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男學生的短褲較為寬鬆、長度接近膝蓋，判決書上是寫社會通念上不會引起性慾或羞恥，所以改判妨害秘密罪。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:37:57+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:38:07.769231+08:00","text":"妨害秘密罪事實上可以易科罰金，雖然兩個都是處三年以下有期徒刑，可是妨害秘密罪可以判拘役或三十萬以下罰金。","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:38:11+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:38:21.750000+08:00","text":"刑法上對於性影像的定義為「客觀上足以引起性慾或羞恥」，這個要件如果落在第一線、實務上究竟是如何認定的？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:38:22.461538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:38:27.625000+08:00","text":"剛剛講這兩案的判決非常不同。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃法官湘瑩","start":"2026-08-26T09:38:31+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:38:34.636364+08:00","text":"謝謝委員提供相關資訊。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃法官湘瑩","start":"2026-08-26T09:38:35.380952+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:39:20.785714+08:00","text":"確實我們在實務上認定關於偷拍部分，目前最高法院也有一些相關見解可供實務界參考，當然最主要我們是針對客觀上來講，就是針對一般人、針對他這樣的舉動是否有構成，在實務上認為這部分可能已經涉及到會引起性慾，就是關於性隱私有被侵犯到，那我們就會比較傾向性影像這部分的涵攝會比較容易構成，主要是指客觀上的；相對來講就是主觀上，有可能比較是跟行為人主觀上的認知以及跟一般人區別。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"黃法官湘瑩","start":"2026-08-26T09:39:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:39:32.875000+08:00","text":"之所以個案上會有不同，可能就要看個案上呈現的情形，因為這件的話剛好被害人是不同的性別，可能會聯想到……","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:39:33.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:39:34.333333+08:00","text":"你們是不是也有性別……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"黃法官湘瑩","start":"2026-08-26T09:39:35+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:39:35.428571+08:00","text":"對，也許會引起……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:39:36.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:39:40.733333+08:00","text":"多大程度會受到法官本身性別偏見的影響？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:39:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:39:51.733333+08:00","text":"如果因為性別不同，可是我被偷拍，如果今天是一個女性，他被偷拍大腿內側，就覺得會引起性慾或羞恥嗎？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:39:52+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:39:54.769231+08:00","text":"可是男性的大腿內側就不會嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:39:55+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:39:58.578947+08:00","text":"你們有注意到個案間法律認定的落差？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:39:59.444444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:40:03.800000+08:00","text":"如果以法官剛剛講的，這是因為性別的關係，真的讓我覺得蠻驚訝。","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:40:04.461538+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:40:21.833333+08:00","text":"我認為判斷是不是性影像，不應該只看最後拍出來的照片夠不夠猥褻，而是要看當下的偷拍行為，包括拍哪裡、從什麼角度拍、為什麼要伸進衣物裡面去拍，以及整個行為是否侵害到被害人的性隱私。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:40:22.882353+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:40:31.818182+08:00","text":"可不可以請司法院跟法務部等相關單位共同研擬，建立更具體的實務判斷標準，以提供第一線的人員參考？