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":"我知道。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:51:38.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:51:42.592308+08:00","text":"這個戒護比是一個很大的問題……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:51:42.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:51:44.066667+08:00","text":"沒有錯、沒有錯，我的意思是……","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:51:44.233333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:51:45.733333+08:00","text":"因為現在超收，工作量增加……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:51:45.733333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T09:51:46.900000+08:00","text":"這6,900人是單就檢察機關的部分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:51:46.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:51:47.566667+08:00","text":"工時很可怕。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:51:48.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:51:55.723529+08:00","text":"如果要突破這個魔咒，監所管理員到底要多少員額，是不是可以請你給我一個評估過的數據？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:51:55.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:52:00.587500+08:00","text":"有關這部分，我們請副署長來答復一下委員的提問。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:52:01.718182+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:52:07.500000+08:00","text":"這個合理的戒護比，大概要增加多少員額，你現在初步有概念嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:52:07.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:52:09.328571+08:00","text":"平常有注意嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇副署長維闊","start":"2026-08-19T09:52:10.087500+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:52:14.566667+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們比較合理的數字應該是1比8，會比較讓同仁……","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:52:14.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:52:16.677778+08:00","text":"你的研究報告是1比6到8……對。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:52:16.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:52:18.566667+08:00","text":"你現在改成1比8。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:52:19.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:52:25.233333+08:00","text":"就是1比8，所以監獄管理員還缺多少員額，你有概念嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇副署長維闊","start":"2026-08-19T09:52:27.263636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:52:28.718182+08:00","text":"應該還要再補三千人左右，才可以因應。","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:52:28.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:52:30.650000+08:00","text":"對，沒有錯，大概三千多人。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:52:30.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:52:33.471429+08:00","text":"如果是1比6到8，大概是2,500到4,500人。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:52:34.788889+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:52:58.650000+08:00","text":"再請問次長，我之前就主張監所管理員的戒護津貼要提升，矯正署署長有來我辦公室作報告，有關監所管理員戒護津貼的提升，他說預計7月底，其實是上個月就要送到法務部，可是我兩天前有請教矯正署，他說上禮拜法務部有提供修改意見，正在依修改意見研擬中。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:52:59.042857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:53:00.614286+08:00","text":"請問法務部，你們有什麼意見呢？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:53:01.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:53:01.700000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，沒有錯。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:53:02.344444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:53:13.354545+08:00","text":"這已報到行政院，因為有一些要補充的資料，行政院請本部及所屬的矯正署來做補充，所以本部人事處及矯正署正在密切就相關資料做一些磋商……","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:53:13.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:53:14.900000+08:00","text":"是補充、禁止還是不准？","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:53:16.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:53:17.809091+08:00","text":"沒有禁止，只是有些資料要補充而已。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:53:18.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:53:21.733333+08:00","text":"我們人事處及矯正署已經在做密切的溝通……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:53:21.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:53:29.685714+08:00","text":"我全力支持監所管理員要提高戒護津貼，我目前是有你們最完整的資料。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:53:29.685714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T09:53:30.685714+08:00","text":"針對這部分，本部也是贊成的。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:53:30.076471+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:53:32.547059+08:00","text":"請問法務部，預計什麼時候送到人總？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:53:32.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:53:33.700000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:53:33.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:53:34.733333+08:00","text":"給我個時間吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:53:34.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:53:42.809091+08:00","text":"沒問題，現在是8月，就我所知，他們在昨天還是前天都還有就文字的部分在分類……","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:53:43.053846+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:53:4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"2026-08-19T09:55:26.