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of teams，也就是以一個協作聯隊的方式一起進行，透過不變更行政院組織法或其他的一些組織結構，我們在功能面有做了一些調整。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"林部長佳龍","start":"2026-08-19T09:56:59+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:57:25.750000+08:00","text":"再來，因為現在的外交事務跟以前又不一樣，資訊很發達，我們的國人也是會到各國旅遊，這裡面產生非常多政務跟僑務的劃分以及重疊的部分怎麼去協作，因為我跟徐委員長是很熟的朋友，所以我們兩個橫向的聯絡都已經進行得很順利，而這當然有助於下面跨部會的分工合作。","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"陳委員永康","start":"2026-08-19T09:57:26+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:57:30.500000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長跟委員長，大家共同努力，謝謝。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"徐委員長佳青","start":"2026-08-19T09:57:31+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T09:57:32.428571+08:00","text":"謝謝陳委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T09:57:32.728571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T09:57:33.728571+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T09:57:34.028571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T09:57:37.742857+08:00","text":"接下來請黃建賓委員上臺質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}