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dome這個模式來看。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-08-19T10:07:37.769231+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:07:53.700000+08:00","text":"為了不要造成資源重複浪費，所以你應該從國家的角度做整體未來大型室內展覽場館、比賽場館的規劃，給各縣市一個參考的依據。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-08-19T10:07:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:08:14.727273+08:00","text":"如果中央政府沒有介入相關評估，地方政府很盲目、沒有太多的客觀資源，為了要有蛋而有蛋，為生蛋而生蛋，這個會造成國家資源的浪費，是不是可以請國發會規劃？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-08-19T10:08:15+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:08:18+08:00","text":"因為未來你們也要挹注資金，對不對？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-08-19T10:08:18.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:09:03.625000+08:00","text":"比方有BOT，你們也可以投入，民間的資金跟政府的資金一起來投入，結合經濟部，因為經濟部跟運動產業有相關，所以經濟部也不能迴避，運動部當然是主政，相關的一些資料……黃次長，職棒變成慢慢變成臺灣生活的一部分，你看韓國，基本上，他們的觀眾是不分年齡層、不分性別，年輕人特別多，每一場都滿，滿不是一萬，也不是一萬五，滿都是三萬，而且都室外場所。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-08-19T10:09:05.428571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:09:15.666667+08:00","text":"你看看十座職棒球場，我大概去了七座，這七座帶動周邊的經濟效益。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-08-19T10:09:16+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:09:29.846154+08:00","text":"年輕人有時候因為升學、就業有一些苦悶，可以在那邊得到一些慰藉，所以職棒產業在臺灣，跟韓國、日本很類似。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-08-19T10:09:30+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:09:59.818182+08:00","text":"日本也是如此，日本幾乎每一場比賽都是滿座，滿座是四萬人，臺灣從過去平均一場六千多，到去年大概一萬出頭，今年可能好一點，大概一萬二、一萬三，一萬二、一萬三大概只是球場的一半而已，甚至是三分之一，所以未來我們有很大成長空間，因此要從供給帶動需求，有好的供給，人家就會有需求，而不是看需求來供給。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-08-19T10:10:00.833333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:10:26.625000+08:00","text":"我特別跟副主委還有兩位次長誠懇呼籲，用國家的角度結合各部會的專業跟資源去盤點全國有哪些縣市適合蓋結合三個功能，包括大型職棒比賽、演唱會及大型會展，另外還有防災功能。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-08-19T10:10:27.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:10:41.705882+08:00","text":"如果一些災難出現的時候，它可以變成一個暫時的收容場所，所以也要把防災功能列入其中。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-08-19T10:10:42.470588+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:10:53.636364+08:00","text":"這個部分是不是可以請國發會來主責，有一個詳細的評估方案，結合各部會來做一個……","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"彭副主任委員立沛","start":"2026-08-19T10:10:57+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:11:09.833333+08:00","text":"因為運動產業發展條例是運動部主責，當然我們會跟運動部一起就區域發展還有國家發展的角度來看看，供需之間在哪一個地方需要蓋這些巨蛋。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-08-19T10:11:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:11:14.812500+08:00","text":"雖然是運動部主責，但是國發會負責政策協調。","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"彭副主任委員立沛","start":"2026-08-19T10:11:14.812500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:11:15.812500+08:00","text":"好，沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員志偉","start":"2026-08-19T10:11:15+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:11:18.333333+08:00","text":"我還是覺得由國發會來。好。謝謝。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:11:19.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:11:20+08:00","text":"謝謝邱召委。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:11:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:11:22.500000+08:00","text":"謝謝各位次長及副主委。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:11:23+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:11:26.428571+08:00","text":"接下來有請楊瓊瓔委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}