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的答案。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-08-19T10:30:49+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:30:56.800000+08:00","text":"那你們會不會像我們的選罷法或增修條文說每一族都要設立一所原住民族學校？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"郭副院長工賓","start":"2026-08-19T10:30:58+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:31:02.888889+08:00","text":"目前國教院的研究還沒有這樣的顯示，要看一下政策……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-08-19T10:31:02.888889+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:31:03.888889+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":0},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-08-19T10:31:03+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:31:05.850000+08:00","text":"為什麼政治上，我們的選區一定要分得那麼清楚？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-08-19T10:31:06.857143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:31:14.846154+08:00","text":"我請教一下法制處，請問目前我們原住民族有幾族？17。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-08-19T10:31:17+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:31:19.666667+08:00","text":"很好，剛剛有人說16？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-08-19T10:31:20.166667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:31:21.500000+08:00","text":"次長說16？16加1。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-08-19T10:31:22+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:31:26.833333+08:00","text":"對，16加1，很好，未來是不是要設17或16加1所學校？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-08-19T10:31:27.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:31:29.800000+08:00","text":"副主委，你認為有沒有必要？","quality":1},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-08-19T10:31:30+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:31:36.714286+08:00","text":"我們是希望未來各個民族都有自己的民族學校，是朝這個方向。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-08-19T10:31:37.166667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:31:47.750000+08:00","text":"是的，你會不會認為在文化之外，我們在政治上的安排、參政權的安排也要依照這樣，讓每一個族都有其相對應的代表，你會不會主張這個？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-08-19T10:31:48+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:31:49.750000+08:00","text":"這個我還沒有想過。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-08-19T10:31:50+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:31:50.833333+08:00","text":"還沒仔細想過？對。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-08-19T10:31:51+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:32:29+08:00","text":"好，我今天在這裡藉用這個機會，本席2016年在教文會提倡了原住民族教育法，在2020年之後，繼伍麗華委員之後，我們提倡了原住民族學校法，但是我們現在遇到的臺灣政治環境，我們看到最口口聲聲說要去倡議、保障原住民族文化的這些在野黨委員，他們卻忽略了憲法增修條文第四條的最高位階，原住民的整體的文化跟語言要予以保障，次長同不同意這必然要透過原住民族學校法來加以保障跟發揚？是。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-08-19T10:32:30.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:32:39.800000+08:00","text":"你也不認為在這個過程當中，要錯誤的沿用過去國民黨威權統治時期，將原住民族群區分成山原跟平原的方式來分別設定？","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T10:32:40+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:32:41.818182+08:00","text":"對，的確是應該以族群為主。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-08-19T10:32:42+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:32:51.400000+08:00","text":"好，所以你會支持我們國教院跟原民會，未來盡可能讓每一個原住民的族群都擁有自己的原住民族學校，是不是？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T10:32:52+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:32:53.857143+08:00","text":"政策方向如果是這樣，我們是配合。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鍾委員佳濱","start":"2026-08-19T10:32:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:32:58.333333+08:00","text":"好，謝謝次長、副主委、院長、處長。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:32:58.555556+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:33:01.727273+08:00","text":"謝謝鍾佳濱委員的質詢，請官員們回座。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:33:02.227273+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:33:05.941558+08:00","text":"接下來請蔡春綢委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}