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絕對沒有，你不但在我質詢的時候否認有交換這一件事，事後你們還發布新聞稿，再次的表示沒有交換這一件事，對吧？是的。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:38:58.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:38:59.460000+08:00","text":"那你現在呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:38:59.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:39:22.217647+08:00","text":"現在我再問你一次，你還會不會否認你們拿司法院需要跟行政院一起會銜刑法毒駕修法，然後要求行政院交換，也要同意會銜今天的刑事訴訟法的修法？","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:39:22.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:39:27.633333+08:00","text":"你今天現在再說一次，有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:39:27.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:39:39.480000+08:00","text":"我們絕對不會用代價，行政院關於毒駕的修法過來，我們三天就會銜，然後當然……","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:39:39.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:39:41.287500+08:00","text":"好，我現在問你有沒有？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:39:41.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:39:42.600000+08:00","text":"沒有啊。沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:39:42.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:39:45.244444+08:00","text":"來，你來看這一張是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:39:45.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:40:12.514286+08:00","text":"我今天要拿證據給你看，這個是訊息，這個是LINE，這是6月18號貴院傳了一段文字訊息給行政部門，訊息的內容在這裡，經請示秘書長，其裁示如下，請參考：第一，須於今天內傳最終定案版修正草案到本院。","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:40:12.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:40:27.475000+08:00","text":"第二，請告知上開刑事訴訟法修正草案（減輕負擔）的確切會銜時間，本院才會將刑法修正案列入下週院會。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:40:29.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:40:42+08:00","text":"你們6月18號列入，你們通過送到……你們的新聞稿是說6月25號於你們的院會通過，司法院院會通過，來，看清楚了沒？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:40:42.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:40:44.077778+08:00","text":"我沒有做這樣的裁示喔！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:40:44.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:41:08.966667+08:00","text":"這段文字的內容這麼清楚，要求行政院要確切的告知，行政院對今天的刑事訴訟法修正草案什麼時候要一起會銜，司法院才要將刑法毒駕的修法案排入司法院的院會審議，這明擺著就是交換，不是嗎？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:41:09.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:41:27.085714+08:00","text":"要求行政院要同意你們今天的刑事訴訟法的修正草案，你們才要同意行政院的刑法毒駕修法案，文字的內容你看清楚，經請示秘書長，秘書長就是你啊！","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:41:27.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:41:32.014286+08:00","text":"經秘書長裁示，裁示的也是你啊！","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:41:32.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:41:33.966667+08:00","text":"不是嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:41:34.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:41:55.966667+08:00","text":"你裁示，人家請示你，你裁示，要求行政院要交換，他要我會銜毒駕的修法，那我要簡化裁判書的修法，他也要給我一起會銜，你在這裡說沒有，你說絕對沒有！沒有！","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:41:56.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:41:58.157143+08:00","text":"證據在這裡，你還可以繼續說沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:41:58.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:41:58.966667+08:00","text":"這是第一個。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:41:59.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:42:05.900000+08:00","text":"第二個，你還說這是對你們的侮辱，請問現在是誰在侮辱誰？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:42:06.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:42:09.069231+08:00","text":"難道不是你在侮辱全國民眾嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:42:09.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:42:15+08:00","text":"難道不是你在侮辱全國兢兢業業工作的法官嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:42:15.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:42:25+08:00","text":"司法院的高層在這裡、在國會殿堂可以這樣子的說謊，你要人民如何相信司法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:42:25.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:42:40.442857+08:00","text":"難怪大家都在講司法要改革，剛才王世堅委員講的，人民對司法的信任度非常低，比立法院還要低，但是看來看去，最該改革的是司法院的高層。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:42:42.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:42:47.966667+08:00","text":"秘書長，證據在這裡，你要不要跟人民道歉？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:42:48.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:42:51.900000+08:00","text":"跟認真努力的法官道歉？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:42:52.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:42:55+08:00","text":"這不是交換，什麼是交換？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:42:55.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:43:02.033333+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我絕對沒有裁示剛剛委員講的事情。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:43:02.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:43:04.300000+08:00","text":"那這個是什麼？6月18號……","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:43:05.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:43:06.550000+08:00","text":"好，那我就這個……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:43:07.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:43:11.050000+08:00","text":"這個字眼是不是請示你，然後你裁示的？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:43:11.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:43:19.700000+08:00","text":"可是委員……好，如果要說的話，我們是要請他們告訴我們確切的會銜時間而已……","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:43:20.