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"黃法官湘瑩","start":"2026-08-26T09:40:32+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:40:53.888889+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員指教，可能剛剛我沒有講清楚，其實目前我們實務上也會針對這個標準要求，就如同剛才委員講的，我們當然要看犯罪行為人在當下的犯罪情節，是不是已經有涉及到被害人的隱私部位，當然不會區分被害人是男或是女，只是剛好這個個案會做這兩方的比較，看起來似乎是跟性別有關係。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:40:54.444444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:40:57.666667+08:00","text":"關於性騷擾，只要當事人、被害人覺得不舒服就可以……是、是。","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:40:58+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:41:09+08:00","text":"只是現在有兩個判決，一個沒有成功，一個成功，但都是伸到人家下方去做這樣的拍攝，怎麼認定有這麼大的落差？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:41:11.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:41:11.800000+08:00","text":"謝謝法官。謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:41:12.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:41:13.800000+08:00","text":"接下來請警政署莊科長。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-26T09:41:14+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:41:17.428571+08:00","text":"請警政署莊科長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊科長明雄","start":"2026-08-26T09:41:17.428571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T09:41:18.428571+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:41:18+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:41:18.666667+08:00","text":"科長好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:41:20.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:41:35.750000+08:00","text":"想請教，兒少性剝削相關案件有性影像專責小隊處理，如果被害人是成年男性，遭到偷拍或性影像外流，這類案件通常會交由哪個單位處理？","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"莊科長明雄","start":"2026-08-26T09:41:36+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:41:40.846154+08:00","text":"我們的部分，基本上是回歸一般的刑案或者是專責單位，都有在處理。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:41:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:42:08.500000+08:00","text":"可是我過去曾協助多位遭裸聊詐騙的男性性影像受害者，根據我的了解，實務上成年男性案件可能會像你剛剛講的，被分到一般刑事偵查隊，可是問題來了，案件由一般刑事偵查隊承辦，可是被害人的代號跟性影像案件的系統權限，卻可能還要透過婦幼單位處理，我覺得會權責不清。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:42:10.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:42:17.785714+08:00","text":"我想請教目前警政署對於數位性暴力案件，第一線員警的績效是怎麼計算的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:42:18+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:42:19.750000+08:00","text":"哪些工作會被納入？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊科長明雄","start":"2026-08-26T09:42:20+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:42:37.727273+08:00","text":"我先回答委員，第一個，我們會單獨由專責小組上傳，是因為怕有些規定跟操作不熟悉，而且我們上傳影像都要認證，要符合司法聯盟鏈認證才能上傳，不是任何一個員警都能上傳，這也是確保那些影像不要被外洩。