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時間的關係，我直接講好了，因為時間快要不夠了。","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:28:26+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:28:49.750000+08:00","text":"我覺得其中一個原因也跟人力有關，因為2025年的時候，12月保護性社工的需求是2,064人，你們進用了1,570人，所以進用率大概是76%，是所有社工類別裡面最低的，缺了兩成的人，誰陪被害人做筆錄、誰陪出庭？","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:28:50.666667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:28:55.750000+08:00","text":"案子越來越多，那人會不會越來越缺、起訴也越來越難？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:28:56+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:29:09.888889+08:00","text":"我想這也是今天很多委員想要提出修法的相關一個點，所以這個部分我想要請教一下，我剛剛在問的點是為什麼起訴率會這麼低？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:29:10.166667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:29:15.800000+08:00","text":"沒有被起訴，或是沒有被偵查完成的，你們有沒有去統計這些結案原因的分類表？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:29:16+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:29:17.818182+08:00","text":"譬如說是超過時間了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:29:18+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:29:18.800000+08:00","text":"還是怎麼樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:29:19+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:29:24.800000+08:00","text":"這是為什麼今天要修法的一個很重要的點，對不對，次長？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:29:25+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:29:41.666667+08:00","text":"非常感謝委員，不過委員現在要問的是起訴率，影響起訴率有很多很多因素，關於起訴的問題，我恐怕還是要請法務部跟司法院答復，因為委員現在所說的是前端的問題……","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:29:42+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:29:47.750000+08:00","text":"現在就是有兩個點嘛，第一個點是你有沒有去了解為什麼起訴率這麼低？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:29:48.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:29:49.750000+08:00","text":"它的原因是為什麼？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:29:50.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:29:53.818182+08:00","text":"它沒有辦法進入相關程序的原因是什麼？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:29:54+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:30:06.846154+08:00","text":"是時間過了，還是你們的人力真的不夠，可能沒有足夠的人力去陪他做筆錄或司法上面的協助，或者是陪伴他而知道他到底發生什麼問題？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:30:07.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:30:12.823529+08:00","text":"本席在這裡所講的意思是，第一個，你們有沒有去做所謂的結案原因分類表？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:30:13.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:30:15.800000+08:00","text":"有沒有去理解到底是為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:30:16.142857+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:30:18.777778+08:00","text":"原因是超過起訴時間嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:30:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:30:23.769231+08:00","text":"有關於起訴率的部分，是不是請……","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:30:27+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:30:36.857143+08:00","text":"因為今天主要是要討論這個問題，所以我是想要問次長，你們有沒有去做這個，或者去問法務部或司法院等相關單位到底是什麼原因？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:30:37+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:30:41.750000+08:00","text":"是司法端的問題、人力端的問題，還是通報端的問題？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:30:42.181818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:30:43.818182+08:00","text":"為什麼會造成這個數字？