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:55:27.525000+08:00","text":"我要了解一下足不足夠？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"蘇副署長維闊","start":"2026-08-19T09:55:27.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:55:30.300000+08:00","text":"讓同仁去採購透氣排汗的衣服。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:55:30.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:55:32.650000+08:00","text":"你初步有這些做法？對。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:55:34.122222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:56:08.566667+08:00","text":"次長，請看這份報告，這是矯正署113年做的矯正人員職業傷病預防研究，其中有一個很重要的建議就是，裝備採購應該要更懂得或是更重視第一線執勤人員的需求，尤其臺灣夏季高溫屢創新高，許多舊的監獄悶熱難耐，不但受刑人忍受不了易生衝突，戒護人員穿著不透氣的衣服及長褲執勤，也不比受刑人輕鬆，其實是更辛苦。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:56:08.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:56:25.614286+08:00","text":"這還是113年的報告，現在是115年，夏天更長、更熱了，許多管理員甚至很卑微地問我能不能讓他們自費穿冷背心或是風扇背心，他們原本都已經不奢望矯正署了，我聽了非常難過。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:56:25.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:56:38.669231+08:00","text":"我非常非常地重視這件事，希望次長能夠把基層的心聲聽進去，剛剛是說開始要處理，但是動作也要快，他們每天都在面對這樣的情況。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:56:38.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:56:45.700000+08:00","text":"次長，請你看一下這張圖，你知道我為什麼放一瓶綠油精在這個投影片嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:56:45.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:57:00.566667+08:00","text":"因為有郵政員工向我陳情，他們每天在大太陽底下送信快熱爆了，結果郵政公司給他們超級少的涼水費，甚至防熱設備竟然發給他們綠油精，這個你可以接受嗎？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:57:00.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:57:03.600000+08:00","text":"以前還發過薄荷棒！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:57:03.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:57:05.700000+08:00","text":"我聽了真的是難以置信。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:57:05.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:57:17.566667+08:00","text":"大家來報考公務員國家考試、國營事業，是因為相信國家、相信制度，不然就不會來報考，結果我們國家竟然給員工綠油精來防熱！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:57:19.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:57:27.718182+08:00","text":"放綠油精圖片就是要提醒次長不要像中華郵政那麼淒慘，次長，你有聽懂我的意思嗎？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:57:27.718182+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T09:57:28.718182+08:00","text":"完全理解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:57:28.185714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:57:45.650000+08:00","text":"我要告訴次長，現在連我認為很糟糕的發綠油精的中華郵政，他們面對員工提案要買風扇背心，雖然現在採購還沒有完成，可是他們已經開始討論員工的提案了。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:57:45.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:57:57.600000+08:00","text":"次長，我希望你們要善待基層，不要比爛，我覺得很爛的中華郵政都已經開始動了，你是否能夠研議具體有效的防熱措施跟設備呢？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:57:57.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:57:59.809091+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，剛剛副署長也跟委員報告……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:57:59.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:58:00.775000+08:00","text":"剛剛有提到了一點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:58:00.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:58:06.788889+08:00","text":"甚至我們就服裝部分的預算已經編列每人2,000塊，讓他們的服裝做一些改善，這部分絕對沒有問題。","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:58:06.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:58:14.788889+08:00","text":"次長，連我一向詬病的勞動部，現在都鼓勵企業要買熱防護具，有給補助，那矯正署做了什麼呢？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:58:14.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:58:38.700000+08:00","text":"因為法警已經開放，據我了解，他可以依據個人的需求穿搭長短袖，在炎熱天氣下，同仁們想要自費購買外界盛行的空冷服、水冷服上班，讓自己上班舒服一點，但是過去卻被坐在辦公室吹冷氣的長官一句話說不符合規定就否決了，所以你現在開始要正視這個問題了嗎？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:58:39.445455+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:58:45.757143+08:00","text":"你現在研擬的方向除了補助2,000元，讓他們能夠自己選擇嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:58:45.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:58:46.757143+08:00","text":"還有什麼規範？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:58:46.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:58:51.600000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，選擇的部分，法務部所屬機關，甚至像檢察機關的法警，可以讓同仁……","quality":0.594},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:58:51.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:58:52.700000+08:00","text":"可行的部分？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:58:52.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:59:01.788889+08:00","text":"他們可以在經費範圍內決定怎樣材質的服裝是他們可以接受的，我們甚至在檢察機關的法警可以做到這種程度。","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:59:01.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:59:02.775000+08:00","text":"所以你可以想像嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:59:02.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:59:09.788889+08:00","text":"他們基層也賺不了多少錢，他們竟然不奢望矯正署，說可以讓他們自費購買，連這種心聲都出來了。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:59:09.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:59:24.627273+08:00","text":"次長，我想請法務部具體回復幾件事情，第一個，剛剛你也同意，是不是在一週內發函通知全臺各監所不得用考績強迫同仁加班？","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:59:24.