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"莊科長明雄","start":"2026-08-26T09:42:38.142857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:42:57.785714+08:00","text":"第二個，你提到偵辦的部分，我們以前也辦過類似的案件，就是地方受理完之後，如果遇到一些科技困境比較高的，會由中央單位如偵九大隊、電偵大隊處理，所以原則上，處理案件跟影像上傳兩個不一樣。","quality":0.89},{"speaker":"莊科長明雄","start":"2026-08-26T09:42:58.187500+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:43:09.571429+08:00","text":"至於獎勵規定，其實去年6月14號我們署的防治組也已經訂了獎勵規定，都有一定的級距，包含多少被害人、多少嫌犯，最高還可以專案敘獎到大功。","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:43:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:43:11.750000+08:00","text":"我為什麼要這樣問？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:43:12+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:43:40.777778+08:00","text":"因為據我所知，現在警方績效的採計，往往是以實際完成警詢筆錄人數計算為標準，這樣的制度設計完全沒有考量到性暴力受害者因為羞恥、害怕或受制於社會眼光而不願現身接受調查的特性，可是對我們來說，性影像很重要的是要能夠趕快下架，不要讓性影像再擴散。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:43:41.352941+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:43:52.705882+08:00","text":"因此，如果這樣做的話，就會形成惡性循環，讓員警缺乏誘因去協助那些越難完成的筆錄，也是越需要花時間陪伴、辯護的弱勢被害人。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:43:53.307692+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:43:57.750000+08:00","text":"我覺得性影像犯罪的處理不能只看抓到多少人、做了多少筆錄。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:43:58.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:44:05.800000+08:00","text":"對被害人來講，真的更重要的是能不能趕快下架、阻止擴散，降低對未來生活的影響。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:44:06.789474+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:44:13.800000+08:00","text":"請問警政署對於員警的績效認定，有沒有針對不同類型案件進行設計？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:44:14+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:44:18.400000+08:00","text":"可否將員警投入大量心力的被害人保護工作也納入評量？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:44:19+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:44:31.777778+08:00","text":"我記得臺北市上次會破獲創意私房，是因為一對姐妹去報案，妹妹是受害人，可是他堅決不要去做，而姐姐一直認為他是受害的狀態，所以就花了很長的時間。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:44:32+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:44:46.800000+08:00","text":"如果只是以筆錄能不能完成作為基準的話，我認為不切實際，因為一個員警花了這麼長的時間，最後勸說好久妹妹才願意去進行報案的動作。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:44:48.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:44:55.777778+08:00","text":"你們有沒有針對不同案件進行設計，還是通體都一樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊科長明雄","start":"2026-08-26T09:44:56+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:45:03.833333+08:00","text":"我們其實要看個案的構成要件，如果今天這個案子不需要被害人發動，事實上我們透過一個檢舉信就可以發動了。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"莊科長明雄","start":"2026-08-26T09:45:04+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:45:09.857143+08:00","text":"事實上，就我了解，刑事局發動類似創意私房的案子，並不是依照被害人筆錄來發動，他可能有很多檢舉……","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:45:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:45:18.823529+08:00","text":"對，我是舉那個例子，可是實際上當初報案是因為他的案子在調查的時候才被發現，我看他連要進行報案都有點困難。