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:30:45.307692+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:30:53.250000+08:00","text":"報告委員，誠如我剛剛說的，起訴部分其實還是牽涉到法務部那邊……是啊！","quality":0.69},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:30:55+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:30:56.875000+08:00","text":"起訴的沒有問題，我現在是說有很多……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:30:57.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:31:05.538462+08:00","text":"至於前端的部分，你剛剛所說的是有關於社工方面，我們目前保護性社工的recruit大概是76%。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:31:07+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:31:08.857143+08:00","text":"對，我剛剛有講76%，就是不足啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:31:10+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:31:27.875000+08:00","text":"也像剛剛陳菁徽委員所說的，目前我們有一些相關的值機費及風險加給，最近已經要簽報給行政院，希望透過整個薪資跟勞動條件的改善，能夠趕快補齊相關的人力。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:31:28.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:31:29.928571+08:00","text":"這個部分你多少時間內可以給本席一個改善方案的報告？","quality":0.708},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:31:32.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:31:32.900000+08:00","text":"三個月之內，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:31:33+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:31:33.875000+08:00","text":"三個月之內我趕快……","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:31:34+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:31:34.875000+08:00","text":"三個月會不會太久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:31:35+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:31:35.833333+08:00","text":"一個月可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長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,"quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:37:13.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:37:21.857143+08:00","text":"我們就是如剛剛說的，8月6號我們已經送進去，我相信院那邊會趕快回復和處理。謝謝。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:37:22.166667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:37:27.800000+08:00","text":"好，次長，但你還是要給我一個時間啦，你們預計大概什麼時候？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:37:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:37:29.714286+08:00","text":"次長沒辦法回答？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:37:30+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:37:32.785714+08:00","text":"還是你回去趕快去催行政院？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:37:33+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:37:34.571429+08:00","text":"我們會請……我想行政院……","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:37:35+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:37:36.500000+08:00","text":"所以換言之，就是行政院還卡住？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:37:37+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:37:37.750000+08:00","text":"沒有、沒有，行政院當然是……","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:37:38+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:37:38.909091+08:00","text":"所以我要你說句公道話。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:37:39+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:37:47.692308+08:00","text":"不會啦，報告委員，我們目前都會趕快，我們知道社會各界對這件事情的關心，我們會趕快進行版本的……","quality":0.78},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:37:48+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:38:04.666667+08:00","text":"次長，我看到衛福部的書面報告提到，你們不同意葉元之委員的版本，其中一個理由就是現行的性侵害犯罪防治法第五十二條已經有規定，所以是否還要另外建立公開制度需要審慎評估。