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謝謝胡婉玲社長"},{"start":2849.775,"end":2872.965,"text":"那各相關機關所提的書面資料就請大家委員一併參閱那現在進行詢答每位出席委員的質詢時間是6分鐘必要時延長2分鐘列席時間列席委員的質詢時間為4分鐘發言登記截止的時間是上午30分委員如果有臨時提案請在"},{"start":2874.746,"end":2896.546,"text":"10点30分前提出将与本会委员吴佩义质询之后随即进行处理处理提案时若提案委员及邻属委员不在场的话原例就不处理首先请发言第一位登记的柯志恩委员质询"},{"start":2902.961,"end":2905.183,"text":"謝謝趙偉 我們是不是請黎院部長柯委員你好好 部長好因為今天趙偉排的這個時程所以我們昨天開了一個公式的預備會議既然開了預備會議 表示要開始審查那事實上我們從過去就一直在問他是在5月就應該出來也是說去年的這個時候就應該有名單出來請問現在卡關在什麼地方"},{"start":2932.942,"end":2948.93,"text":"跟委員報告我們在去年11月就開始啟動這個下一屆這個委員的政選那這個我們有公文可以作證然後從去年11月開始啟動到現在中間所遇到的問題在上一次"},{"start":2949.73,"end":2973.177,"text":"好幾次你都回答過了所以現在目前進度怎麼樣你上次說找不到人現在又是在準備中那現在到底是怎麼樣告訴那個委員好消息昨天我們剛剛開過一個預備會議那就表示說我們已經開始可以往下進行這個審議了好 到什麼時候這個董監事名單都可以出來包括董事長名單其實我們就等這個下一波要開始審議的時候什麼時候"},{"start":2974.337,"end":2993.223,"text":"看那个审议会什么时候开审议会什么时候开名单其实我们当然是随时准备好那审议会所以已经有了嘛董事长还有这些所有的名单里面都已经有附案了嘛行政院也应该知道嘛甚至总统也都已经知道了嘛如果我们启动这个如果我们启动这个审查委员的预备会议的话就表示我们差不多了"},{"start":2993.763,"end":3010.635,"text":"对 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no我觉得刚刚听到各位各位在场都听到我们的媒体所以你虽然是满意的就对了我觉得我算满意"},{"start":3046.226,"end":3065.728,"text":"你算滿意但是還有很多問題從你任內開始從當華視總經理到現在你都已經變成了文化部長了很多問題還是沒有解決我還是要再問一次因為華視自從公共化累積虧損是35到40以前我就教育你的時候你都已經講出它有天生的一個宿命但是你看財務狀況沒有改沒有"},{"start":3066.949,"end":3095.107,"text":"改善了亏损2.4到3亿啊然后我可以看出我调列出这个部分来如果你没有这个大陆的租赁的话一年的收入可以有3.5亿的话你恐怕一年就要亏损达到6亿这没有错吧好那我们就来看一下啊华氏因为经营不善亏损连连哦现金流量不够据说在11月的时候又跟华南银行增加借款3亿元嘛所以说呢目前执押借款华氏光复大陆已经超过40亿了"},{"start":3095.447,"end":3110.932,"text":"所以部長你知道嗎很多人說這個華視的光復大樓現在已經改名變成華銀光復大樓了你跟他借著40億在那個地方最有趣的是你賴以為生的這個金雞母你竟然被貼上了建築物公共安全展不合格的場所部長你知道哪裡不合格嗎你們在門口被貼上這個我因為我們基於文化部沒有去干預這個公共媒體我還沒有看到你已經被貼上了這個不合格你們的金雞母被貼上不合格它貼在華視我沒有看到"},{"start":3125.507,"end":3152.851,"text":"现在就已经贴在那个地方我跟部长报告一下为什么我会关注这样的问题因为建管处跟消防局已经多次来做检查然后你们都不符合的标准因为你们很多内部你们所租借的房客里面非常多的装修跟原大陆的设计不符合而且消防安检也因为设计状况也不符合规定所以建管处还有消防局已经多次的来做这个部分里面不见改善所以就给你贴上了这样的一个标示"},{"start":3153.371,"end":3170.21,"text":"我为什么要提出这个问题呢因为香港的洪福院已经发生这么个状况你里面有这么多的承包的这个部分你现在发生这样的状况让人家感觉里面就只是要租然后赚的钱然后也不管你家里面的安全设备华氏会不会变成一个黑心房东啊"},{"start":3171.041,"end":3189.12,"text":"这个听起来好像有点蛮严重的是不是请那个董事长来报告因为这点我还真的不太知道所以说你完全不顾别人那个安全而且我据说因为你们如果真的要来做一个更新的话可能要花上上千万所以一拖再拖一拖再拖被人家贴上这样一个标识"},{"start":3189.54,"end":3208.576,"text":"跟委員報告就我了解它