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"莊科長明雄","start":"2026-08-26T09:45:19+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:45:27.272727+08:00","text":"這個我們可能要了解一下配套，基本上我們的每個同仁每年都有定期訓練，這部分我們也會加強。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:45:28.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:45:41.750000+08:00","text":"回去就這個部分給我一份報告，因為我覺得這件事情滿重要的，甚至我剛才講，如果是成年女性，不知道你們會是在婦幼，還是在一般刑事偵查。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"莊科長明雄","start":"2026-08-26T09:45:42.421053+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:45:48.842105+08:00","text":"基本上，我們婦幼都有所謂的少年隊，沒有分男女，只要符合這個法規的對象，我們都會偵辦。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:45:49+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:45:50.818182+08:00","text":"都會是在一般偵查嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊科長明雄","start":"2026-08-26T09:45:51.428571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:45:56.833333+08:00","text":"不見得，就是看他在哪裡報案，由我們專責單位再去把案子併案做處理。","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:45:57+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:46:05.818182+08:00","text":"好，麻煩再把我剛剛提的，提供報告給我，就是未來能不能做不同類型的考量、設計？","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"莊科長明雄","start":"2026-08-26T09:46:06+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:46:06.857143+08:00","text":"是，我們納入考量。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:46:07+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:46:07.666667+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊科長明雄","start":"2026-08-26T09:46:07.666667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T09:46:08.666667+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:46:08+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:46:11.555556+08:00","text":"接下來請衛福部次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-26T09:46:12+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:46:12.666667+08:00","text":"請次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:46:13+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:46:24.846154+08:00","text":"今天如果一個熱心的民眾在網路上看到明顯是偷拍，未經同意外流的成人性影像，透過性影像處理中心報案、通報，請問你們第一時間會怎麼處理？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:46:25+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:46:30.800000+08:00","text":"會先收案保存這個線索，還是一定會先找到被害人，由本人申訴才會處理？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T09:46:31+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:46:33.823529+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們目前大概有兩個機制。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T09:46:34+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:46:37.750000+08:00","text":"第一個，如果是非告訴乃論的話，就不需本人申訴。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T09:46:38.