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Tahovecahe委員）","start":"2026-08-19T10:17:02+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:17:03.666667+08:00","text":"有請張廖次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T10:17:04+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:17:05.333333+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:17:06+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:17:07.777778+08:00","text":"次長早安，大家辛苦了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:17:08.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:17:21.800000+08:00","text":"今天我會聚焦在臺北市的教育現場一連串出大包的狀況，以及教育部作為督導的機關，怎麼樣協助或是如何提出必要的責任處置。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:17:24+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:17:49.750000+08:00","text":"第一個當然是營養午餐，營養午餐免費下學期才要上路，但是我們看到縣市首長、尤其蔣萬安市長一再地吹噓營養午餐免費、免費、免費，事實證明免費不是唯一的王道，甚至會因為過度地吹捧免費，而造成了其他的骨牌效應，現在就一一發生了。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:17:50+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:17:53.833333+08:00","text":"臺北市的營養午餐出了大包，有好幾件事我認為都環環相扣。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:17:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:19.750000+08:00","text":"第一個，蔣萬安市長一再吹捧生生喝鮮奶、週週喝鮮奶，但現在天天的營養午餐卻要斷炊了，11萬5,000名臺北市的學生們有可能因為營養午餐流標而吃不到營養午餐。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:20+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:18:47.714286+08:00","text":"第二個，甚至又爆出蔣萬安市長不斷要求教育局趕快克服，把流標的問題解決，聽說想方設法之下，已經從流標六成，現在可以補到九成，大概一成的學校還沒有處理完畢。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:18:48+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:19:05.714286+08:00","text":"他下的時間點、期限是8月21日，當然要快，因為新學期就要開始了，最後才急就章地想要擦屁股，我認為對於臺北市營養午餐的品質恐怕會產生很大的疑慮。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:19:06+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:19:11.600000+08:00","text":"第三個，又發生了要求廠商先墊款的情事。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:19:14+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:19:29.750000+08:00","text":"廠商已經都沒有意願來招標了，又要求標到的廠商先墊款，這恐怕就是一個惡性循環；當然，還發生了教育局局長說營養午餐的剩食、廚餘可以給弱勢吃。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:19:30+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:20:09.600000+08:00","text":"我認為這就是急切地把對於營養午餐的關切……應當關切在食材是不是落實到中央要求的100%MIT，是不是吃得健康、吃得安全、吃得營養、甚至吃得有文化，並結合我們的食農教育、在地的文化，這才是營養午餐藉由飲食來達到教育的功能，這才是營養午餐該關切的面向，但是像蔣萬安在內的地方首長們一再地操作免費、免費、免費，出了這麼多問題，教育部有沒有掌握、有沒有協助？","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T10:20:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:20:21.333333+08:00","text":"我們目前也在注意這件事情，因為在財劃法修正之後，我們過去是透過很多專案來協助地方辦理營養午餐……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:20:21.333333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:20:22.600000+08:00","text":"對，餐食補助。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T10:20:22.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:20:27.857143+08:00","text":"對，我們過去是透過一般性補助款，現在財劃法修正後，其實地方有錢……","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:20:27.857143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:20:28.857143+08:00","text":"回歸地方。","quality":0},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T10:20:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:20:29.857143+08:00","text":"都自己宣布要辦營養午餐。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T10:20:30.181818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:20:37.777778+08:00","text":"當然，關於委員剛才所提到的這些，我們也都在報章媒體以及地方管道……我也接到……","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:20:38.545455+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:20:41.333333+08:00","text":"北市有沒有來求助、有沒有來反映？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:20:42+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:20:43.833333+08:00","text":"還是蔣萬安認為他可以搞定？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T10:20:44+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:20:51+08:00","text":"我們有調查各縣市的狀況，就是委員關心的他們的招標狀況，還有……","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:20:52.222222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:20:55.714286+08:00","text":"臺北市之前發生六成標不出去……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T10:20:56+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:20:57.142857+08:00","text":"他們是希望……我們現在跟他聯繫……","quality":0.385},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:20:58.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:21:01.750000+08:00","text":"21號完成我知道，但目前還沒有完成。27號。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:21:02+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:21:07.750000+08:00","text":"蔣萬安說的是8月21號，但目前還沒有招標完成，還是有一成左右未完成。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T10:21:08+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:21:09.285714+08:00","text":"我請副署長跟您說明。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"許副署長麗娟","start":"2026-08-19T10:21:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:21:23.875000+08:00","text":"我們有調查22縣市整體標案的進行，學生的營養午餐非常重要，以臺北市來看，他們還有局部沒有完成，但是他們應該會在27號以前完成。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:21:24+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:21:27.500000+08:00","text":"那其他縣市有沒有流標的狀況？","quality":0.923},{"spea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essed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:25:09.714286+08:00","text":"畢竟是全國性的，我希望中央能做的就努力來做，但是我也知道，你們在所謂的公立學校教師獎金發給辦法修正案當中的規定是「不低於」，也就是說，授予地方政府依財政狀況可以給予不低於你們訂的這個倍數的獎金。","quality":0.798},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:25:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:25:20+08:00","text":"對於地方政府，基本上中央政府教育部是鼓勵、鼓勵、鼓勵他們可以給得更多來留下老師，是不是這樣？是。好。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:25:20.571429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:25:44.222222+08:00","text":"我期待你們把這樣的子法修訂加速完備、加速完成、明年上路，而且具體督導，這是我們的用心良苦，就是不低於這個獎金，地方政府自己可以加碼，我想強化跟地方政府的溝通，給予他們這樣子的鼓勵，好嗎？可以。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:25:45.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:25:47.818182+08:00","text":"回到最前面的營養午餐，就要開學了……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T10:25:48+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:25:49.200000+08:00","text":"我們繼續……","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:25:49.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:25:56.444444+08:00","text":"我是很擔心，我手上沒有你們最新的資料，我服務臺北，我講比較多臺北的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T10:25:56.444444+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:25:57.444444+08:00","text":"我們會後給委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:25:56.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:26:05.333333+08:00","text":"我真的要提醒，你們看到的資訊可能是部分學校沒有完成，但是1所也不行！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:26:06+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:26:13.500000+08:00","text":"就算是1個學生、2個學生、10個學生，像臺北市可能是11萬的學生受到影響，1個都不能發生。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:26:15.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:26:31.142857+08:00","text":"數字冷冰冰，你們的彙整也許會有gap、會有資訊落差，全力去第一線清楚掌握狀況，我們不能夠讓任何一個孩子受到吃不到營養午餐的嚴重後果。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T10:26:32+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:26:42+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的關心，我們開學前會每天都保持聯繫、了解狀況，委員需要資料我們馬上回報。好。","quality":0.73},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:26:42.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:26:43.900000+08:00","text":"剛剛您手上的資料是不是會後就可以先提供？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:26:44+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:26:46+08:00","text":"等一下就先一份給我，好嗎？好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-08-19T10:26:46.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:26:47.714286+08:00","text":"謝謝，謝謝次長。謝謝。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:26:48.214286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:26:52.500000+08:00","text":"謝謝吳思瑤委員的質詢，請次長回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:26:52.800000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:26:59.085714+08:00","text":"接下來有請鄭正鈐委員、鄭正鈐委員，鄭正鈐委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:26:59.385714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:27:09.100000+08:00","text":"接下來有請鍾佳濱委員進行詢答，稍後在蔡春綢委員詢答完畢之後，我們休息5分鐘。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}