是有兩個租戶那我們有非常多的租戶那他們在做室內裝潢的時候沒有向政府做申請所以現在都已經在改善目前狀況應該很快就我看到什麼時候會經過這個部分把它拿下來因為這個正是它是你的經濟目你沒有所以說呢這個"},{"start":3209.657,"end":3227.257,"text":"所以到底华氏未来是要买回民股还是要做商业化我不晓得你们有什么样的想法因为已经被折磨了20年了每年在亏好像都不太怕因为你们可以把你们的金积木拿出外面借即使它安检不通过而且最主要是很多人认为它是一个黄金地段"},{"start":3227.757,"end":3244.24,"text":"所以说呢你只要到时候以资产把它活化处理掉到时候来出售这个部分利益是非常的惊人我们也不希望达到这个程度可是华氏的问题没有办法解决部长你都当过总经理你都对他有一份的情感你可不可以终止华氏被折磨20年的噩梦啊"},{"start":3247.015,"end":3259.006,"text":"關於華視的問題包括我們每次提到不同的議題譬如說民股買回或者資產活化因為它涉及到很多這種法律上的問題你說它被折磨20年"},{"start":3260.663,"end":3279.664,"text":"我本來以為就在我那個時候要結束了它能夠拖20年你可以想像作為一個政府機關大家想盡辦法在不同的時候撥預算給它還是沒有辦法解決所以沒有辦法解決我的意思就是說你都已經當過你非常清楚裡面的生態你都沒有辦法解決我們真的不用期待下面的人可以解決"},{"start":3280.225,"end":3305.077,"text":"他就会是一直是质询台上面大家拿出来的问的一个问题好不好显然目前为止我没有得到我希望的一个答案我们马上进入下一个有关台湾plus的部分因为台湾plus有没有达到节目第一年新播率的25%的一个承诺因为NCC曾经表示你们需要如此可是我们看你们的年报去年台湾plus还有1029小时今年直播的时数"},{"start":3305.777,"end":3315.6,"text":"比去年還要低只有975小時所以說你告訴我你要逐年你們報告裡面所寫的要在逐年提升自製產量為目標顯然沒有嘛"},{"start":3317.128,"end":3335.74,"text":"而且呢我這樣看一下你們公開資訊如果這樣子一年975小時然後呢這樣的算法的話幾乎每天的新制的節目大概只有2.67小時一般我們來說的話黃金我們看電視的時間大概4個小時左右你一天只有2.67完全是不符合標準的來部長"},{"start":3336.681,"end":3354.975,"text":"而且我们一年还是花了8亿其实跟委员报告这的确是但是委员应该也了解当我们的预算被砍多少的时候我们节目就没有能力做多少一年8亿没有办法产出这么多吗减少2亿多的话节目真的少很多其实我们台湾Plus预算是被砍非常多的"},{"start":3355.555,"end":3375.97,"text":"台灣plus被砍非常多就是因為大家從數字來說法它沒有辦法包括它的點播率等等還有包括不管是台灣plus還有包括你的客家台台語台很多的新節目的比例都達不到我們所說的一個標準那我上次已經特別質詢過了我到目前為止我們看了一下這個月沒有呈現一個結果"},{"start":3377.051,"end":3406.611,"text":"所以这才是为什么这就是环环相扣的当你的绩效达不到的时候我们在预算上当然就会有一些的表示然后你没有办法提出一些方式的话那当然是你就没有办法得到这就是环环相扣的你总要告诉我们一个解决的方式对不对我们的时间实在太短了但是目前来说你也没有办法公开承诺可以让你的自具力达到25%甚至更高不要目前远远都是停播在重播这个到预算的时候还是会问到这样的问题"},{"start":3407.631,"end":3423.596,"text":"而且这本来就是NCC本来就讲嘛本来就要达到25这是法定上规定的嘛你们没有办法达到然后又说我们这个所谓的运算不够这个东西你该怎么解决我们还是无解啊部长你制作节目出身的你应该很清楚这个问题啊"},{"start":3424.946,"end":3450.961,"text":"就是因為我做過節目所以隨著現在那種節目的費用越來越貴只要在立法院被砍砍到一兩億錢所以說你告訴我如果說我的立法院的這個費用不砍的話你可以承諾到25到30我覺得差太多了因為你如果一兩億給我們的話那個節目的製作量真的多很多這點是非常現實的不能夠因為我們沒有達到你就繼續扛我們的預算繼續扛我們的預算我們就惡性循環"},{"start":3451.601,"end":3475.094,"text":"没有台湾plus砍预算的原因不是只有在于你们制作不到25%它还有非常多等一下还是有很多委员会根据这个部分来做一个部分所以这个东西的这个到底是谁是因谁是果我觉得部长带回去包括我刚刚所提到的华氏到目前为止的台湾plus我都没有得到一个很满意的一个答复最后我只问一个对不起那个赵伟"},{"start":3475.794,"end":3489.944,"text":"目前為止台灣plus過去內容都是偽製而且大概就用藝文採購的名義