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樣，說就是老師的問題，老師不了解他的情緒，老師不了解他的個案，老師不知道怎麼去運用支持系統，老師沒辦法處理他的情緒，可是在第一線就是一直發生這樣的狀況。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:11:59+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:12:11.666667+08:00","text":"第一個建議，請你們真的去好好地跟第一線老師溝通一下，到底教育現場遇到什麼狀況，不要只聽這些唱高調的團體的做法，好不好？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:12:12+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:12:17.857143+08:00","text":"可不可以去關心一下第一線的老師，到底他們怎麼看？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:12:18+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:12:22.750000+08:00","text":"面對這種有攻擊性的特生，到底應該要怎麼做？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:12:23+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:12:24.750000+08:00","text":"這是第一個建議。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:12:25+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:12:46.846154+08:00","text":"第二個建議，剛剛我們看到2024年臺北老師被攻擊的事件，他現在提告了，當然他勝訴，但其實我要坦白講，在教育現場，老師去告學生都是很痛苦的一個抉擇，因為我知道很多老師被攻擊之後都不想要提告，但是有的老師覺得要透過提告來捍衛自己的尊嚴。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:12:47.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:13:07.818182+08:00","text":"這個老師求償102萬，最後法院判決學生及母親連帶賠償10萬，10萬根本不夠老師的律師費，律師費是20萬，因為那時候法院認為律師費是老師為了尋求個人權益的必要性支出，不應該屬於賠償的範圍。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:13:08.230769+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:13:38.750000+08:00","text":"現在韓國有成立教權局，教育部應該知道，教權局基本上是給老師兩個支持，一個是行政支持，就是心理上的支持，當老師面對被學生霸凌或毆打的狀況，在臺灣其實很多老師是獨自面對，因為學校有時候擔心家長的壓力，所以對老師可能也不會凸顯出很大的支持，否則又會被認為師師相護，因此有很多老師面對這種狀況時是很孤單的。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:13:39+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:03.842105+08:00","text":"我覺得教育部應該也可以仿照韓國的做法，第一個給予心理跟行政的支持；第二個給予法律的支持，就是當老師被毆打要提告的話，我覺得國家應該要協助律師這部分，因為畢竟是義務教育，老師是幫國家執行義務教育的工作，廣義來說，他就是公務人員，那他在職場面對這個狀況，難道國家不應該在法律上給予支持嗎？","quality":0.924},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:05.142857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:08.875000+08:00","text":"我覺得教育部可以研議，現在有這個規劃嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"許副署長麗娟","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:09.444444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:10.777778+08:00","text":"委員，再補充一下……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:11+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:14.666667+08:00","text":"你先回答我的問題就好了，有這個支持的規劃嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"許副署長麗娟","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:15+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:24.833333+08:00","text":"我們現在有一個執行原則，上個禮拜跟輔諮中心……我們沒有找其他民間團體，主要是找輔諮中心跟情支中心還有縣市。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"許副署長麗娟","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:25.571429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:32.888889+08:00","text":"跟委員剛剛提到的一樣，我們把原則深化變成指引，可以讓老師知道如果在這些狀況的時候……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:33+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:35.833333+08:00","text":"我是說律師費，法律支持。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"許副署長麗娟","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:36+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:38.800000+08:00","text":"關於法律支持，我們本來就在研擬要協助。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:39+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:39.916667+08:00","text":"本來研擬，大概什麼時候會上路？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"許副署長麗娟","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:40.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:41.800000+08:00","text":"我們會後再跟委員講時間。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:42+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:42.833333+08:00","text":"為什麼會後？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:43.909091+08:00","text":"我現在質詢為什麼要會後？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:44+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:44.714286+08:00","text":"你現在講就好了。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:45+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:46.666667+08:00","text":"預計明年上路。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:47+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:48.857143+08:00","text":"預計明年上路，什麼時候？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:50+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:50.857143+08:00","text":"具體做法是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:51+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:14:52.600000+08:00","text":"法律諮詢跟……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:14:53+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:15:14.764706+08:00","text":"不是諮詢，就是當老師在現場面對到這樣的狀況，像我現在舉的臺北市案例，這個老師被打然後提告，律師費就20萬，他提告是捍衛他的尊嚴，可是實際上他所付出的財物還比較多，這個部分國家不能給予老師支持嗎？","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T11:15:15.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:15:17.800000+08:00","text":"現在我們在研議中，也會朝這個方向研議。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:15:18+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:15:18.875000+08:00","text":"朝這個方向是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T11:15:19+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:15:21.250000+08:00","text":"對，如果他的行為是發生在委員講的……","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:15:22.133333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:15:23.466667+08:00","text":"一個月給研議的結果。