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:43:29.700000+08:00","text":"你可以在這裡硬拗，你這裡說本院才會將刑法修正案列入你們6月25號的院會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:43:30.845455+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:43:34.100000+08:00","text":"委員可不可以請我們的刑事廳……","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:43:34.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:43:35.442857+08:00","text":"你們刑事廳？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:43:35.728571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:43:38.014286+08:00","text":"這裡面有寫刑事廳嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:43:38.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:43:41.069231+08:00","text":"這裡講的是請示你高大秘書長！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:43:41.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:43:44.900000+08:00","text":"經你高大秘書長裁示耶！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:43:45.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:43:49.133333+08:00","text":"你還說，當天我質詢你，你說絕對沒有！","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:43:49.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:43:54.133333+08:00","text":"現在說好，我叫廳長來解釋，是你要解釋，不是廳長要解釋！","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:43:54.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:43:57.376923+08:00","text":"因為我確實沒有做這樣的裁示，可是……","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:43:58.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:44:02.033333+08:00","text":"那你的意思是，表達意見的人……","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:44:02.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:44:08.069231+08:00","text":"表達意見的文字，所以我要請他來跟委員解釋……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:44:08.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:44:47.027273+08:00","text":"秘書長，你剛才跟兩個禮拜前講話講得很兇，就像剛才王世堅委員指教你的，你剛才備詢的時候可以當場訓斥法務部，或許王世堅委員講的意思是，你對法務部次長講話非常的不客氣，但是或許你自己不知道，你經常就是這樣子講話，所以你個人交代下去，人家原封不動的把你的原意講給行政院的人聽。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-08-19T12:44:47.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:44:50.481818+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個是一段LINE，在很多LINE裡面的一段LINE……","quality":0.414},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:44:51.572727+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:44:54.966667+08:00","text":"一段LINE，沒有錯啊，你承認這個是事實吧！","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-08-19T12:44:56.157143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:00.142105+08:00","text":"是有這個LINE，但這個LINE跟你講的交換是完全兩回事。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:00.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:04.633333+08:00","text":"第一個，你們承認這個LINE的內容是真的存在……","quality":0.762},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:04.633333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:05.633333+08:00","text":"這個LINE是好幾通LINE裡面的其中一段。","quality":0.048},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:05.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:14.022222+08:00","text":"第二個，你們解讀這幾個文字，但你們的解讀跟社會大眾的解讀不一樣。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:14.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:16.050000+08:00","text":"這個怎麼會是交換呢？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:16.050000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:17.188889+08:00","text":"他是要求告知什麼時候審查跟會銜。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:17.188889+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:26.966667+08:00","text":"就是交換，請告知你們刑事訴訟法何時要一起會銜，我們才要將你們的毒駕修法一起會銜在院會通過。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:27.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:33.157143+08:00","text":"事實是22號收到會銜，我們25號就召開院會，這跟我們院會向來的習慣是不符。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:33.157143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:34.157143+08:00","text":"第二點……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:34.157143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:35.157143+08:00","text":"對，沒有講錯啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:33.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:36.027273+08:00","text":"6月18號你們問行政部門的人……","quality":1},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:36.027273+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:37.027273+08:00","text":"請求他們……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:36.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:37.118182+08:00","text":"然後6月22號……","quality":1},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:37.118182+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:38.118182+08:00","text":"什麼時候可以審查跟告知會銜日期，跟交換怎麼會是一樣的呢？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:37.936364+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:46.550000+08:00","text":"行政院的人不願意跟你們一起會銜，然後公文就給你們，你們也只能6月25號趕快通過毒駕……","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:46.550000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:47.550000+08:00","text":"怎麼會？","quality":0},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:47.550000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:48.550000+08:00","text":"我們可以簽延不會銜，院會我們可以排啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:47.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:55.050000+08:00","text":"我現在的意思是，廳長，這個跟你無關，你不要跳進來護航你們的秘書長啦！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:55.