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罵才會成長。要讓民眾瞭解現在的狀況還有水的流向，淹水的第一時間才會知道它的流向和水的狀態，那是第一時間的經驗，民眾的罵聲則是給你第二個經驗，因為從昨天淹到現在，他們很清楚整個狀況。所以我認為這都是我們這幾天所看到的嚴重的狀態，而且是必須要做的。","昨天賴總統說會全力支持，我也希望真的在現階段，我們臺南亟需處理到位，不要因為別人、不要因為政治立場不一樣，或是因為現在開始要選舉了，有一些政治口水。我們前面已經看到成果了，我必須說，如果沒有前面做的那些，臺南會淹得更嚴重、面積更大，然後再加上前階段，我也在這邊講過，就是6月份安南區那次淹水很嚴重，我們已經有編入預算了。水利署的預算，然後所有都編入了，所以我們現在是準備要怎麼把它趕快到位，等這個汛期過了，我們趕快做，而且不能停，如何在明年汛期之前讓大家看到一些成效，這是我們要做的，也是我們要對人民許下的承諾。","所以我利用今天質詢的機會來說明，這幾天我們都在地方，看到那麼多淹水的狀況，雖然整個淹水面積比過去的八八風災減少非常、非常多，我必須這麼說，可是看到民眾遭受淹水之苦，我們心裡就很難過，最好是能讓民眾居住安心，聽到雨聲不用煩惱。連續三天，我們晚上都無法入眠，聽到雨聲，我們就開始跟水利署還有次長聯絡，次長說我好像是鬧鐘，一聽到我打電話，就知道我們臺南又有什麼地方大淹水了。我比氣象預報還準，我禮拜一當天凌晨5點打給他，那時剛好整個滿潮，而且是最嚴重的時候，所以他下午就來看了。","針對這個部分，我們希望中央、地方大家團結一心，在這個時候不要政治口水，要心比心，當我們在地方涉水而行的時候，可能你們的口水會比淹水還更毒舌。所以我們希望能夠儘快。我現在擔心的是，因為這些毒舌，讓你們不敢再把錢給我們。所以我今天拜託次長，雖然你管的是中小企業，但是我覺得經濟部是一體的、水利署是一體的，我們水利署同仁也在，希望能聽到我們這個部分的聲音，我也會把這個簡報資料提供給次長，而且要拜託你，我們真的很擔心會因為一些口水而忘記治水。謝謝。"],["何次長晉滄：謝謝委員，我們絕對會跟南部幾個縣市的水利單位一起提出治水因應計畫，這一次幾天下來，下了一千多公釐雨量，我想不管是下在哪個城市，大家都受不了，也謝謝委員提醒我們幾個臺南市大概的淹水熱區，這次我們賴次長也到現場去看過了，我們絕對會跟地方政府一起討論怎樣把這樣一個淹水治理的工作做好。以上，謝謝。"],["陳委員亭妃：這幾個點都是我們非常確定的，從這裡做下去，就一定會有效果，所以要拜託，但預算還是最重要，這個部分再麻煩，謝謝。"],["何次長晉滄：是，謝謝委員。"],["主席（鍾委員佳濱代）：謝謝陳委員，謝謝次長。","接下來有請洪召委質詢。"]],"agenda":{"agendarec_url":null,"pdf_url":null,"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期經濟委員會第27次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請經濟部部長、國家發展委員會主任委員、財政部首長、金融監督管理委員會首長、財團法人\n中小企業信用保證基金首長、國家科學及技術委員會首長就「中小微新企業發展困境、政策需求\n及政府資源配置與執行成效」進行報告，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1157601_00001","doc_url":null,"page_end":60,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-19-27","speakers":["洪毓祥","陳亭妃","鍾佳濱","楊瓊瓔","呂玉玲","鄭天財Sra 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