完全是規避了政府採購法所規定的公開範圍我只問部長你知道台灣plus進入公廣集團之後內容偽製有幾件是公開招標的嗎"},{"start":3491.246,"end":3513.657,"text":"這我不太清楚一件只有一件所以說你完全用這樣的一個方式所以就這樣的方式到底會不會造成一些所謂有一些的違規違法的目前的一個狀況是否都是採用這樣的藝文採購而且你們完全是用這個完全是規避這個有沒有違法有沒有來集合我都希望根據內部的一個方式"},{"start":3514.477,"end":3539.671,"text":"台灣plus也有被來做這個審核有沒有違法到底後續的一個處理狀況怎麼樣我今天在質詢台上沒有辦法時間的關係但是我需要你給我一個非常完整的素面報告因為這些都是我們所看到的一個問題而且有非常多人跟我們來做這樣的澄清跟舉報我不要在這邊公開說但請給我一個完整的一個報告可以嗎可以沒問題好謝謝好謝謝柯子文委員官員請回座"},{"start":3547.267,"end":3562.388,"text":"好現在我們請劉淑冰委員好有請李部長請部長"},{"start":3567.825,"end":3591.777,"text":"劉委員你好部長好我們看到11月5號的時候您已經在立法院告知目前的公共電視文化基金會的董事的名單當中你們當時說的是差了一個人目前的進度剛才說昨天有開會對不對現在的進度當中預計是盡快的會送出去對不對"},{"start":3593.837,"end":3619.63,"text":"到那個規定就是我們成立了這個審議委員會之後當我們的名單已經差不多出來的時候那現在這一位大概補足了嗎夠了已經差不多了就是因為當我們的這個審議委員會會開預備會議他們就開始討論下一次什麼時候開始審議然後我們就在四單的時候會公佈名單所以您剛才問的問題最後一位補足那個我們在四單的時候就公佈全部的名單"},{"start":3620.751,"end":3638.711,"text":"讓整個社會看到現在有一個問題我們看到在公共電視法第13條裡面有講到有員工代表的董事那是由公視基金會的企業工會來去推派那請問一下公視這邊有沒有已經準備好了一個一個工會的董事代表有有有已經有了"},{"start":3639.272,"end":3658.879,"text":"所以這個名單目前還不能公佈因為還在審議因為這次代表的是跟工會跟公視的支持他是員工工會所推選產生那這個名單已經出來了已經出來了所以這個名單已經出來了就一位嗎還是一位好那這個大家就可以再繼續追蹤另外部長我再請教您"},{"start":3660.339,"end":3677.504,"text":"上次的時候我也問到是說可以採取這種中選會的方式這樣子提名的方式去跟各政黨來徵詢那包括是在公共電視法的第三條第五項也提到這邊那您後來說你會回去思考那這邊你們現在就是怎麼樣的一個方向呢"},{"start":3678.766,"end":3693.631,"text":"按照公司法規定這個名單一定要由行政院提出來然後我們文化部就是一個幕僚單位然後由立法院按照那個比例選出重新再產生一個"},{"start":3694.887,"end":3716.346,"text":"社會公正原始我的意思是說他有一個一定的程序然後政黨比例只能選出那個評議委員那評議委員在審查我們所提的名單如果對名單有意見或者怎麼樣的話就有一個直播對外非常公開"},{"start":3717.046,"end":3733.669,"text":"因為在公共廣播集團的董事跟監事他地位是很崇高的他必須要一個社會公正人士選拔的過程中好你就是會兼顧到這個重黨所以剛剛提到那個郵政黨比例那個是不符合原來公共電視法的"},{"start":3735.03,"end":3757.8,"text":"他是說比例不能超過4分之1就是他已經有這樣的規定了就是有注意到這個部分那我們繼續往下看我看到是說公視的經營績效在113年的確有改善是正的是盈餘的但是我們現在到114年看到是目前是正的但是你在115年的預算的部分那你有提到是預計會虧損那為什麼會預計有虧損的情形呢"},{"start":3761.201,"end":3778.302,"text":"還包括自籌款的這一部分這個績效也是很重要的您這邊回答一下還包括這樣版權的營收大概會賺多少因為這也是產業說公視真的是有在有自籌款的這樣一個能力這個部分因為涉及到明年的編的預算我是不是請公視董事長來回答好 