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:56.966667+08:00","text":"這個不是護航，我們在講的是一個事實。","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:57.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:45:58.900000+08:00","text":"秘書長，這是你的事情，不要躲在部屬的後面啦！","quality":0.368},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-08-19T12:45:58.900000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:46:01.300000+08:00","text":"報告委員，在國會殿堂，我們不能夠這樣講。","quality":0.059},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:46:01.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:46:07.871429+08:00","text":"請你答詢，秘書長，你應不應該跟全國人民道歉？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:46:08.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:46:17.900000+08:00","text":"攸關人民交通安全最重要的毒駕修法竟然是你拿來交換的籌碼，重點是交換！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-08-19T12:46:18.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:46:20.300000+08:00","text":"報告委員，毒駕的草案我們積極幫助來研擬……6月25號……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-08-19T12:46:20.300000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:46:21.300000+08:00","text":"22號收到公文，25號就會銜。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:46:20.744444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:46:26.925000+08:00","text":"就是你們那一天講的，下週院會就是6月25號。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:46:29.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:46:43.633333+08:00","text":"秘書長，我繼續問你，行政院就是不同意交換，所以今天沒有看到兩院一起會銜的刑事訴訟法修正版本，沒有嘛！","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:46:44.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:46:47.966667+08:00","text":"因為行政院不同意，人家不願意啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:46:48.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:46:56+08:00","text":"你剛才還躲在廳長後面，叫廳長上前線，這件事情是你，不是廳長。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"許廳長辰舟","start":"2026-08-19T12:46:56.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:47:00.077778+08:00","text":"他是告知會銜時間，跟交換會銜是兩件事情。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:47:00.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:47:07.800000+08:00","text":"這一段文字交給媒體、交給全國民眾去解讀，看你們拗不拗得過去。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:47:08.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:47:19.800000+08:00","text":"我現在要講回到這次刑事訴訟法的修法，秘書長，你就是絕對死不認錯、絕不道歉，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:47:20.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:47:21.050000+08:00","text":"你先回答我。","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:47:21.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:47:25.133333+08:00","text":"有錯，一定要認錯，也應該要道歉。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:47:25.522222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:47:27.077778+08:00","text":"這段文字有沒有錯？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:47:27.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:47:32.077778+08:00","text":"可是我真的必須要說，我沒有躲在任何地方。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:47:32.761538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:47:36.900000+08:00","text":"我問你這一段文字有沒有錯，這樣的講法有沒有錯？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:47:37.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:47:42.069231+08:00","text":"我們只是希望……因為我們只是問，你東西來，我們就……","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:47:42.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:47:48.077778+08:00","text":"沒有，不要再硬拗，你就告訴我，你覺得你這樣寫沒有錯，你也可以這樣子講啊！","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:47:48.077778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:47:50.600000+08:00","text":"這個是我們同仁……","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬：或者你可以這樣講","start":"2026-08-19T12:47:50.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:47:57.800000+08:00","text":"我心直口快，講太快了，我沒有這個心，或許表達不恰當，我很抱歉。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬：或者你可以這樣講","start":"2026-08-19T12:47:58.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:48:02.064706+08:00","text":"但是你認為你這樣子講完全都沒有錯嗎？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬：或者你可以這樣講","start":"2026-08-19T12:48:02.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:48:04.800000+08:00","te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，均非必要記載事項。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:51:47.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:51:59.100000+08:00","text":"六個月以下輕罪簡化判決書，大概全體人民都有共識，減輕法官負擔，更何況是輕罪，大家都有共識，沒關係。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:51:59.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:52:13.014286+08:00","text":"可是你們現在不是這樣子，現在只要是兩年以下的判決書全部簡化，完全不必寫理由。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:52:13.522222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:52:17.118182+08:00","text":"我現在要跟你討論，什麼罪可以判在兩年以下？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:52:17.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:52:50.871429+08:00","text":"第一種，現今社會高度關注的，譬如食安事件，不要講中聯油脂這個個案，一般的就好了，食安法第四十九條第一項規定，有第十五條第一項第三款、第七款、第十款處七年以下；第二項，有第四十四條至前條行為，情節重大者也是一樣七年以下。","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:52:52.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:53:17.133333+08:00","text":"第十五條第一項第三款、第七款、第十款是什麼來看一下，違反第十五條第一項第三款、第七款、第十款處七年以下，是指「有毒或含有害人體健康之物質或異物」，中聯油脂就是這一項；或者是「攙偽或假冒」、「添加未經中央主管機關許可之添加物」。","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:53:19.