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:46:49.500000+08:00","text":"另外還有一個問題就是，我們必須要確認當事人本身的意願問題，因為這裡面如果他的簽署是屬於自願性的話，我們……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:46:50+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:47:16.666667+08:00","text":"次長，你這樣回答……因為現在的問題是民眾還沒有提供網址、截圖、申報表，就會先要求申訴人判斷案件是成人或是兒少、是本人還是第三人、當事人有沒有授權，可是如果選了非兒少、非本人、未獲授權，甚至可能連事證都還沒有留下，就沒有辦法繼續通報，可是我一直在講，最重要的是影像要趕快下架、趕快下架，不要讓受害人的影像擴散！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T09:47:16.666667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T09:47:17.666667+08:00","text":"對，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:47:17+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:47:36.800000+08:00","text":"所以我想問的是，面對一個可能正在快速擴散的違法影像，我覺得我們第一步不應該只是急著確認被害人身分，而是要先對性影像做出預防性處理，避免日後造成當事人更大的傷害，就是不要再讓它擴散下去。了解。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:47:37+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:47:47.714286+08:00","text":"尤其我覺得衛福部這次預告修法，把更多數位的性暴力業務納入性影像處理中心，那是不是先從行政流程開始改善？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:47:48+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:47:55.750000+08:00","text":"而不是說你的表單裡面一定要去確認這幾個要項，要兒少、要本人，還要問有沒有獲得授權。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T09:47:55.750000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T09:47:56.750000+08:00","text":"我了解。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:47:56+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:48:04.692308+08:00","text":"如果我是路人甲，我看到這個東西，我不知道是哪一個受害的女性，但我希望它能趕快下架、趕快阻斷。","quality":0.805},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:48:05+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:48:18.812500+08:00","text":"所以讓通報先進來，專業判斷往後移，讓被害人或者是協助我們進行性影像防治的熱心民眾，不需要在個別系統當中疲於奔命，我希望你們應該要去處理這一塊。好。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:48:19+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:48:32.750000+08:00","text":"再來，我也收到幾位未成年受害者的陳情，被害人因為擔心性影像事件在校園曝光，希望不要在校內諮商，可是卻被社工要求要先走校內輔導，最後只能自費尋求校外協助。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:48:33+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:48:37.785714+08:00","text":"本來政府就應該要去協助他，怎麼會變成一定要先校內輔導？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:48:38.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:48:38.900000+08:00","text":"他就不希望讓別人知道啊！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:48:39+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:48:42.764706+08:00","text":"而且校內輔導更會讓同學們或是師長們知道。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:48:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:48:48.714286+08:00","text":"所以想請教，現行針對未成年性影像受害者的輔導流程到底是怎麼樣？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:48:49+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:48:53.750000+08:00","text":"有沒有要求第一線社工優先轉介校內諮商資源？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:48:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:48:56.850000+08:00","text":"如果沒硬性要求，第一線為什麼會出現這樣的失誤？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:48:57+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:48:59.850000+08:00","text":"是不是學生沒有相對應的心理輔導資源可以用？