請吳董事長"},{"start":3784.281,"end":3795.073,"text":"謝謝委員關心我們的財務我們基本上來講都是按照第一個是政府捐贈的部分加上我們對製作館的預估收入然後來進行整體預算的規劃"},{"start":3796.567,"end":3815.932,"text":"那政府的這個捐贈收入當然還要看大院的審核率您說的是我現在說預計我們當初會想說會虧損你們現在113年已經是正的請您要針對問題要回答其實我們這幾年有出現虧損的主要原因第一個就是任列華市的虧損"},{"start":3816.972,"end":3833.167,"text":"那因為我們擁有83%左右的華氏股份所以華氏的虧損我們必須認定不過那個不會影響到公司的現金的一個運用所以它直接上是並不會造成公司財務運作上的困難就等華氏再去把它處理就好了"},{"start":3833.467,"end":3855.086,"text":"那自筹款的部分应该现在刚刚是有大概七八趴这种情况那这个会再增加吗如果是增加是往哪些方向发展是跟委员报告自筹款的收入最主要的差异其实就是版权收入的部分当我们有比较多的戏剧产出那这些在全球或台湾的版权收入就会比较高"},{"start":3855.746,"end":3872.102,"text":"那其他部分當然還是有受到一些影響譬如說前兩年當我們的公司法修正之後造成的所以你們現在還是沒有一個數據要呈現就是說大概往方向目標這個部分去呈現當然我們還是努力要增加我們請總經理來說一下增加目標"},{"start":3873.302,"end":3897.407,"text":"好的 其實我們自籌款主要幾個來源一個就是版權收入一個是租金的收入另外就是捐贈的收入那其實目前影響它的大水位的主要是版權收入因為我們版權收入大概佔我們所有自籌款的三分之二所以這個版權收入跟當年戲劇的這個銷售有關所以113那麼高其實是我的婆婆怎麼那麼可愛的二"},{"start":3897.887,"end":3913.927,"text":"他其实是销售的版权成绩是非常好的所以你们预计应该是未来有机会要变成正的对不对希望目前你们现在得这么久因为得奖并不等于就是要还是收视率或是说他的版权办得出来是的那我们预期是希望如此谢谢那大概有几部片子呢"},{"start":3915.068,"end":3939.63,"text":"其实明年大概是两部其实我们以我们的目前能量一年大概自制的都是两部左右那所以这个两部也涉及到我们投资的资金比例我们投资资金越高回收占比也就越高所以其实现在业界的这个制作费越来越高的状况之下其实这个先回收的这个困难度其实也是越来越高但是我们是跟业界一起努力打拼谢谢"},{"start":3939.65,"end":3963.47,"text":"好希望達到這個目標但我們看到剛才說的113年的這個53.33億可是這部分華視的到底它的虧損是多少這部分我想因為我的其他還有很多議題我就先請到時候請公視的董事長是不是可以請之後來部分這個做回答好謝謝我們現在看另外一個您所問的問題很大的一個問題數位轉型是你們重要的一個目標嗎"},{"start":3964.491,"end":3979.861,"text":"但是它數位轉型它很重要的是需要配合CDM的內容傳輸網路那這邊就問一下請問在你做OTT的這個經營上面有很大的網路的CDM的成本那公視在這邊CDM的支出預算是多少我還是請董事長或總經理來回答"},{"start":3983.527,"end":3997.606,"text":"好像沒有馬上補位是不是這邊缺乏總經理許總經理回答這個其實是非常的高我們其實一年因為我們非常多部門都需要所以大概一個月都是幾百萬"},{"start":3998.447,"end":4014.703,"text":"甚至一千萬左右的支出所以你們是用初租的還是用自己建置的都是租的自己建置的部分非常少自己建置的是我們內部的資料這個沒有辦法上雲但是像我們經營公事家這些就是其實是需要雲的這個部分這個是用租的"},{"start":4015.203,"end":4040.303,"text":"是用租的所以這個價格已經知道那現在連包括說因為是OTT的關係所以你們的部分有提到公司家啦公司新聞網小公視啦等等的甚至台灣plus這些部分可是我覺得最重要的是這些數據啊都是點閱率啊我們現在很重要的是說有沒有一個有效的營運績效指標的建立啊因為這邊的觀看數據裡面如果只看點閱率甚至包括是有"},{"start":4040.723,"end":4068.574,"text":"追蹤數 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謝謝我們接下來是不是請萬美玲委員"},{"start":4505.37,"end":4522.976,"text":"好謝謝主席我們有請林遠部長還有我們公視的胡董事長有請林遠部長部長我想我一樣要請教一下"},{"start":4530.917,"end":4545.479,"text":"我們有關於上個月的時候本席有質詢請教您說我們現在新任的公視的董事因為延宕了一年多我相信您也很急然後上一次有講說只差一個人對不對"},{"start":4546.36,"end":4565.192,"text":"然後現在這一個人是已經確定了邮補期了是嗎是 