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7到8級開始，這是屬於所謂重症的部分，目前估出來符合的大概有11萬，這是第一個數據。","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"呂次長建德：報告委員，我們目前有幾個結論","start":"2026-08-26T10:10:59+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:11:07.684211+08:00","text":"第二個，目前針對他們喘息服務的部分，之前他會分兩段，一般是他申請的部分……","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:11:08.117647+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:11:09.058824+08:00","text":"整個具體方案什麼時候會出來？","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:11:12.176471+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:11:22.800000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為這裡面又會牽涉到像勞動部有一個多元……","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:11:23+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:11:24.500000+08:00","text":"大概要多久？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:11:25.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:11:28.500000+08:00","text":"如果可以的話，我們希望越快越好。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:11:29.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:11:52.866667+08:00","text":"外籍看護工家庭申請喘息服務的使用人次，從113年的106萬增加到114年的123萬；短期替代照顧服務，從53萬人次暴增到111萬人次，成長率108%，整體超過234萬人次，這些數據告訴我們，照顧斷層在外籍看護家庭來說，真的是非常真實而普遍的困境。","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:11:52.866667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T10:11:53.866667+08:00","text":"沒錯、沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:11:53.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:12:04.500000+08:00","text":"洪部長當時也認為52天的喘息服務確實不夠，次長認為，對一個需要365天、24小時照顧的重症家庭來說，這樣夠嗎？","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:12:05+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:12:14.714286+08:00","text":"報告委員，我當然知道這52天還是有所不足，但我也必須先點出現在有一個問題。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:12:15.888889+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:12:20.818182+08:00","text":"根據我們的數據，我們跟勞動部也有在討論，即輕、中、重的等級中，重症家庭使用的人次反而不多。","quality":0.513},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:12:25.153846+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:12:36.800000+08:00","text":"這裡面有一個很重要的問題是，我也不瞞委員，就是重症家庭在聘僱的時候，他們會怕在使用喘息服務之後，外籍看護工可能就會跑掉。","quality":0.673},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:12:37.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:12:46.750000+08:00","text":"的確，這裡面必須要有一個所謂的喘息，喘息的意思是這裡面會加強，而且我們也特別跟一些……","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:12:46.750000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T10:12:47.750000+08:00","text":"沒有啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:12:47+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:12:52.818182+08:00","text":"你剛才講的那個問題只是我們自己要考慮的問題，可是太多的問題確實存在。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:12:52.818182+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T10:12:53.818182+08:00","text":"對，沒錯、沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:12:53+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:13:00.818182+08:00","text":"我覺得說，因為你這個方案也還沒出來，我現在只是把這個意見先跟你講，請你們儘快，好不好？好、好。","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:13:01.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:13:10.600000+08:00","text":"我再請問，部苗擴建工程7月開始公開招標，到現在已流標3次，原因是什麼？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:13:11+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:13:24.846154+08:00","text":"報告委員，委員也知道這個部分苗栗那邊的鄉親非常、非常、非常需要，像林月琴委員對這個問題也一直非常、非常關心，這個部分過去因為疫情期間；另外第二個……","quality":0.569},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:13:25+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:13:30.666667+08:00","text":"你不要講疫情期間，我現在講的是7月開始公開招標，你不要講那麼遠啦！","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:13:31+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:13:32.818182+08:00","text":"到現在已3次流標是為什麼呢？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:13:33+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:13:34.750000+08:00","text":"我現在問你為什麼呢？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:13:35+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:13:36.818182+08:00","text":"主要應該還是標金的問題。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:13:37.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:13:38.666667+08:00","text":"就是錢不夠，對不對？嗯。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:13:39+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:13:48.818182+08:00","text":"今年3月我問部長，他說有配套方案，那你們的替代方案是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:13:49+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:13:58.818182+08:00","text":"這個部分我是不是先請醫事司……OK，沒關係，我跟委員報告，部苗一案幾次的流標主要還是……","quality":0.73},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:13:59+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:14:02.800000+08:00","text":"那是錢的問題，所以你們準備提高至多少錢？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:14:05.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:14:06.500000+08:00","text":"不知道嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:14:07.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:14:10.666667+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個部分我們會趕快來……","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:14:11.