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:59:33.100000+08:00","text":"還堂而皇之做了，一紙叫他簽名，那他簽了，不算數吧，那個要作廢吧，誰敢不簽呢？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:59:33.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:59:34.757143+08:00","text":"簽了的話，現在怎麼辦？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:59:34.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:59:41.700000+08:00","text":"我剛剛跟委員報告，考績不是從當下簽不簽來做評斷，而是整年度的績效表現。","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:59:41.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:59:43.733333+08:00","text":"你可以在一週內，這個很簡單嘛，觀念上就是這樣。","quality":0.55},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T09:59:43.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:59:47.650000+08:00","text":"可以，這沒問題，我們可以要求所屬的矯正機關首長不可以做這件事。","quality":0.607},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:59:48.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:59:49.733333+08:00","text":"你就發函通知，我要一份副本。好。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:59:49.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T09:59:57.733333+08:00","text":"這個做得到嘛，隨時可以，你回去就可以開始發函了，不得用考績強迫同仁加班，已經簽了也不作數。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T09:59:57.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:00:03.233333+08:00","text":"第二個，你兩週內是不是可以送出危險津貼提升的提案給人總？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T10:00:03.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:00:04.788889+08:00","text":"你剛剛跟我說到9月底。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T10:00:04.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:00:08.718182+08:00","text":"委員，現在已經8月中下旬，兩個禮拜後就是下個月了。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T10:00:10.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:00:12.400000+08:00","text":"好，兩個禮拜，你不要再拖了。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T10:00:13.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:00:15.566667+08:00","text":"報告委員，不是拖，那是涉及到我們這次訂……","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T10:00:16.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:00:18.700000+08:00","text":"可是之前你們本來是承諾7月底要交出去。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T10:00:18.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:00:24.361538+08:00","text":"對，但有一些意見要交換，不是不送，是要補資料，下個月我把它送出。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T10:00:24.515385+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:00:27.650000+08:00","text":"另外，我要請法務部再正式評估合理的戒護人力比。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T10:00:27.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:00:38.614286+08:00","text":"你剛剛提到1比8，但是你要有一些基礎，你去看看其他國家，像韓國可能1比2到3，美國是1比4到5，日本也是1比3左右。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T10:00:38.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:00:48.566667+08:00","text":"然後你知道晚上的時候，因為你又超收，現在最重要的是超收，他們加時加晚上可能就1比1,000！","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T10:00:48.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:00:57.900000+08:00","text":"這個人力比就跑出來，這都是你可以看到的數字，我都看到了，你更可以看到這個數字，你要加快，好嗎？好。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T10:00:58.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:01:01.650000+08:00","text":"你說9月底之前，你可以快一點。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T10:01:01.650000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:01:02.650000+08:00","text":"我們儘快，原則上9月之前。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T10:01:01.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:01:05.100000+08:00","text":"因為你之前承諾7月底要提出來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T10:01:05.100000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:01:06.100000+08:00","text":"我了解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T10:01:05.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:01:16.746154+08:00","text":"然後請具體研擬監所防熱措施跟增設設備，這一項非常非常重要，這個是人道的問題，請次長一定要做這部分，好嗎？好。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T10:01:17.081818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:01:22.733333+08:00","text":"具體地來研議這部分，我看時間來追蹤進度，可以嗎？次長。可以。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T10:01:22.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:01:29.650000+08:00","text":"我今天提的四項建議案，也請你按照我期待的時程給我資料。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T10:01:29.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:01:32.700000+08:00","text":"好，除了第二件之外，是不是下個月評估書送到行政院，其他的……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T10:01:33.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:01:35.650000+08:00","text":"最慢啦，那是最慢下個月。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長謀信","start":"2026-08-19T10:01:35.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:01:35.900000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-08-19T10:01:36.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:01:37.775000+08:00","text":"謝謝次長，謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:01:38.275000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:01:39.703571+08:00","text":"謝謝陳委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:01:40.003571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:01:44.003571+08:00","text":"接下來有請林倩綺委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}