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T09:49:00.571429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:49:06.333333+08:00","text":"我想確實誠如委員所說的，一般如果是發生在校內的話，我們總是要隔絕嘛。","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:49:09.176471+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:49:11.823529+08:00","text":"對啊，要走校內流程，但他真的就會擔心讓人家知道啊！","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T09:49:12+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:49:23.758621+08:00","text":"我們會遵照辦理，儘量以這個原則，但是委員您自己也是社工出身，其實我們也會跟社工討論評估處遇的方式。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:49:24.083333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:49:42.785714+08:00","text":"次長，我真的覺得你們要檢討，因為無論是前端的通報、後續的下架或被害人的心理支持，都應該重新檢討你們現行的制度有沒有不必要的程序門檻，阻斷了我們對受害人的最佳保障，這個我真的很難以接受。了解。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:49:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:49:50.750000+08:00","text":"前面談的是性影像發生後的處理，可是兒少性剝削的案子持續攀升，前端的預防同樣重要。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-08-26T09:49:52.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T09:49:54.800000+08:00","text":"不好意思，我接下來要請教育部。","quality":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法院也有一些相關見解可供實務界參考，當然最主要我們是針對客觀上來講，就是針對一般人、針對他這樣的舉動是否有構成，在實務上認為這部分可能已經涉及到會引起性慾，就是關於性隱私有被侵犯到，那我們就會比較傾向性影像這部分的涵攝會比較容易構成，主要是指客觀上的；相對來講就是主觀上，有可能比較是跟行為人主觀上的認知以及跟一般人區別。之所以個案上會有不同，可能就要看個案上呈現的情形，因為這件的話剛好被害人是不同的性別，可能會聯想到……"],["林委員月琴：你們是不是也有性別……"],["黃法官湘瑩：對，也許會引起……"],["林委員月琴：多大程度會受到法官本身性別偏見的影響？如果因為性別不同，可是我被偷拍，如果今天是一個女性，他被偷拍大腿內側，就覺得會引起性慾或羞恥嗎？可是男性的大腿內側就不會嗎？你們有注意到個案間法律認定的落差？如果以法官剛剛講的，這是因為性別的關係，真的讓我覺得蠻驚訝。我認為判斷是不是性影像，不應該只看最後拍出來的照片夠不夠猥褻，而是要看當下的偷拍行為，包括拍哪裡、從什麼角度拍、為什麼要伸進衣物裡面去拍，以及整個行為是否侵害到被害人的性隱私。可不可以請司法院跟法務部等相關單位共同研擬，建立更具體的實務判斷標準，以提供第一線的人員參考？"],["黃法官湘瑩：是，謝謝委員指教，可能剛剛我沒有講清楚，其實目前我們實務上也會針對這個標準要求，就如同剛才委員講的，我們當然要看犯罪行為人在當下的犯罪情節，是不是已經有涉及到被害人的隱私部位，當然不會區分被害人是男或是女，只是剛好這個個案會做這兩方的比較，看起來似乎是跟性別有關係。"],["林委員月琴：關於性騷擾，只要當事人、被害人覺得不舒服就可以……"],["黃法官湘瑩：是、是。"],["林委員月琴：只是現在有兩個判決，一個沒有成功，一個成功，但都是伸到人家下方去做這樣的拍攝，怎麼認定有這麼大的落差？謝謝法官。"],["黃法官湘瑩：謝謝。"],["林委員月琴：接下來請警政署莊科長。"],["主席：請警政署莊科長。"],["莊科長明雄：委員好。"],["林委員月琴：科長好。想請教，兒少性剝削相關案件有性影像專責小隊處理，如果被害人是成年男性，遭到偷拍或性影像外流，這類案件通常會交由哪個單位處理？"],["莊科長明雄：我們的部分，基本上是回歸一般的刑案或者是專責單位，都有在處理。"],["林委員月琴：可是我過去曾協助多位遭裸聊詐騙的男性性影像受害者，根據我的了解，實務上成年男性案件可能會像你剛剛講的，被分到一般刑事偵查隊，可是問題來了，案件由一般刑事偵查隊承辦，可是被害人的代號跟性影像案件的系統權限，卻可能還要透過婦幼單位處理，我覺得會權責不清。我想請教目前警政署對於數位性暴力案件，第一線員警的績效是怎麼計算的？哪些工作會被納入？"],["莊科長明雄：我先回答委員，第一個，我們會單獨由專責小組上傳，是因為怕有些規定跟操作不熟悉，而且我們上傳影像都要認證，要符合司法聯盟鏈認證才能上傳，不是任何一個員警都能上傳，這也是確保那些影像不要被外洩。第二個，你提到偵辦的部分，我們以前也辦過類似的案件，就是地方受理完之後，如果遇到一些科技困境比較高的，會由中央單位如偵九大隊、電偵大隊處理，所以原則上，處理案件跟影像上傳兩個不一樣。至於獎勵規定，其實去年6月14號我們署的防治組也已經訂了獎勵規定，都有一定的級距，包含多少被害人、多少嫌犯，最高還可以專案敘獎到大功。"],["林委員月琴：我為什麼要這樣問？因為據我所知，現在警方績效的採計，往往是以實際完成警詢筆錄人數計算為標準，這樣的制度設計完全沒有考量到性暴力受害者因為羞恥、害怕或受制於社會眼光而不願現身接受調查的特性，可是對我們來說，性影像很重要的是要能夠趕快下架，不要讓性影像再擴散。因此，如果這樣做的話，就會形成惡性循環，讓員警缺乏誘因去協助那些越難完成的筆錄，也是越需要花時間陪伴、辯護的弱勢被害人。我覺得性影像犯罪的處理不能只看抓到多少人、做了多少筆錄。對被害人來講，真的更重要的是能不能趕快下架、阻止擴散，降低對未來生活的影響。