對。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:38:05+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:38:07.818182+08:00","text":"可是我想要問一下次長，第五十二條到底規定了什麼？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:38:08.166667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:38:20.736842+08:00","text":"它要求加害人必須先判決有罪確定，而且還要逃亡、藏匿經通緝，警察機關才得公開他的身分資訊。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:38:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:38:21.250000+08:00","text":"對，沒錯。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:38:22.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:38:42.823529+08:00","text":"換句話說，基本上要等到判決確定後，這個人跑了、躲起來了、被公開通緝了，你們才說可以公開，還不是一定要公開，還留了一個裁量權庇護這些性侵犯，我說的是已經定讞的，所以我們這次修法要修的、要處理的是什麼？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:38:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:39:08.800000+08:00","text":"是對於本法第二條所列的性侵害犯罪加害人判決確定後，如果依他的犯罪情節、履行義務情形、活動範圍以及專業評估，已經足夠認定具有高度再犯風險，能不能提早讓潛在的、有再犯之虞的這些加害人……讓被害人可以得到必要的警示？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:39:09+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:39:16.800000+08:00","text":"所以想要問一下次長，一個是逃亡、通緝後找人，一個是再犯之前防人，這兩件事情怎麼會一樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:39:17+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:39:35.769231+08:00","text":"所以我想如果今天政府反對葉元之委員的版本，不要只是告訴我第五十二條已經有規定了，請次長直接回答，現行的第五十二條到底要怎麼保護這些面對再犯風險高的性侵害加害人的潛在被害人？","quality":0.866},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:39:36+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:39:44.714286+08:00","text":"難道一定要等到他再犯案了，甚至逃亡、通緝之後，政府才認為有公開資訊的必要嗎？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:39:45.181818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:40:05.800000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這裡面有兩個重點，第一個就是有關加害人的問題，這不只是簡單的加害人，因為一般是熟人所為，這裡面會牽涉到一旦公告之後，我們也要考慮到被害人自己本身的隱私問題，這個……","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:40:06+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:40:10.714286+08:00","text":"我們不是要公告被害人，而是在講加害人。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:40:11+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:40:14.727273+08:00","text":"可是這裡面也有牽涉到他整個相關的隱私保護。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:40:15+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:40:21.857143+08:00","text":"次長，我覺得這個聽起來很奇怪，要公開加害人怎麼變成你也把被害人扯進去？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:40:22+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:40:23.818182+08:00","text":"我們並沒有要公開被害人啊！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:40:24.571429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:40:27.800000+08:00","text":"次長，針對這部分，你們是不是應該回去好好地檢討？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:40:28+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:40:35.875000+08:00","text":"我想也不只在野黨委員提到，剛剛好幾位委員也都有提到有關於公開的部分，是不是你們應該要……","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:40:36+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:40:38.500000+08:00","text":"針對這個部分，我們回去再做相關的檢討。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:40:39+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:40:41.800000+08:00","text":"我們要保護的是被害人，不是加害人啦，好不好？次長。