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eaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-08-19T10:30:06.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:30:13.800000+08:00","text":"或者是沒有其他相應的，變成一個乏人問津的場館。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-08-19T10:30:14.272727+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:30:22.727273+08:00","text":"當然我們希望國發會要肩負促參，你要找……財政部今天有來嗎？","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-08-19T10:30:23+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:30:42.666667+08:00","text":"財政部我看到司長來，這整個就是財政部你怎麼樣的……這個促參條例是這一屆你們很重要的核心，怎麼樣引導保險業的相關資金投資臺灣，是不是？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"彭副主任委員立沛","start":"2026-08-19T10:30:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:30:47+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，促參其實就會審它的經濟效益或是相關配套。對。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-08-19T10:30:49+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:31:00.461538+08:00","text":"我是說這當然……我不知道是不是因為你的業務只負責促參，但是民眾對於國發會的期待是整體北中南……","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"彭副主任委員立沛","start":"2026-08-19T10:31:00.769231+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:31:02+08:00","text":"區域發展。對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-08-19T10:31:03.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:31:20.666667+08:00","text":"然後運動發展是怎麼樣均衡，以及各個場館之間是不是能夠具備不同的特色、能夠深具展館又能夠不影響其他居民的生活，這是我們期待的，是不是？是。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"彭副主任委員立沛","start":"2026-08-19T10:31:21.312500+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:31:25.687500+08:00","text":"這個部分我們跟運動部再做一些整合。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-08-19T10:31:26+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:32:09.666667+08:00","text":"所以我跟主席一樣，就是有一點失望，今天我們期待可以看到各部會之間對於運動還有藝文展館，有一個非常具體及明確的目標，但是現在我看，目前應該是以國發會還有跨部會的整合，的確沒有辦法帶動相關的……我們今天希望能夠得到的結論，我覺得行政院回去應該要再繼續加油，謝謝。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:32:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:32:10.666667+08:00","text":"謝謝謝衣鳯委員。","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:32:11.166667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:32:19.738095+08:00","text":"謝委員，我沒有失望，我是有一點失望而已，但是我沒有氣餒，我們繼續努力。","quality":0.033},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:32:20.038095+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:32:23.180952+08:00","text":"下一位質詢請鄭天財委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}