就是我們昨天已經開了一個評審委員的預備會議那通常開預備會議就表示任何時候都可以開評審會了那在要開評審會之前我們一定要把這個名單交給評審委員"},{"start":4567.473,"end":4581.582,"text":"我理解所以我們現在上個月您說的這一個人現在是把他補齊了嗎那本席就很好奇了就說如果我們已經把他補齊了當然因為召委是這個12月2號的時候把這個議程排出來了那我看你們4號就啟動了這個所謂的這個9號要開預備會議我覺得"},{"start":4587.806,"end":4601.678,"text":"滿呼應召委在這個二號排案之後呢你們就趕快來做這個預備會議但是呢今天聽到也有好消息是說人選出來了不過這個人選既然已經出來了我們延宕一年多了那為什麼還不趕快公佈呢"},{"start":4603.024,"end":4622.054,"text":"公布的話按照規定要先給評審委員先拿到之後我們就公布所以他們還沒拿到還沒拿到那你這個人選什麼時候出來的其實我心裡很急因為我很想公布不然我會背負著一直不公布名單的壓力你可以說沒有關係啊名單我不能說啊名單不能說那你什麼時候有這個名單的"},{"start":4624.415,"end":4633.228,"text":"我什麼時候有這個名單啊我有這個名單已經一年左右了不是不是我說你現在補齊了嘛什麼時候補齊哪一天補齊的什麼時候補齊就是其實我跟你講句實話難道在這要講假話嗎"},{"start":4641.297,"end":4655.746,"text":"我隨時要補齊 隨時就要退出你知道我是很難嗎 就是不是啦 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董事長我想我們公視新任董事的提名作業已經延宕一年多了今天當然有這個算一半的好消息但是你看我們大家擔心到什麼程度就連現任的公視董事會都在11月21號決議要發函給行政院希望行政院要加速進行公視基金會董監事換屆改組的一個作業那董事長請教您一下我們現在發函給行政院之後行政院有回覆嗎"},{"start":4779.364,"end":4794.412,"text":"行政院已經收到我們的函件還沒有收到正式的回覆所以你看我們11月給他現在也已經就是12月多了那我們被行政院已讀不回你會不會覺得沒有被尊重啊"},{"start":4795.835,"end":4810.097,"text":"行政院有聯繫說他們收到以後他們說已經跟文化部只是還沒有回覆沒有正式的書面回覆那他有口頭跟你回覆不是跟我 他是跟我們的秘書室所以有口頭回覆"},{"start":4811.756,"end":4833.977,"text":"我想应该可能会有个书面吧但我们还没说到好了 我跟你讲那个部长还有这个董长我觉得我们在问这个过程当中我觉得你可能有百般的无奈那这个行政院已读不回也好然后我们终于延长这么久我知道你们急但急是心情上但我觉得事实上作业要再快一点那接下来我想请教一下董长"},{"start":4834.717,"end":4851.09,"text":"我们在第七届董事会的任期原本到今年的5月3日一码我们看到公示的官网上也放上第七届董事三年的成果报告我想请教一下胡董事长您对您自己的董事会过去的成绩公广集团的团队您是满意的吗"},{"start":4852.533,"end":4877.33,"text":"我非常感謝所有董監事在我們定定的三年目標跟策略方針上努力做給自己團隊打幾分我想我們不應該自己打成績應該交給全民來打我說你幫他們打成績耶你自己的團隊你給你的團隊打我的責任應該是最大所以恐怕也不好幫所以你也沒辦法肯定他們沒辦法打個好成績給他們我剛才已經講非常感謝他們在這一段時間所以只有感謝沒有肯定是不是"},{"start":4878.691,"end":4893.86,"text":"委員當然不是這個意思董事長 底下人那麼辛苦該肯定就要肯定了來 這邊有一份我們看到我們為了要評估公廣集團所屬的這些單位是不是有旅行公共價值包括像公視 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我們也都在專案的檢討這個部分我們需要努力最後再請趙薇兩分鐘我想部長一樣問一下華氏華氏您過去認為這個華氏定位在不公不明解決的方式公管集團要買回我們華氏的民股但是你看我們已經累計虧損了35億多了我也調閱了華氏近五年的決算我在這裡再請教一次這個部長您認為導致華氏年年虧損的最大原因是什麼"},{"start":5154.707,"end":5183.621,"text":"我覺得導致華視年年虧損的最大原因就是在單書把華視捐給公廣集團的時候它沒有配套而且做了一個非常對華視不利的決定就是它必須要自負盈虧可是它又要有公共廣播集團的品質好 沒有錯所以我想布達你上列一年半的時間了你對華視其實最了解現在民股購回的進度是什麼"},{"start":5184.588,"end":5212.723,"text":"民股目前我們總共16.76%但是願意賣的只有剛好三個大的那個公司大概只佔10.06%還有99位股東沒有表達要賣那對於我們文化部來講我們沒有權利叫他賣所以這個是第一個問題就是他並沒有全部都要賣第二個要買回的話要編列一筆很大的預算必須要立法院跟行政院支持我們買回"},{"start":5214.244,"end":5229.409,"text":"就這樣目前就遇到這個問題所以部長我這樣聽起來啦其實這個問題我們從上一屆討論到現在一模一樣的答案一模一樣所以這個問題是不是再往後多少年還是一樣焦灼在這個地方其實每年你覺得有解決的辦法嗎我覺得喔有解決辦法嗎"},{"start":5233.753,"end":5252.782,"text":"我必須講一句實話二十年前我在接華視總經理的時候我就覺得這是一個非常錯誤的決定因為當時我必須跟銀行借了七八億來給每一個員工全部先提前拿到退休金所有的設計都是導致這個華視一步一步走向"},{"start":5253.382,"end":5269.654,"text":"根本賺不回錢的狀況所以能解決嗎 