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-08-19T10:15:14.910000+08:00","text":"我非常同意委員的看法，其實科技可以來協助我們，比方有很多穿戴式裝置，它也可以讓我們許多各種年齡層的朋友們可以自主做運動管理。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:15:15.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:02.411111+08:00","text":"所以降低運動門檻的設備、智慧感應，以及AI運動管理的這些產品，我個人認為這是一個市場所趨，應該由政府來鼓勵業者怎麼樣去開發，而且不只在身障朋友的運動，包括長者的生活健康活化這一塊也是很好的一個市場方向，政府應該擔擔任領頭羊，我是不是具體建議將身心障礙朋友以及長者的這一塊，請你們列為你的專案來鼓勵、來研議、來倡議？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:02.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:13.255556+08:00","text":"是，我們可以請業者這邊來開發一些身障朋友或是一些銀髮族來使用這些運動科技的遊戲。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:13.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:26.722222+08:00","text":"謝謝你願意做專案來鼓勵，成效要告訴本席，因為投資的錢都是人民的納稅錢，我們希望它應該是全民的利益、大家共享，應該是如此。是。","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:27.238462+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:33.950000+08:00","text":"你針對於身心障礙跟長者的部分，你大概多久時間可以給我一個方向？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:34.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:35.450000+08:00","text":"我們是不是可以一個月……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:36.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:38.475000+08:00","text":"一個月時間給本席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:38.936364+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:41.811111+08:00","text":"接下來我要跟你討論兒童玩具這個部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:42+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:17:06.533333+08:00","text":"你們在12號的時候表示，除了目前31項玩具實施強制檢驗外，你們要透過市場檢查及樣態的檢測，尤其在新興玩具這個部分列為重點查驗的對象，所以這31項你列為特定的，這已經多久了？","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:17:06.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:17:10.016667+08:00","text":"部長，你們列為這樣多久了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:17:10.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:17:15.455556+08:00","text":"已經那麼久，你有沒有隨著時代變遷？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:17:16.166667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:17:26.711111+08:00","text":"除了來源，現在網路平臺的速度非常快，一夕間爆紅，全部直接進入到兒童玩具的市場。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:17:27+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:17:46.483333+08:00","text":"如果你只有依照以往的31項來檢驗，你根本沒有符合目前社會的市場取向，以及顧及家長的放心、孩子的安全，這是我們政府的責任，每一個孩子都是我們的寶貝。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:17:46.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:04.485714+08:00","text":"以前塑化劑、甲醯胺這一些化學物以及小物件，比如磁鐵、扣件、電池這一些都是跟孩子的玩具息息相關，那你現在怎麼辦呢？","quality":0.72},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:04.908333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:13.266667+08:00","text":"現在在網際網路平臺，大家買玩具很方便，甚至不用到實體店面去買，政府怎麼稽查？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:13.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:18.488889+08:00","text":"政府不要等到出了事才來查，這是我不願意看到的。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:18.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:20.100000+08:00","text":"你有什麼方法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:20.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:22.010000+08:00","text":"你的SOP流程的檢驗？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:22.010000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:23.010000+08:00","text":"請說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:22.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:40.391667+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實對嬰幼兒用品還有兒童玩具的部分，我們都是列為重點檢驗的項目，就如同剛剛委員講到的，這些保護嬰幼兒還有兒童安全，包括他可能接觸到的一些……","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:40.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:41.628571+08:00","text":"這個大家都知道……","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:41.628571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:42.628571+08:00","text":"其實我們都很重視。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:42.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:45.880000+08:00","text":"都是我們的寶貝，我們怎麼樣保護他的安全，讓家長安心？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:46.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:47.183333+08:00","text":"你的市場趨勢、你的檢驗怎麼做？","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:47.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:49.727273+08:00","text":"所以我們有一些是列為強制檢驗的項目……","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:49.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:50.425000+08:00","text":"強制檢驗？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:50.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:52.528571+08:00","text":"你目前還是維持原來的31啊！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:53.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:56.957143+08:00","text":"沒有，我們這個是滾動式檢討的，我們現在是針對……","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:57.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:58.540000+08:00","text":"你多久一次滾動式檢討，告訴我？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:58.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:19:02.400000+08:00","text":"我們是隨時在做滾動式檢討，因為有一些……隨時？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:19:03.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:19:06.030769+08:00","text":"那你應該要公布，你怎麼常常都是只有31項呢？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:19:07.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:19:09.200000+08:00","text":"你講的跟做的要一樣啊！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-08-19T10:19:09.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:19:19.945455+08:00","text":"是，所以有一些用品突然在市場上爆紅，可能會有安全疑慮的部分，我們標準檢驗局都會列為查核的項目。","quality":0.698},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:19:20.