請問警政署對於員警的績效認定，有沒有針對不同類型案件進行設計？可否將員警投入大量心力的被害人保護工作也納入評量？我記得臺北市上次會破獲創意私房，是因為一對姐妹去報案，妹妹是受害人，可是他堅決不要去做，而姐姐一直認為他是受害的狀態，所以就花了很長的時間。如果只是以筆錄能不能完成作為基準的話，我認為不切實際，因為一個員警花了這麼長的時間，最後勸說好久妹妹才願意去進行報案的動作。你們有沒有針對不同案件進行設計，還是通體都一樣？"],["莊科長明雄：我們其實要看個案的構成要件，如果今天這個案子不需要被害人發動，事實上我們透過一個檢舉信就可以發動了。事實上，就我了解，刑事局發動類似創意私房的案子，並不是依照被害人筆錄來發動，他可能有很多檢舉……"],["林委員月琴：對，我是舉那個例子，可是實際上當初報案是因為他的案子在調查的時候才被發現，我看他連要進行報案都有點困難。"],["莊科長明雄：這個我們可能要了解一下配套，基本上我們的每個同仁每年都有定期訓練，這部分我們也會加強。"],["林委員月琴：回去就這個部分給我一份報告，因為我覺得這件事情滿重要的，甚至我剛才講，如果是成年女性，不知道你們會是在婦幼，還是在一般刑事偵查。"],["莊科長明雄：基本上，我們婦幼都有所謂的少年隊，沒有分男女，只要符合這個法規的對象，我們都會偵辦。"],["林委員月琴：都會是在一般偵查嗎？"],["莊科長明雄：不見得，就是看他在哪裡報案，由我們專責單位再去把案子併案做處理。"],["林委員月琴：好，麻煩再把我剛剛提的，提供報告給我，就是未來能不能做不同類型的考量、設計？"],["莊科長明雄：是，我們納入考量。"],["林委員月琴：好，謝謝。"],["莊科長明雄：謝謝委員。"],["林委員月琴：接下來請衛福部次長。"],["主席：請次長。"],["林委員月琴：今天如果一個熱心的民眾在網路上看到明顯是偷拍，未經同意外流的成人性影像，透過性影像處理中心報案、通報，請問你們第一時間會怎麼處理？會先收案保存這個線索，還是一定會先找到被害人，由本人申訴才會處理？"],["呂次長建德：報告委員，我們目前大概有兩個機制。第一個，如果是非告訴乃論的話，就不需本人申訴。另外還有一個問題就是，我們必須要確認當事人本身的意願問題，因為這裡面如果他的簽署是屬於自願性的話，我們……"],["林委員月琴：次長，你這樣回答……因為現在的問題是民眾還沒有提供網址、截圖、申報表，就會先要求申訴人判斷案件是成人或是兒少、是本人還是第三人、當事人有沒有授權，可是如果選了非兒少、非本人、未獲授權，甚至可能連事證都還沒有留下，就沒有辦法繼續通報，可是我一直在講，最重要的是影像要趕快下架、趕快下架，不要讓受害人的影像擴散！"],["呂次長建德：對，沒錯。"],["林委員月琴：所以我想問的是，面對一個可能正在快速擴散的違法影像，我覺得我們第一步不應該只是急著確認被害人身分，而是要先對性影像做出預防性處理，避免日後造成當事人更大的傷害，就是不要再讓它擴散下去。"],["呂次長建德：了解。"],["林委員月琴：尤其我覺得衛福部這次預告修法，把更多數位的性暴力業務納入性影像處理中心，那是不是先從行政流程開始改善？而不是說你的表單裡面一定要去確認這幾個要項，要兒少、要本人，還要問有沒有獲得授權。"],["呂次長建德：我了解。"],["林委員月琴：如果我是路人甲，我看到這個東西，我不知道是哪一個受害的女性，但我希望它能趕快下架、趕快阻斷。所以讓通報先進來，專業判斷往後移，讓被害人或者是協助我們進行性影像防治的熱心民眾，不需要在個別系統當中疲於奔命，我希望你們應該要去處理這一塊。"],["呂次長建德：好。"],["林委員月琴：再來，我也收到幾位未成年受害者的陳情，被害人因為擔心性影像事件在校園曝光，希望不要在校內諮商，可是卻被社工要求要先走校內輔導，最後只能自費尋求校外協助。本來政府就應該要去協助他，怎麼會變成一定要先校內輔導？他就不希望讓別人知道啊！而且校內輔導更會讓同學們或是師長們知道。所以想請教，現行針對未成年性影像受害者的輔導流程到底是怎麼樣？有沒有要求第一線社工優先轉介校內諮商資源？如果沒硬性要求，第一線為什麼會出現這樣的失誤？是不是學生沒有相對應的心理輔導資源可以用？"],["呂次長建德：我想確實誠如委員所說的，一般如果是發生在校內的話，我們總是要隔絕嘛。"],["林委員月琴：對啊，要走校內流程，但他真的就會擔心讓人家知道啊！"],["呂次長建德：我們會遵照辦理，儘量以這個原則，但是委員您自己也是社工出身，其實我們也會跟社工討論評估處遇的方式。"],["林委員月琴：次長，我真的覺得你們要檢討，因為無論是前端的通報、後續的下架或被害人的心理支持，都應該重新檢討你們現行的制度有沒有不必要的程序門檻，阻斷了我們對受害人的最佳保障，這個我真的很難以接受。"],["呂次長建德：了解。"],["林委員月琴：前面談的是性影像發生後的處理，可是兒少性剝削的案子持續攀升，前端的預防同樣重要。","不好意思，我接下來要請教育部。"],["呂次長建德：OK，感謝委員，謝謝。"],["林委員月琴：因為每次談數位暴力的防治成效，教育部都會告訴我們辦了幾場講座、比賽，做了多少教材，可是教育部副司長……"],["主席：請教育部許嘉倩副司長。"],["林委員月琴：你們辦了活動，不等於宣導有效，這些教材第一線教師到底有沒有使用？學生接受宣導後，對數位性暴力的認知、辨識能力有沒有提升？這些宣導比賽究竟如何落地，變成具體可量化的東西、可被檢驗的數據成效？教育部有沒有實際評估？因為你們很常畫一張海報，辦畫畫比賽，但是辦畫畫比賽真的就會改變大家的觀念嗎？"],["許副司長嘉倩：比賽的部分應該是提高學生的興趣，至於宣導成效，其實我們有委託大學來幫我們做相關的調查，我們做前測和後測調查之後發現，其實他們針對暴力防治相關的認知是有提升的，當然這個還是不夠，我們未來會再持續努力。我們最近比較新的是我們有開發一種沉浸式的、互動式的遊戲教材，這個部分可以讓青少年透過遊戲這樣互動的機制，從裡面學習面對這樣的情境時，要怎麼樣尋得求助的管道。"],["林委員月琴：英國、澳洲都有針對兒少在面對數位性暴力的行為模式認知情況定期追蹤，也能夠掌握目前孩子們在網路的使用經驗。我為什麼要這樣講？甚至我想了解，教育部到底有沒有從民間或者是社政單位那邊知道，現在這些孩子為什麼會有被性剝削的狀況？能不能從真實的案例裡面再回推要怎麼去防治？如果你都不知道真實的狀況，就像我們講被詐騙，但被詐騙是用什麼手法詐騙，你如果都不知道這些詐騙手法的時候，你沒有辦法防範。剛剛提到你們有定期調查，我希望你們提供成效給我看一下。我也要問你們的調查結果到底有沒有調整宣導政策？","為什麼我這樣提？我過去在推所謂的安全教育，常常就看到教育部的很多方法，不是舉辦交通安全拔河比賽，就是交通安全跳繩比賽，我在想這些東西到底能不能改變大家對交通安全的認知？一樣的，如果你不知道性剝削的案例，你怎麼去回推要怎麼去防制？