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況，當然一定要列入考核。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:25:20+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:25:34.789474+08:00","text":"剛剛提到中國滲透的年齡下降以及平臺填報不實的狀況，對於大專校院赴陸交流踩到紅線，我知道教育部有扣減獎補助的辦法。","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:25:36.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:25:52.812500+08:00","text":"其實其他私立大學也有不少違規的，教育部針對這些違規的學校，譬如它已經被處罰過了，如果再犯，除了扣減獎補助之外，還有沒有其他的懲罰措施？","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T09:25:53+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:26:08.833333+08:00","text":"我相信扣減補助款現在對私立學校來講，已經是非常嚴重的處分，如果學校不改善，處分會越來越重。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:26:09.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:26:09.857143+08:00","text":"會繼續扣減？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T09:26:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:26:11.500000+08:00","text":"會很嚴重。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:26:12+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:26:28.875000+08:00","text":"而且大專校院研究所的教評委員與主席也有傳出聘請中國學校的教授擔任，教育部也說明教評會這樣的組成是有瑕疵的，你們如何避免這樣的爭議再次發生？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T09:26:29+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:26:30.800000+08:00","text":"我請司長來跟您說明。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:26:31+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:26:31.666667+08:00","text":"請司長。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"廖司長高賢","start":"2026-08-19T09:26:33+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:26:53.818182+08:00","text":"針對這個個案，我們有實地訪查整個學校的運作過程，發現他們在師資結構上面確實出現問題，所以才會延聘現在正在中國任教的一位退休教師，有關退休金方面，我們也都在做調查。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"廖司長高賢","start":"2026-08-19T09:26:54.166667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:27:02.750000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，我們已經責成學校要檢討改進，相關的情形應該是這個學期、8月1號開始就不會再出現。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"廖司長高賢","start":"2026-08-19T09:27:03.545455+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:27:09.807692+08:00","text":"誠如剛才委員所講的，我們會責成所有的學校都要遵守相關規範。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:27:10.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:27:14.800000+08:00","text":"要以這樣的案例提醒學校避免發生這樣的狀況。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:27:15.909091+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:27:30.818182+08:00","text":"除了交流，有很多的國小，甚至國中的學生去參加體育比賽，中國卻故意隱蔽我國參賽學校的校名，被質疑這是統戰交流。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:27:31.142857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:27:32.857143+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，教育部的立場是什麼？","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:27:33.307692+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:27:34.846154+08:00","text":"有什麼樣方式可以防範？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T09:27:36.555556+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:28:12.800000+08:00","text":"早期在兩岸交流方面，這部分本來是非常平常的體育交流活動，但這幾年來交流活動變質了，有所謂的融合或者統戰等目的，我們已經多次通知學校，以這種化整為零的方式過去，一旦被查獲，如果將來學校有申請相關的體育交流補助或者活動設備申請，我們也會考慮予以扣減。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:28:13.571429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:28:14.714286+08:00","text":"要提醒學校？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T09:28:15+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:28:15.833333+08:00","text":"對，會提醒學校。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:28:16+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:28:34.842105+08:00","text":"中國滲透的手段越來越多，尤其是透過教育交流的方式企圖影響我國學生，他們就是在混淆國家認同，所以我們應該要重視這個很嚴重的問題。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:28:35.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:28:41.272727+08:00","text":"其實到中國大陸交流或比賽相對其他國家的風險是很複雜且較高。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:28:42.222222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:28:55.750000+08:00","text":"當然學生、選手有機會去交流、比賽、互相切磋應該是美事，但是中國政局不穩，對安全也不注重，像食的安全、行的安全、住的安全常常都發生意外。","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:28:56+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:29:13.823529+08:00","text":"再來，現在中國對我們就是一個不對等的交流，他們很拚命的阻止他們的學生來臺灣，但是臺灣的學生會過去，我們過去交流的相關訊息，他們既不會轉發，也不會公開，等於是不對等的交流，因為訊息是不公開的。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:29:14.166667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:29:33.772727+08:00","text":"有這樣統戰的疑慮，我們去交流、比賽的校名、單位名稱被他們隱蔽了，而且他們在會議中的各種發言，可能會有兩岸融合、一家親的說法來混淆我們的孩子對國家的認同。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:29:34+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:29:38.833333+08:00","text":"我想這是一個很嚴重的問題，也希望教育部真的要有一個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T09:29:39.909091+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:29:50.833333+08:00","text":"我們現在也跟陸委會在推動各級學校辦理中國大陸識讀的課程跟活動，加強對兩岸關係以及政府兩岸政策的正確認知，避免自我矮化。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T09:29:51.206897+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:30:09.818182+08:00","text":"我們在9月跟10月份的時候也會針對大學校院督導兩岸教育交流業務主管人員及承辦人員辦理2次的研習活動，提升學校兩岸教育交流事務相關人員的專業性以及認知性跟警覺性，這部分我們會加強推動。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"陳委員秀寳","start":"2026-08-19T09:30:10.529412+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:30:15.8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