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這個地方嗎？","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-08-19T10:51:58.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:52:14.150000+08:00","text":"目前我的理解是還沒有直接的去針對特定的議題做討論，我們多數是從促參的角度來協助他們，因為以我的理解，現在臺中是要用促參的方式來受理，所以會有外界的業者進來投資……","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-08-19T10:52:15.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:52:17+08:00","text":"臺中市這個計畫已經啟動了嘛？對。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-08-19T10:52:17.728571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:52:23.155556+08:00","text":"所以如果我們現在講我們要把運動博物館，甚至運動部放進去……太慢。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-08-19T10:52:23.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:52:33.633333+08:00","text":"可能不一定跟那個設計結合……但是新北跟桃園目前還是在可行規劃階段，我們是不是有跟新北、桃園做溝通？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-08-19T10:52:33.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:52:34.250000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我了解目前還沒。","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-08-19T10:52:34.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:52:52.246154+08:00","text":"對，本席意思是搭順風車跟合作的概念，因為看起來這兩個縣市現在有館場的規劃、有計畫，不管未來要用編列預算或是促參的方式，至少在這個階段上面，運動部就可以來跟他們合作嘛！","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-08-19T10:52:52.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:52:54.360000+08:00","text":"是的，應該是這樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-08-19T10:52:54.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:53:09.225000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，目前為止，我的理解是還沒有直接針對這個案子做討論，不過，我們可以主動去跟新北市政府聯繫，來了解一下他們規劃的進度，也可以把我們的想法跟他們做一些溝通。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-08-19T10:53:09.553846+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:53:15+08:00","text":"對，次長，本席從三個月前、半年前就已經提出來，每一次都跟我講會聯繫！","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-08-19T10:53:16.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:53:20.975000+08:00","text":"其實我覺得這個東西就是不分黨派，中央地方共同努力，但是……","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-08-19T10:53:21.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:53:22.057143+08:00","text":"我們不會分黨派處理。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-08-19T10:53:22.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:53:25.800000+08:00","text":"當然，就是因為這樣，所以說本席才會問什麼時候要聯絡？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-08-19T10:53:28.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:53:30.054545+08:00","text":"容許我再花點時間，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-08-19T10:53:30.381818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:53:42.200000+08:00","text":"我拜託我們同事即刻跟新北市政府聯絡，看看有沒有辦法先跟他們做一個初步的聯繫，做出一個工作的時程表，好不好？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-08-19T10:53:43.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:53:47.288889+08:00","text":"是，那多久可以給本席進度，至少也讓我知道timetable？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-08-19T10:53:49+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:54:02.200000+08:00","text":"這樣子我們才會落實，因為國家運動博物館是當時運動部成立之後承諾要蓋的，總不能遙遙無期，我們總是不能到最後，10年、5年後還沒有看到進度嘛！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-08-19T10:54:02.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:54:03.854545+08:00","text":"博物館絕對不會拖那麼久，這我確定。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-08-19T10:54:04+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:54:27.600000+08:00","text":"是，所以本席才會講如果能夠搭上現在在興建的運動場館，一起把它給放進來，變成是運動園區的概念，到時候民眾不分一年四季、365天，天天可以去看博物館、可以去看運動賽事、可以去看觀光發展，任何時候都可以親近那個運動場館，我想這才是有意義的，好不好？是。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-08-19T10:54:27.785714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:54:30.840000+08:00","text":"一個禮拜內給本席相關的規劃，可以嗎？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-08-19T10:54:31+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:54:32.454545+08:00","text":"可以給我們一個月的時間嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-08-19T10:54:32.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:54:35.800000+08:00","text":"因為聯繫需要時間，我們要跟新北市政府去聯絡一下。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-08-19T10:54:35.966667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:54:38.733333+08:00","text":"好，一個月，但最重要是本席要看到進度，好不好？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:54:38.733333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:54:39.733333+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-08-19T10:54:38.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:54:46.133333+08:00","text":"不一定限新北市，我剛剛講桃園現在也有規劃，我重點在於你們主動去溝通協調，好不好？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"黃次長啟煌","start":"2026-08-19T10:54:46.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:54:48.050000+08:00","text":"好的，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:54:48.550000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:54:51.407143+08:00","text":"謝謝洪委員，官員請回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:54:51.707143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:54:53.421429+08:00","text":"現在休息5分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:54:53.721429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:54:54.864286+08:00","text":"休息（10時54分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:54:55.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