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Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-19T10:12:42.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:13:32.714286+08:00","text":"從這幾年實驗學校發展的課程教材看來，我們發現雖然依據國家的課綱，但是實驗學校以族群為本位，孩子很樂意學、很容易懂、有文化回應，他知道他是誰，知道現在讀的是在跟客家文化對話、跟漢人文化對話、跟國外的文化對話，他從自己的文化出發，有那樣的文化脈絡，他樂意學、容易懂，很自然地，學習成效是提升的，甚至回家以後，他的課程可以做代間學習，祖父母可以跟他一起做共學討論。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-19T10:13:33.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:13:49.727273+08:00","text":"我在這個地方必須做這樣的說明，但是我們需要一部法來支撐，因為整個學校的師資、課程的培育需要這部法來支撐。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-19T10:13:50+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:14:09.600000+08:00","text":"甚至像上次公聽會提到花蓮Tamorak族語學園的孩子從幼兒園銜接到國小，他們是非學型態，用實驗三法，孩子畢了業都會講族語。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-19T10:14:11.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:14:27.625000+08:00","text":"基隆八斗高中很想接住這樣的學生到他們的學校，因為八斗高中的孩子80%都能夠通過中高級的族語認證。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai 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Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:20.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:20.833333+08:00","text":"教育部呢？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:24.714286+08:00","text":"我們就配合原民會的規劃，我們會全力配合。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:25.166667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:26.833333+08:00","text":"你們會有一個平臺討論嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:27+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:28.818182+08:00","text":"有，我們本來就有一個平臺，業務……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:28.818182+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:29.818182+08:00","text":"我們本來就有。","quality":0},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:29.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:32.818182+08:00","text":"一個月內的話，你們會有平臺可以討論嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"杜副主任委員張梅莊","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:33+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:34.454545+08:00","text":"我們可以為了這個再開會。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:34.454545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:35.454545+08:00","text":"再開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:35.454545+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:36.454545+08:00","text":"OK，好，謝謝。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:35.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:36.600000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:37.100000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:39.671429+08:00","text":"感謝伍麗華召委質詢。","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T10:16:39.971429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T10:16:42.257143+08:00","text":"請吳思瑤委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}