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:15:25.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:15:37.714286+08:00","text":"再來，還有最後一個建議，因為我每次都看到人本基金會很會講，講一大堆，感覺它很想要來協助處理這些事情。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:15:38.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:15:53.777778+08:00","text":"人本基金會辦學據說很貴，一學期18萬，師生比1比5，自己用這麼高的學費篩選學生，然後又一直說三道四。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:15:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:16:04.714286+08:00","text":"我是建議像這種有攻擊性的特生，是不是教育部幫忙媒合一下，也幫忙補助一下，交給人本的學校？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:16:05+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:16:23.818182+08:00","text":"就是大家可以去，因為它那麼厲害嘛，那就請他們來教學一下，但是它的學費比較貴，看教育部是請他們針對這些學生降低一點，還是補助怎麼樣，我覺得我也可以說服我們黨的委員支持以補助來處理這個事情。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:16:24.352941+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:16:34.777778+08:00","text":"畢竟一個學校有這種攻擊性的特生，如果你是家長，大家將心比心，次長，如果你的小孩在這樣的一個班上，你一定也很難受。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:16:35.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:16:40.307692+08:00","text":"我覺得要很積極處理這件事情，這個你也研議一下，次長，好不好？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T11:16:42+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:16:42.857143+08:00","text":"尊重委員的看法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:16:43.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:16:44.750000+08:00","text":"你研議一下嘛。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T11:16:45+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:16:46.833333+08:00","text":"尊重委員的看法，因為民間也有民間團體……","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:16:50+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:16:50.857143+08:00","text":"我是幫忙想解方啦。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T11:16:51+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:16:51.833333+08:00","text":"尊重委員的看法。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:16:52+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:17:16.636364+08:00","text":"因為你們講的都是很高調，講了一大堆，但是常常發生類似的事情，只是報出來比較嚴重的，我們知道一定有一些攻擊性的事件並沒有上新聞，但可能也有這個狀況，就是一個不定時炸彈，我們不能假裝沒看到，所以我在幫你想解方，你有更好的方法當然我們也支持，可是我覺得你們現在提出來的這些方法，並沒有解決現狀的問題。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:17:19.571429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:17:20.714286+08:00","text":"再請教一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:17:22+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:17:39.875000+08:00","text":"最近有一個學生團體叫EdYouth，它做了一個針對108課綱的調查，提到了學習歷程檔案，上一次我有質詢學習歷程檔案，學測之後……次長可以回答嗎？","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:17:40+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:17:41.777778+08:00","text":"關於學習歷程檔案的問題。嗯。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:17:42.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:18:01.666667+08:00","text":"因為學測之後很多學生並沒有達到學測的標準，當然之前的學習歷程檔案他們就認為用不到，所以有些老師跟我反映為什麼不能等到學測之後再來上傳檔案。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:18:02.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:18:12.833333+08:00","text":"後來教育部有個做法，就是可以上傳PDF檔，亦即有兩個選擇，一個是學習歷程檔案，另外一個是PDF檔的上傳。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:18:13.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:18:33.777778+08:00","text":"依據這個學生團體的調查顯示，因為PDF檔的上傳不需要師長認證，所以他們得知這樣的做法之後，選擇PDF上傳的人是蠻多的，再加上學習歷程檔案現在的未提交率是非常高的。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:18:36.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:18:48.750000+08:00","text":"我不知道，因為從我上次提到學習歷程檔案的事情到現在也好幾個月了，關於學習歷程檔案這件事情，到底你們現在有沒有一個比較完整的看法？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:18:49.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:18:50.777778+08:00","text":"應該要繼續嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:18:51.363636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:19:00.875000+08:00","text":"一個制度執行到現在有這麼多的問題，而且學生也不想要用，很多學校老師也反映好像達不到效果，你們還要繼續嗎？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"廖司長高賢","start":"2026-08-19T11:19:03+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:19:37.833333+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，根據我們的大學招生專業化的相關研究團隊調查，其實每個學期學生提交EP的比例都有高達八成以上，雖然有些微下滑，但是如果這些學生用所謂的學習歷程檔案來申請入學的話，基本上，他們是有高度關聯的，就是用EP來作為他們升學依據的時候，在申請入學的管道，他們會獲得錄取的比例是有正相關的。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"廖司長高賢","start":"2026-08-19T11:19:38+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:19:58.769231+08:00","text":"所以這個部分根據上次委員的提示，我們有做了幾個檢討，如何將學習歷程檔案裡頭的內容可以精簡、簡化，讓學生更知道大學端在審查時看中的是什麼樣的成果表現，其實我們都有在研議當中。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:19:59+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:19:59.833333+08:00","text":"什麼研議當中？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:20:00+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:20:00.800000+08:00","text":"你講的好空喔！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-08-19T11:20:01+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T11:20:11.714286+08:00"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