你看中間華氏董事會幾次的開會想要活化資產可是活化資產本身涉及到非常多利益馬上就會得到大家說你是要圖利誰圖利誰"},{"start":5271.738,"end":5290.256,"text":"屡次的提出各种方案都在原地打转那现在你问我的话我很想试试看有各种方式比如说我们想民股买回买回之后我们可不可以处理这个活化资产但这些都不是我们文化部可以解决因为它是一个董事会来决定的"},{"start":5290.916,"end":5316.597,"text":"所以您刚刚问我的问题我想最后这样子这个问题大家还是要去想想办法否则十年二十年后还是在这个地方那亏还是亏更多但是是不是要活化那应该怎么做那我们公司的董事及华氏的董事会已经进入实质的这个看守期了那我在想是不是新任的董事出来以后呢我们再来看看这个应该怎么做那也列为新任的董事的这个工作上一个重点项目这样好不好"},{"start":5317.345,"end":5332.054,"text":"非常好因為我也其實蠻期待一個新任的董事會成立之後面對我們整個公管集團每一個單位他都各自有一些要突破的東西我非常期待新任的董監事趕快成立非常好就大家一起加油是謝謝好謝謝萬美玲委員"},{"start":5336.397,"end":5354.864,"text":"部長請回座那就可以看出來說是我們真的期待新的董事會要趕快成立要加速好現在請郭育晴委員質詢謝謝主席有請部長請部長郭育晴你好"},{"start":5362.962,"end":5383.467,"text":"部長早安我想這個公廣應該是屬於全民以服務公眾應該是唯一的一個宗旨在商業媒體在追求收視跟一些所謂的廣告利潤的同時其實我們應該要更兼顧所謂的多元跟節目上的一個品質來做一個跟商業的區別或者是一些多元的一些制衡"},{"start":5384.728,"end":5403.608,"text":"但是這個以現階段其實以我最關心的動保為例我想這一整個大概這一兩個月或者是這一兩週其實動保的事件或者是虐貓虐狗的事件或者是苗栗的人人犬社的一個事件這樣子的一個虐貓虐狗的事件頻傳"},{"start":5404.609,"end":5433.124,"text":"但是在我的觀察之下這個公廣跟這些所謂的公媒的專題的報導這個數量感覺上明顯偏低了已經被這個網媒跟一些民間來領先了那我想這個公廣的一個任務應該是說我們要針對這個社會的痛點來做一些深入的一個報導是不是可以針對所謂的像居住 弱勢 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NHK都強化短影音社群的敘事記者個人品牌化的媒體讓國際的議題能夠更淺顯易懂更可以被分享的形式"},{"start":8490.086,"end":8509.739,"text":"來達到年輕世代他們能夠看到的平台所以我們現在這個部分的完整策略很少看到也希望不管是文化部還有今天胡董事長各個公廣的一些我們相關的策略應該要抵定董事長我講完這些策略跟這些目的您覺得呢"},{"start":8510.563,"end":8536.715,"text":"是 我們相當認同因為在整個未來的傳播生態裡面就是如何要運用包括AI轉型在內讓更多的年輕世代能夠接觸到公共服務的內容這個就是我們現在整體在進行而且有一套戰略的思想在後面做一個支持好 今天主席站起來我是希望說董事長你可不可以對於短語音社群敘事跟新聞創作者的新形態內容"},{"start":8538.513,"end":8564.508,"text":"能夠提出一個更具體的一個做法會後能不能在一個月內提供資料給我好 公廣計劃的部分沒有問題因為我目前真的很擔憂所以現行的做法給我未來的做法 精進的做法也給我因為我目前看不到能夠有更具體的一個做法所以這部分一個提醒也請你精進以後把資料給我 可以嗎沒有問題好 謝謝謝謝羅廷維委員董事長請回座"},{"start":8574.079,"end":8591.311,"text":"請謝龍介委員質詢主席 我請補充議員部長委員你好補充 我說萬能路有問題"},{"start":8605.047,"end":8620.732,"text":"我聽得懂,但是我不一定的,你說不沒關係?不簡單喔,如果說到事不宅宜,你可以隨時給我通知,我計劃不怕有來跟你對話。你真的說不沒關係?不然的話,我身為中華民國國民,請問你呢?"