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:53:28.900000+08:00","text":"立法者所訂的法定刑度是七年以下有期徒刑，法官可不可以判兩年以下？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:53:29.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:53:35.900000+08:00","text":"因為就符合你們的簡化判決書了，為什麼判兩年以下不用寫理由？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:53:38.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:53:40.100000+08:00","text":"有沒有可能判決兩年以下？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:53:40.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:53:40.550000+08:00","text":"當然啦！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:53:41.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:53:45.133333+08:00","text":"他的罪責是符合兩年以下，當然有可能啊！","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:53:47.014286+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:53:59.966667+08:00","text":"各位聽清楚，「攙偽或假冒」、「有毒或含有害人體健康之物質或異物」、「添加未經中央主管機關許可之添加物」，你七年以下還是有可能會被判兩年以下。","quality":0.593},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:00.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:04.966667+08:00","text":"法定刑七年，但是判決在兩年以下都有可能啊！","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:04.966667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:05.966667+08:00","text":"有可能。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:05.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:12.050000+08:00","text":"但是你的判決書全部簡化以後，有罪的理由全部都看不到了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:12.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:17.027273+08:00","text":"我剛剛唸的，你認定犯罪事實的理由……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:17.027273+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:18.027273+08:00","text":"麻煩林委員，你的時間要掌握好，已經超過10分鐘了。好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:17.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:25.550000+08:00","text":"對於你審酌他的情形，給他加重或減輕，或者是免除，有沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:25.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:27.300000+08:00","text":"我們不知道；理由是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:27.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:28.050000+08:00","text":"不知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:28.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:30.133333+08:00","text":"你有沒有給他緩刑、沒收或保安處分？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:30.633333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:31.966667+08:00","text":"理由是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:32.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:32.966667+08:00","text":"不知道！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:33.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:34.133333+08:00","text":"通通都不知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:35.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:38.014286+08:00","text":"你覺得人民可以接受嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:38.728571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:44.133333+08:00","text":"判刑兩年以下的相對都是重罪的，這樣子可以嗎？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:44.133333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:45.133333+08:00","text":"跟委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:44.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:48.027273+08:00","text":"再譬如說，詐欺，「過街老鼠人人喊打」。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:48.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:54:55.300000+08:00","text":"我們立法院修法，一修、再修、又修，都要加重刑責的詐欺罪，第四十三條……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T12:54:56.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:00.157143+08:00","text":"林委員，是不是可以就請司法院這邊回答？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:00.157143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:01.157143+08:00","text":"因為之前……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:00.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:02.146154+08:00","text":"我最後就這個很具體地講一下。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:02.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:03.300000+08:00","text":"抱歉主席！好，快！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:03.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:10.300000+08:00","text":"你詐欺人家的財物100萬，則處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑，對吧？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:11.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:18.966667+08:00","text":"立法者訂定的刑度，被害金額超過100萬的，刑度是三年以上十年以下。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:19.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:21.100000+08:00","text":"法官可不可以判兩年以下？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:21.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:22.050000+08:00","text":"可不可以？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:22.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:24.700000+08:00","text":"除非有減輕事由，法定事由……對嘛！","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:26.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:26.966667+08:00","text":"可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:27.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:29.077778+08:00","text":"要符合法定減輕事由。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:29.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:35.118182+08:00","text":"那如果他判了兩年以下，簡化判決書需不需要把他為什麼減輕寫出來？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:35.