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:19:51.080000+08:00","text":"好，所以本席希望你要建立更前端、更即時的風險辨識跟預警機制，誠如國際的部分有召回警示，過去它違規的紀錄，它的商品材質跟功能，市場的銷售熱度，一夕間爆紅的這些資訊，你必須要去整合來作為風險排序的預警機制，你應該要有這個平臺，要不要去建立這樣一個預警機制？","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:19:51.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:19:52.266667+08:00","text":"要不要？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-08-19T10:19:52.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:19:54.912500+08:00","text":"是，我們可以朝這個方向來研議。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:19:55.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:19:56.675000+08:00","text":"多久可以研議出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-08-19T10:19:56.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:19:58.733333+08:00","text":"是不是可以給我們兩個月的時間？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:19:58.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:20:02.320000+08:00","text":"好，這個非常重要，因為要讓兒童安心，讓家長放心。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:20:02.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:20:48.833333+08:00","text":"最後一個議題，謝謝召委，國發會也請一起上來，有關兆基屋管的投資案，現在前董事長涉嫌侵占投資款，他以往作為招募，也就是政府作為他的信任基礎，所以我們國發會也跟能率亞洲資本公司以一比一的比例投資5,600萬，換句話說，國發會也投資了2,800萬，但目前發生了事情，請教我們國發會的作為、經濟部的作為呢？","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:20:49.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:20:52.687500+08:00","text":"已經是一個社會事件了，我們政府怎麼作為？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:20:52.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:20:53.966667+08:00","text":"請說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭副主任委員立沛","start":"2026-08-19T10:20:54.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:21:27.200000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員的垂詢，因為這個是大股東的行為，我們已經知道經濟部產發署在投後管理上面會再持續加強，但國發基金其實對這個案情已經有一些掌握，後續會密切來看它的發展，目前這個公司在8月21號會召開臨時股東會議的改選，所以基本上我們定調就是大股東的個人行為，但是……","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:21:27.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:21:30.285714+08:00","text":"大股東的個人行為，可是是全民的錢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭副主任委員立沛","start":"2026-08-19T10:21:30.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:21:30.500000+08:00","text":"是、是、是……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:21:31+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:21:32.285714+08:00","text":"我們怎麼拿回來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭副主任委員立沛","start":"2026-08-19T10:21:32.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:21:34.681818+08:00","text":"所以我們會加強投後管理，並會同經濟部這邊……","quality":0.632},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:21:34.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:21:46.225000+08:00","text":"加強投後管理，產發署是執行機關單位，有關經濟部跟國發會，到底產發署當時針對財務的審理是怎麼審理？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:21:46.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:21:52.816667+08:00","text":"包括公司治理，當發生事情的時候，你們先前如何預警？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:21:53.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:21:56+08:00","text":"事情發生後，你們有什麼作為？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:21:56.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:22:07.609091+08:00","text":"這個也是全民都在看，都是人民的納稅錢，現在國發會很誠意地說你們往後會審慎，你的審慎機制到底是什麼？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:22:07.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:22:13.042857+08:00","text":"人民的納稅錢不能打水漂，掉了就不見了。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"主席（邱委員志偉）","start":"2026-08-19T10:22:13.042857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:22:14.042857+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，楊委員時間到。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:22:13.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:22:20.945455+08:00","text":"所以我具體要求你們在投資的時候，有了這樣的事件發生，你們預計要怎麼樣去追蹤？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:22:21.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:22:22.400000+08:00","text":"要怎麼樣有所作為？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:22:22.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:22:24.288889+08:00","text":"請你書面資料給本席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:22:24.288889+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:22:25.288889+08:00","text":"請書面資料給楊委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:22:24.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:22:41.100000+08:00","text":"你們未來在投資的時候要怎麼樣謹慎，也將你們的方案給本席，因為我們要保障全民的納稅錢，不能讓非法的人拿政府作為他的信用看板，對不對？好。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-08-19T10:22:41.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:22:46.100000+08:00","text":"是，跟委員報告，我們也會追究，到時候我們了解之後，我們也會追究當初是不是有隱匿……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:22:46.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:22:50.080000+08:00","text":"新聞鬧這麼大，你才要了解，你也拜託一下。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:22:50.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:22:51.920000+08:00","text":"請你把書面資料給楊委員，寫仔細一點。","quality":0.562},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-08-19T10:22:52.585714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:22:54.550000+08:00","text":"當初在資訊提供上有沒有隱匿的行為。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-19T10:22:55.050000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:22:56.050000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"何次長晉滄","start":"2026-08-19T10:22:56.350000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:22:58.635714+08:00","text":"我們再提供給委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:22:58.935714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:23:02.078571+08:00","text":"好，謝謝楊瓊瓔委員，請回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:23:02.378571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:23:05.521429+08:00","text":"下一位質詢請謝衣鳯委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}