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:14:11.625000+08:00","text":"儘快，好不好？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:14:11.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:14:15.750000+08:00","text":"因為已經流標3次，你不要告訴我等一下可能又十幾次都標不出去。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:14:16+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:14:16.750000+08:00","text":"了解、了解。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:14:17.307692+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:14:18.846154+08:00","text":"請儘快，3次之後應該就可以調整了。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:14:19+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:14:20+08:00","text":"好，OK。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:14:21.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:14:32.833333+08:00","text":"次長，我再問一下，目前全臺灣在衛福部系統裡面，符合優先採購資格，有賣月餅的身障跟庇護廠商總共有幾家？","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:14:32.833333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T10:14:37+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:14:37+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:14:40.333333+08:00","text":"我告訴你，大概有63家、163個產品。嗯。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:14:41.222222+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:14:52.555556+08:00","text":"按照總統府的說法，因為國務機要費被凍結2,000萬、刪除1,000萬，這些錢本來要跟37個弱勢團體購買中秋月餅，現在都沒有辦法了。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:14:52.555556+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T10:14:53.555556+08:00","text":"沒錯、沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:14:53.142857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:14:56.500000+08:00","text":"哪些廠商是總統府已經下訂單，然後突然被抽單的？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:14:57+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:14:58.714286+08:00","text":"哪些是只有詢價而已？","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:14:59+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:15:00.818182+08:00","text":"這個我們可能要再了解一下。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:15:03.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:15:20.857143+08:00","text":"衛福部本身是身障權法的主管機關，優採制度跟廠商資料是你們建立的，這麼多天經過總統府、民進黨上下、民進黨黨員、綠媒側翼鋪天蓋地的提醒你們弱勢會被影響，難道你們都沒去關心嗎？","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:15:21.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:15:24.333333+08:00","text":"報告委員，有，我們目前也希望……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:15:24.333333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T10:15:28.076923+08:00","text":"有關心，那你們為什麼都講不出來？","quality":0.071},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:15:28.076923+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:15:30.857143+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們事實上就有一個平臺，希望能夠來……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:15:31+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:15:32.818182+08:00","text":"你說有影響的，你也講不出來啊！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:15:32.818182+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T10:15:33.818182+08:00","text":"我們目前是希望請社會各界……","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:15:33.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:15:34.666667+08:00","text":"有多少家啦？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:15:35+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:15:39.833333+08:00","text":"我們每年都會做相關的修正……","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:15:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:15:42.714286+08:00","text":"現在受影響的有多少家？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:15:47+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:16:20.800000+08:00","text":"總統府過去每年的中秋送禮，從政府目前公開的資料來看，106年3家；107年3家；108年是0家，沒有半家；109年也是3家；110年3家；111年最多，有8家；112年又沒有了，0家；113年3家；114年6家，過去大概就是3到6家，最多8家，怎麼今年突然變成37家了？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:16:23+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:16:28.500000+08:00","text":"如果總統府真的一次向37家採購，我當然支持擴大照顧服務啊！","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:16:29+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:16:32.600000+08:00","text":"但是請把採購資料拿出來，這37家各買多少？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:16:33+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:16:34.714286+08:00","text":"每筆是多少錢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:16:35+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:16:38.500000+08:00","text":"是一起規劃還是拆成37筆分別採購？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:16:39+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:16:46.750000+08:00","text":"如果本來就是同一個總統府中秋禮盒的採購需求，是不是刻意拆成多筆小額採購？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:16:47.133333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:16:52.818182+08:00","text":"如果是這樣，就要進一步說明，有沒有涉及採購法上意圖規避採購法而分批辦理的問題。","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"邱委員鎮軍","start":"2026-08-26T10:16:53+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:17:26.714286+08:00","text":"而且總統府過去幾年的訂單重複性非常高，馬利亞體系得標5個年度；愛肯樂活工場4個年度；香園、糕菲、伊甸各3個年度；中外、唐氏症基金會、善愛、小愉兒各兩個年度，其中一個基金會的常務監察員是我們民進黨不分區立委，這樣有沒有長期排擠到其他上百家弱勢朋友、廠商的生存權益？","qual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