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:35.966667+08:00","text":"需要嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:36.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:37.050000+08:00","text":"可以不用哦！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:37.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:38.050000+08:00","text":"當然要啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:38.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:38.966667+08:00","text":"不需要！","quality":1},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:39.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:39.966667+08:00","text":"當然要啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:40.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:54+08:00","text":"照法務部的修法版本……你今天端不出來，但你請吳宗憲委員提了，我們召委都看不下去了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:54.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:55:58.900000+08:00","text":"兩年以下可以簡化判決書！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:55:59.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:56:18.966667+08:00","text":"他認定犯罪的理由，對於有沒有就刑法第五十七條、第五十八條，或者是第五十九條「情堪憫恕」，以至於減半，或者是加重、減輕、免除，以至於緩刑的理由是什麼，簡化判決書通通都不用寫。","quality":0.757},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:56:19.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:56:20.100000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，任何要簡化……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:56:20.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:56:21.966667+08:00","text":"通通都不用寫！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:56:23.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:56:28.300000+08:00","text":"枉費我們立法院在這裡每天都在加重刑責，沒效！","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:56:30.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:56:36.027273+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，他如果低於法定刑，他一定要寫清楚他的要件、他的理由、適用的法律。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:56:36.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:56:51.585714+08:00","text":"你的現行的、拿出來的、端出來的司法院刑事訴訟法的修法版本第三百十條……第三百十條嗎？抱歉！","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:56:51.871429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:56:53.014286+08:00","text":"我剛剛忘了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T12:56:53.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:56:56.157143+08:00","text":"現在司法院都還沒有送出任何的版本。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:56:56.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:56:56.966667+08:00","text":"有、有、有！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:56:57.466667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:57:00.077778+08:00","text":"他送不出來，但他有公告在網站上。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:57:00.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:57:03.966667+08:00","text":"你們的版本就是通通都不用寫。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:57:04.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:57:15.050000+08:00","text":"司法院如果用這種簡化判決書的方式，然後不寫原因、理由，為什麼用刑法第五十九條「情堪憫恕」給他減半？","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:57:15.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:57:18.966667+08:00","text":"為什麼用第五十七條和第五十八條給他減輕其罪？","quality":0.524},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:57:19.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:57:25.966667+08:00","text":"你通通都沒有寫，判在兩年以下，我們被害人、這個社會可以接受嗎？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:57:26.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:57:29.966667+08:00","text":"我再舉例，刑法第二百二十一條的強制性交罪……","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T12:57:30.607692+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:57:32.800000+08:00","text":"林委員，今天時間真的已經超過太多了，不好意思！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T12:57:32.966667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:57:36.133333+08:00","text":"我想您的這個例子司法院那裡都清楚……","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:57:36.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:57:38.077778+08:00","text":"主席，我真的要結束了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:57:38.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:57:40.014286+08:00","text":"第二百二十一條的強制性交罪……","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T12:57:40.014286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:57:41.014286+08:00","text":"逐條審查還可以再討論。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:57:40.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:57:48.585714+08:00","text":"法定刑是三年以上，一樣可以判兩年以下，然後沒有寫理由。天啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:57:50.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:57:57.133333+08:00","text":"人民覺得法定刑就三年以上，你怎麼可能判兩年，沒有寫理由，然後他不知道？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:57:58.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:58:00.100000+08:00","text":"我覺得這是在傷害人民的情感。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:58:00.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:58:02.077778+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，應適用之法條在裡面一定是要寫的，是一定要的！","quality":0.36},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:58:02.077778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:58:03.663636+08:00","text":"因為委員提出來的……沒有！","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:58:03.663636+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:58:05.300000+08:00","text":"你們的版本就是不用。來！