所以也請你們把這些相關的做法、怎麼調整，一個月內給我們辦公室相關的報告。"],["許副司長嘉倩：好，謝謝委員，委員有建議針對案例轉化成相關宣導教材，這個部分我們回去也會再進行研議，相關的資料我們再提供給委員。"],["林委員月琴：好，再麻煩教育部，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝月琴召委的質詢，也謝謝各級官員的回答。","下一位請陳菁徽委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"agendarec_url":null,"pdf_url":"https://ppg.ly.gov.tw/ppg/SittingCommitteesInfo/download/communique1/final/pdf/115/76/LCIDC01_1157601_00003.pdf","meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員會第2次聯席會議紀錄","content":"一、審查「性侵害犯罪防治法部分條文修正草案」等10案：(一)委員葉元之等19人擬具「性侵害\n犯罪防治法第五十二條條文修正草案」案、(二)委員黃健豪等23人擬具「性侵害犯罪防治法部分\n條文修正草案」案、(三)委員徐巧芯等16人擬具「性侵害犯罪防治法增訂第三十二條之一條文草\n案」案、( 四) 委員鄭正鈐等22 人擬具「性侵害犯罪防治法增訂第二十八條之一條文草案」案、\n(五)委員吳沛憶等17人擬具「性侵害犯罪防治法增訂第十條之一條文草案」案、(六)委員魯明哲\n等18 人擬具「性侵害犯罪防治法增訂第十一條之一條文草案」案、( 七) 委員魯明哲等18 人擬具\n「性侵害犯罪防治法第二十九條條文修正草案」案、(八)委員陳培瑜等16人擬具「性侵害犯罪防\n治法部分條文修正草案」案、(九)委員王育敏等20人擬具「性侵害犯罪防治法第二十九條及第四\n十三條之一條文修正草案」案、(十)委員張雅琳等16人擬具「性侵害犯罪防治法部分條文修正草\n案」案；二、審查「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」等17案：(一)委員陳亭妃等\n17人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」案、(二)委員徐欣瑩等27人擬具「兒\n童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十二條及第三十三條條文修正草案」案、(三)委員張智倫等18人擬\n具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」案、(四)委員廖先翔等17人擬具「兒童及少\n年性剝削防制條例第三十九條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員蔡其昌等17人擬具「兒童及少年性剝\n削防制條例增訂第五十三條之二條文草案」案、(六)委員黃秀芳等18人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削\n防制條例增訂第五十三條之二條文草案」案、(七)委員羅廷瑋等18人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防\n制條例第十二條、第五十三條之二及第五十五條條文修正草案」案、(八)委員林宜瑾等19人擬具\n「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例增訂第五十三條之二條文草案」案、 ( 九) 委員林俊憲等18 人擬具\n「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例增訂第五十三條之二條文草案」案、( 十) 委員邱議瑩等16 人擬具\n「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例增訂第五十三條之二條文草案」案、(十一)委員林月琴等21人擬具\n「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例增訂第十三條之一及第五十三條之二條文草案」案、(十二)委員王\n育敏等19人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第十二條、第五十三條之二及第五十五條條文修正\n草案」案、(十三)委員范雲等16人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例增訂第五十三條之二及第五\n十三條之三條文草案」案、(十四)委員陳培瑜等16人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文\n修正草案」案、(十五)委員翁曉玲等18人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第十二條及第五十三\n條之二條文修正草案」案、(十六)委員林月琴等16人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文\n修正草案」案、(十七)委員張雅琳等16人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」\n案（詢答）","agenda_id":"1157601_00003","doc_url":"https://ppg.ly.gov.tw/ppg/download/communique1\\work\\115\\76\\LCIDC01_1157601_00004.doc","page_end":288,"meet_id":"聯席會議-11-5-26,36-2","speakers":["林月琴","張智倫","陳昭姿","陳菁徽","邱鎮軍","廖偉翔","黃秀芳","莊瑞雄","盧縣一","范雲","楊瓊瓔","邱慧洳","王正旭","陳瑩","劉建國","涂權吉","沈發惠","蘇清泉","傅崐萁","王育敏","蔡其昌","楊曜","林淑芬","徐欣瑩","許宇甄","吳宗憲","沈伯洋","張雅琳"],"page_start":173,"meetingDate":["2026-08-26"],"gazette_id":"1157601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1157601_00004"],"pdf_page_offset":172}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}