},{"start":8632.506,"end":8644.054,"text":"也是跟你一樣一樣喔那你是不是中國人你講到這個我是台灣人你是台灣人是啊你是中華民國的國民你變台灣人那現在說什麼人一個認同啦我是台灣人啊中華民國國籍啊台灣人是一個靈動靈動啊我是台灣人我是台南人"},{"start":8661.804,"end":8683.354,"text":"中華民國不是叫做中國 不會叫什麼國因為有一個全世界的中國就是中華人民共和國所以你們就是自己跳進那個陷阱要勇敢表達中華民國的資金中華民國從1911年到今天還有12個國家勝利我們是資金獨立的國家"},{"start":8690.646,"end":8704.355,"text":"台灣國沒有本人的聲音所以不需要用這個錯誤的概念要勇敢 你可以說你台灣人你為什麼不敢說你中國人中華民國 你娘是中華民國的親戚你做的是中華民國的文化部長但是我們的優勢 我們的競爭力就是因為中華制度不敢"},{"start":8718.444,"end":8747.484,"text":"他們的制度跟我們的制度完全不一樣 對不對所以要怎麼去追求和平 撇免戰爭就是大家可以競爭 也不要戰爭制度的競爭 我們的制度比他更好啊我們這樣認定 我們要去跟他競爭啊讓大家了解啊 你不是 都在想一直想 想到不行 他們更好 我們更壞你自己做事情 沒必要"},{"start":8749.295,"end":8772.842,"text":"中華民國是一個民主化,充分民主化,所以有100%的自由,是不是?是啊!對不對?這是我們的優勢啊!是啊!我們的年輕人,尊重自由,所以我們的年輕人很有創意啊!所以我們的年輕人、病人的年輕人,有超越他們的所在啊!"},{"start":8774.266,"end":8784.516,"text":"有他們的優點,我們有我們的優點,為什麼我們年輕人不可以跟年輕人競爭?要勇敢去競爭,不是小康小胖要製造戰爭嘛。台灣中華民國一樣,我們有我們的優點,為什麼中華民國不可以跟我們說?開水合作都台灣,台灣你比我還要愛台灣。"},{"start":8798.592,"end":8808.175,"text":"我們小時候是不應該講台灣這兩年不知道你有記憶嗎沒有啦小時候怎麼不可以講台灣我們做小時候的事情都不應該講台灣電視公佈都不應該講台灣不是不可以講台灣那是以前特殊在講做報紙做到買了戒嚴時代都不應該講台灣我們住在台灣我們是台灣人不應該講台灣這是什麼事情"},{"start":8826.081,"end":8834.845,"text":"現在開始可以說了,但是問題是…我從小就一直說,有時候叫法國國會比較痛,不是不能說,有時候可以說,但是不需要用政治,所以過去叫做白色恐怖,過去叫做威權,你現在說比威權更威權,現在不能說中華民國,沒必要啦。"},{"start":8853.345,"end":8858.969,"text":"我們的優勢要提出,包括你的公共電視,對著社會要富裕、教育的義務和責任,不能隨波逐流,整天要做什麼,當然你很辛苦在經營。"},{"start":8874.332,"end":8901.055,"text":"台灣跟日本來做一個比較 災難跟經費完全都不能消避 自主性當然會降低那麼自主性降低呢 公共電視會富有社會教育極端的責任這點呢 我希望說 不需要去追究什麼的 這沒法啦 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是但是我想說在文化部本部這部分我們是不是也可以多一點支持在公司的部分其實我們有盡量"},{"start":12447.654,"end":12462.726,"text":"想辦法支持他們很多計畫但是我覺得總預算把它升高總預算當然是要增加總預算升高是一個關鍵對 所以我想我不曉得部長就是說因為現在預算都還沒有進來省你會不會擔心說那接下來我們可能有一些新興的"},{"start":12464.315,"end":12484.211,"text":"不管是工作啦公廣集團這邊會不會受到影響你這邊會不會有這樣子的擔心呢會 其實我覺得我每次看到他們手上有好多那個IP可以拍都是因為卡在預算不夠我真的非常著急因為就是你給他錢他都不太夠的情況下如果你在砍預算的話他根本不曉得怎麼辦"},{"start":12484.932,"end":12505.814,"text":"因為一年拍不到一兩部戲劇這樣沒錯 是的 是的所以我想這邊也是呼籲我們的在野黨的立委啦大家都很在乎我們的文化要輸出不管你輸出到哪個國家重點整個國際的資本是這麼的雄厚那我們就應該要盡速的來去做支持的這件事情而不是惡意的去做相關不重要的一些刪除這樣子"},{"start":12506.394,"end":12532.601,"text":"好 那再來下一個問題就會回到台灣Plus那台灣Plus呢就是當年我們的公共定位其實是要面向世界跟世界敘述台灣那剛剛也有提到說我們的預算刪除之後我們跟國際的合作就必須喊卡但是在這個部分之前呢我想要再討論一個不管是監察院報告大家都有提出來我們的敘事觀點不夠台灣我想這個是非常非常重要的一件事情就像我們之前有一部紀錄片叫做台灣 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謝謝所以我們聽起來就是說口音不是一個負面排除條件了嘛對不對好 那在下一個我最後很快的問一下央廣後台的安全度可不可以請一下央廣"},{"start":12704.008,"end":12729.729,"text":"好 