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:58:05.633333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:58:09.100000+08:00","text":"我最後再講這個修法會有什麼風險。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:58:11.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:58:20.077778+08:00","text":"他就是請吳宗憲委員提案，吳宗憲委員有稍微加一個附帶條款，但是這個修法會有高度的道德風險。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:58:20.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:58:29.633333+08:00","text":"判決書簡化，然後寫成2頁，明示、暗示被告認罪，然後判兩年再給緩刑，全部皆大歡喜。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:58:30.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:58:42.100000+08:00","text":"然後社會大眾不明白為什麼重罪會變成兩年、為什麼重大犯罪被法院減刑、法院認為第五十九條「情堪憫恕」可以引用的理由是什麼？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:58:42.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:58:43.100000+08:00","text":"不知道！","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:58:43.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:58:52.077778+08:00","text":"結果這樣判下去，你們擴大了簡化判決書，都沒有寫理由，受傷的是司法公信力……沒有！","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:58:52.077778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:58:53.077778+08:00","text":"檢察官他要盡到監督的責任，檢察官是可以上訴的啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:58:52.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:58:55.966667+08:00","text":"是社會大眾的正當法律情感。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:58:58.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:59:04.050000+08:00","text":"人民現在對你們司法已經不信任了，現在更是雪上加霜、更不信任。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"高秘書長金枝","start":"2026-08-19T12:59:04.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:59:07.900000+08:00","text":"我相信在司法裡面，檢察官是扮演重要的角色。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T12:59:07.900000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:59:08.900000+08:00","text":"好，請林委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:59:08.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:59:09.800000+08:00","text":"司法裡面？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:59:09.800000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:59:11.050000+08:00","text":"黑白講！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T12:59:11.050000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:59:12.300000+08:00","text":"林委員，我想今天的會議時間已經要結束了，林委員的質詢時間已經到了。","quality":0.033},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:59:12.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:59:18.050000+08:00","text":"法官是整個司法審判的第三者，不是檢察官說了算！","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:59:18.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:59:24.014286+08:00","text":"如果法官是檢察官的起訴書說了算，就不需要法院了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:59:24.014286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:59:25.014286+08:00","text":"秘書長在這裡黑白講！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T12:59:24.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:59:33.966667+08:00","text":"我想林委員所提的意見，司法院應該都已經聽到了，先前很多委員針對這個案子已經有提出相關的意見了……","quality":0.614},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:59:34.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:59:37.800000+08:00","text":"我現在再講，降低法官工作量的配套，我們很重視……","quality":0.35},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T12:59:37.800000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:59:38.800000+08:00","text":"林委員，我想請你尊重我作為主席，你的發言已經停止了，我現在要按下停止鍵了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:59:38.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:59:48.077778+08:00","text":"降低法官的工作量，但是也不能損及人民的權益、不能損及司法的公信力、不能傷害人民的正當法律情感……","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T12:59:48.077778+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:59:50.300000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝林委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:59:50.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T12:59:53.800000+08:00","text":"主席，我跟你報告，勞逸不均的問題沒有解決，你看勞逸不均……","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T12:59:53.800000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T12:59:54.800000+08:00","text":"您的問題可以會後再提書面質詢……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T12:59:54.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T13:00:02.014286+08:00","text":"很多庭長、審判長的工作分案量都會交給其他法官……","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T13:00:02.014286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T13:00:03.014286+08:00","text":"今天會議的時間，我在這邊要進行宣告了……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T13:00:02.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T13:00:05.800000+08:00","text":"他們的智商法院、行政法院……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T13:00:05.800000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T13:00:06.800000+08:00","text":"林委員，請你尊重主席的裁示！","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員淑芬","start":"2026-08-19T13:00:06.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-19T13:00:13.300000+08:00","text":"跟一般法院行政上的分配不均，所以你要從這裡解決！好了！","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T13:00:13.800000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T13:00:14.942857+08:00","text":"不好意思！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-19T13:00:15.242857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-19T13:00:21.242857+08:00","text":"現在所有登記發言委員都已經發言完畢，詢答結束……","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}