。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T10:20:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:20:42.857143+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有、沒有，我剛剛已經提過了……","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:20:42.857143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T10:20:43.857143+08:00","text":"這是你的數字，不是我的數字啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T10:20:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:20:55.750000+08:00","text":"我們直接興建社會住宅確實是需要比較多的公務預算投入，但是未來如果有容獎或者是都更等等的話，就比較不需要由中央來支付這些……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:20:55.750000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T10:20:56.750000+08:00","text":"我希望……好，我最後一句話……","quality":0},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T10:20:56+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:21:00.700000+08:00","text":"我們也同意北北基桃中是本來社宅的熱區……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:21:01+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:21:01.750000+08:00","text":"好，我希望今天的專報……","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T10:21:02+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:21:04.857143+08:00","text":"但是財政收支劃分法也是大院通過的。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:21:05+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:21:19.750000+08:00","text":"部長，今天召委排的這個專報，其實是讓你們去澄清民團質疑的包含砍戶數、砍預算非常好的時機……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T10:21:19.750000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T10:21:20.750000+08:00","text":"是的，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:21:20+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:21:23.692308+08:00","text":"但是，這個圖已經廣傳在網路上。","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T10:21:27+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:21:29.800000+08:00","text":"這個圖並沒有把所有公文的內容顯現出來……","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:21:30+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:21:30.500000+08:00","text":"但是這個報告沒有任何釋疑！","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T10:21:31+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:21:36.833333+08:00","text":"一個公文長達兩公分那麼厚，只有一張圖表，不能掐頭掐尾來作這樣的解釋。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:21:37.111111+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:21:37.888889+08:00","text":"不是掐頭掐尾，你都沒有辦法解釋。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:21:38+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:21:40.875000+08:00","text":"給你機會、給你安排專報，你都沒有辦法解釋……","quality":1},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T10:21:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:21:42.800000+08:00","text":"我們已經講得非常清楚，必須要滾動式地調整。","quality":0.526},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:21:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:21:48.166667+08:00","text":"從這個報告裡面，我看不出任何……我看不出這個圖裡面有錯的地方！所以……","quality":0.483},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T10:21:48.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:21:50.800000+08:00","text":"我們再來跟委員報告，都沒有關係。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:21:51.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:21:54.666667+08:00","text":"不是只有跟我報告，你要跟社會報告，好不好？好。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-08-12T10:21:55.181818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:21:59.714286+08:00","text":"雖然今天都排了這個專報，但是我覺得沒有充分解釋外界的懷疑之處。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"劉部長世芳","start":"2026-08-12T10:22:00+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-12T10:22:06.875000+08:00","text":"是，我們知道外界很多不同的聲音，我們會再跟大家做一個比較簡單的釋疑，也謝謝委員的關心。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-12T10:22:07.375000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T10:22:11.375000+08:00","text":"我們待蘇巧慧委員質詢完畢休息。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-12T10:22:11.675000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-12T10:22:15.389286+08:00","text":"下一位請李柏毅召委發言質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}