我想前面的許多委員都已經非常關心了我們陽廣的這次的事件那剛剛也有說明現在已經是最高等級也都已經通過了許多的一些這個測試啦那我想問一下就是說因為其實我自己在看的時候呢當然我們現在已經做了一些機制然後剛剛有聽到說你們有一些SOP但是我想可能有一些是特意透過系統的建置上面因為這次是內控那怎麼會"},{"start":12731.57,"end":12752.617,"text":"就是說我們會入局到什麼樣的人太難以去判斷可是其實有很多的系統包含我自己看不管是我們國家的許多的政府單位他其實都有建置一個像這樣子的系統就是如果偵測到異動的時候可以即刻主動復原或者是說即時進行通報來掌握系統的更動我想了解一下我們目前在針對這個部分是不是已經有做到了"},{"start":12753.217,"end":12781.651,"text":"我們現在正在加強中跟委員報告但是老實說其實要更新這些系統需要一些新的設備然後我們央廣在過去在這方面的資安的預算其實現在因為提升所以是要再加強所以我們這個部分是要一步一步的進行但是我們現在已經開始已經執行的包括零信任的管理然後另外還有就是"},{"start":12782.811,"end":12806.496,"text":"同仁要求定期的更新密碼還有我們現在在錄取同仁的部分會再加強做背景的查核這個是都已經在執行的我想就是說因為畢竟我們這個是一級我們現在是像是A一級關鍵基礎設施然後現在也是A級對沒錯那我想我們是不是可以在今年因為其實這個東西沒有辦法去等"},{"start":12807.256,"end":12821.822,"text":"如果我們有這樣子的系統的話我們就可以隨時的去避免這樣子的狀況就可以避免我們這個人認為的一個因素所以這個部分是不是在今年的預算上面也可以來去怎麼樣去反映來更新呢"},{"start":12822.242,"end":12843.173,"text":"因為現在預算還在審查當中但是你在編列的時候我們非常期待在能夠有這樣的預算但是這個你也知道陽廣是一個20個語言的廣播電台所以這個系統應該是有點龐雜所以我們非常希望這個預算如果我們自己不足的話希望也能夠得到行政院文化部"},{"start":12844.134,"end":12860.409,"text":"或者是所以你聽起來就是說我們會去盤點然後我們會去看多少的預算我們會去爭取嗎我們會去爭取好 我說要去爭取畢竟它是我們也對 因為它會代表的可能是非常敏感的一個議題是謝謝好 謝謝好 謝謝張雅玲委員執行那官員請回座"},{"start":12870.762,"end":12892.052,"text":"好 現在請林一錦委員質詢謝謝主席有請胡元輝董事長跟胡婉玲社長因為涉及到媒體獨立的事務我就不請李部長上台了請胡董事長跟胡社長"},{"start":12899.687,"end":12916.145,"text":"我想首先謝謝昭緯安排這場巡導不過首先我有兩點的提醒第一個是現在其實是預算會期而且已經年底了所以要請藍白不要再擋預算了趕快讓我們實質監督那第二是本席還是要強調"},{"start":12916.926,"end":12939.052,"text":"立委對於公共媒體的監督當然是天經地義可是如果立委對於公共媒體的獨立運作當然也是要絕對的尊重那絕對的尊重這件事情也是天經地義那我覺得如何拿捏那個必據原則就是讓我們既合作監督又不至於把政治那個手"},{"start":12941.012,"end":12965.674,"text":"過度介入公共媒體我覺得這也是全體委員必須要好好思考的事情那談到什麼是媒體營運的績效綜合胡董事長跟胡社長你們豐富的經歷我相信你們都比我更清楚公共媒體他這個跟商業媒體的績效不能混為一談那比起商業利益其實公共媒體身上"},{"start":12966.814,"end":12989.285,"text":"應該還有更重要的公共責任必須要被落實接下來我們就來探討公共媒體的公共責任先請教胡婉林社長您看我現在秀我在PPT上的這是1946年美國時代雜誌的報導它其實為我們做了非常重要的見證"},{"start":12990.646,"end":13005.232,"text":"整篇報導寫的都是當時中華民國佔領下了台灣中華民國那時候來台灣不到一年台灣人就完全幻滅然後抗議腐敗暴政的這個標語遍佈全台還有飢餓的人民燒毀糖產的倉庫"},{"start":13008.474,"end":13027.131,"text":"報導內容是這樣那這篇報導內容其實很精彩喔可是這個不是今天的重點而是1946年這個沒有網路新聞的年代人家時代雜誌可以把報導整理到網路平台去讓現代化的界面可以去查查到"},{"start":13028.272,"end":13056.399,"text":"這樣的一個新聞報導所以我想要請教說跟時代雜誌一樣都在1920年代前期創立的中央社那作為公共媒體為什麼它的公共性就輸了大家就是說我們中央社在網路上只公開近10年的新聞那明明最早就有數月化保存到1929年2月20號的稿子那為什麼要國人付費才可以瀏覽 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