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:40:42+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:40:42.500000+08:00","text":"當然、當然。好。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"廖委員偉翔","start":"2026-08-26T10:40:43+08:00","guessed":false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？比前一年多還是少？未滿18歲的是多少？"],["呂次長建德：現在最新的數據大約一萬多，跟去年的數字相比，大概……"],["廖委員偉翔：一萬多是一萬多少？有沒有具體的數字？或者我們的其他單位……"],["呂次長建德：一萬五千多件。"],["廖委員偉翔：一萬五千多件？"],["呂次長建德：對。"],["廖委員偉翔：性侵害通報有一萬五千多件？比本席查到的還要多耶！"],["呂次長建德：對不起，是1萬442。"],["廖委員偉翔：1萬442？"],["呂次長建德：正確。"],["廖委員偉翔：對，本席也是查到1萬442，所以你沒有掌握清楚就對了？"],["呂次長建德：我記得是1萬啦。"],["廖委員偉翔：1萬442？"],["呂次長建德：對。"],["廖委員偉翔：比前一年多還是少？"],["呂次長建德：去年是1萬78，所以是略多。"],["廖委員偉翔：多了嘛，多了一些。"],["呂次長建德：對，沒錯。"],["廖委員偉翔：那未滿18歲的有多少？"],["呂次長建德：未滿……"],["廖委員偉翔：所以今天要討論這個之前，你們都沒有去把數字研究清楚啊？"],["呂次長建德：大概是3,586。"],["廖委員偉翔：未滿18歲的，你說多少？3,586嗎？"],["呂次長建德：4,600。"],["廖委員偉翔：不對啦，4,712，數字到底是多少？一下子三千多、四千，然後我講一個又說對，你們到底有沒有研究清楚？"],["呂次長建德：報告委員，4,674。"],["廖委員偉翔：4,674？"],["呂次長建德：正確。"],["廖委員偉翔：好，未滿18歲的有4,674？"],["呂次長建德：沒錯。"],["廖委員偉翔：對，幾乎等於是這個通報案件裡面，將近有兩個案件，其中一個可能就是未滿18歲的。我想先詢問一下兒少性剝削的通報被害人110年是1,876，對嗎？"],["呂次長建德：對，沒錯。"],["廖委員偉翔：114年是3,378。"],["呂次長建德：對。"],["廖委員偉翔：那這五年幾乎翻好幾倍，翻倍啊，通報量一直在漲，但是通報這麼多，進到司法之後呢？"],["呂次長建德：報告委員，那個增加其實是因為兒少性剝削條例，所以那個通報增加主要的是性影像。"],["廖委員偉翔：是，當然啦，所以我說量增加沒有錯啊，我現在問的是這麼多的量，那進到司法之後呢？根據法務部法務統計資訊網的通報，114年偵查終結了6,082，那我也想問次長，最後起訴了多少人？起訴率是多少？如果次長不知道，可以請相關單位說明。"],["陳主任檢察官貞卉：委員好，在這邊回復委員，我現在手邊有的是地方檢察署辦理違反兒少性剝削防制條例的案件統計，以我現在手邊的資料，我們114年度的時候，新收案件數是1,158件，其中偵查終結是1,387件，起訴是804件。"],["廖委員偉翔：我剛剛講是包含性侵害通報的部分。"],["陳主任檢察官貞卉：性侵害通報是另外一個報表，我在這邊也跟委員報告一下，我現在手邊的資料裡面，114年度的性侵害案件，新收件數是5,892件，偵查終結……"],["廖委員偉翔：為什麼跟剛剛衛福部講的數字又不太一樣？因為它跟我們查到的一樣，是1萬442。"],["陳主任檢察官貞卉：我們是以件數，剛剛委員指的是人數。"],["廖委員偉翔：通報人數，你是以件數？"],["陳主任檢察官貞卉：對，人數跟件數，統計的不一樣，再來就是他可能先通報之後，先進行譬如說被害人……"],["廖委員偉翔：好，沒關係，簡單來講，我想要表達的事情就是最後起訴率大概是33.7%，用人來看的話，換句話說，3個進到偵查的，只有1個走到法庭，這也不只是媒體轉述，是我去查了法務部自己的統計，次長有沒有去分析為什麼沒有辦法走到法庭裡面？","好，沒關係，因為時間的關係，我直接講好了，因為時間快要不夠了。我覺得其中一個原因也跟人力有關，因為2025年的時候，12月保護性社工的需求是2,064人，你們進用了1,570人，所以進用率大概是76%，是所有社工類別裡面最低的，缺了兩成的人，誰陪被害人做筆錄、誰陪出庭？案子越來越多，那人會不會越來越缺、起訴也越來越難？我想這也是今天很多委員想要提出修法的相關一個點，所以這個部分我想要請教一下，我剛剛在問的點是為什麼起訴率會這麼低？沒有被起訴，或是沒有被偵查完成的，你們有沒有去統計這些結案原因的分類表？譬如說是超過時間了嗎？還是怎麼樣？這是為什麼今天要修法的一個很重要的點，對不對，次長？"],["呂次長建德：非常感謝委員，不過委員現在要問的是起訴率，影響起訴率有很多很多因素，關於起訴的問題，我恐怕還是要請法務部跟司法院答復，因為委員現在所說的是前端的問題……"],["廖委員偉翔：現在就是有兩個點嘛，第一個點是你有沒有去了解為什麼起訴率這麼低？它的原因是為什麼？它沒有辦法進入相關程序的原因是什麼？是時間過了，還是你們的人力真的不夠，可能沒有足夠的人力去陪他做筆錄或司法上面的協助，或者是陪伴他而知道他到底發生什麼問題？本席在這裡所講的意思是，第一個，你們有沒有去做所謂的結案原因分類表？有沒有去理解到底是為什麼？原因是超過起訴時間嗎？"],["呂次長建德：有關於起訴率的部分，是不是請……"],["廖委員偉翔：因為今天主要是要討論這個問題，所以我是想要問次長，你們有沒有去做這個，或者去問法務部或司法院等相關單位到底是什麼原因？是司法端的問題、人力端的問題，還是通報端的問題？為什麼會造成這個數字？"],["呂次長建德：報告委員，誠如我剛剛說的，起訴部分其實還是牽涉到法務部那邊……"],["廖委員偉翔：是啊！起訴的沒有問題，我現在是說有很多……"],["呂次長建德：至於前端的部分，你剛剛所說的是有關於社工方面，我們目前保護性社工的recruit大概是76%。"],["廖委員偉翔：對，我剛剛有講76%，就是不足啊！"],["呂次長建德：也像剛剛陳菁徽委員所說的，目前我們有一些相關的值機費及風險加給，最近已經要簽報給行政院，希望透過整個薪資跟勞動條件的改善，能夠趕快補齊相關的人力。"],["廖委員偉翔：這個部分你多少時間內可以給本席一個改善方案的報告？"],["呂次長建德：三個月之內，好不好？三個月之內我趕快……"],["廖委員偉翔：三個月會不會太久？一個月可以嗎？"],["呂次長建德：好，OK，一個月，就是我們目前的保護性社工……"],["廖委員偉翔：而且還有第二件事情，就是你們要去查，給本席辦公室一個結案原因分類表。"],["呂次長建德：好，當然。"],["廖委員偉翔：你們要知道為什麼因此沒有辦法把這個程序的問題……"],["呂次長建德：是，沒錯。"],["廖委員偉翔：再來下一題，關於今天這個部分，我想請教，目前性防法與兒少性剝削條例都在你們的保護服務司，性暴力防治科管性防法跟兒少性剝削條例，兒少保護科管兒虐，113專線也在這個司？"],["呂次長建德：對。"],["廖委員偉翔：但是你們現在組改，我也去看了一下你們在行政院去年12月11號的院會簡報，兒少及家庭支持署下面設保護安置組，寫的是兒少保護、安置服務、住宿式照顧。今年2月你們又宣布要成立所謂的婦女發展及保護服務司，5月呂次長也說將婦女政策移出社家署，另設婦女及保護司。"],["呂次長建德：沒錯。"],["廖委員偉翔：我把整份簡報看完之後，在6頁的簡報裡面，「性侵害」這三個字或針對這件事情出現了幾次？是零次，裡面好像沒有在討論這件事情。我今天想要請教，組改之後，性侵害防治法是歸誰處理？兒少性剝削防制條例又歸誰？兒少保護歸兒家署，性侵害防治如果留在掛「婦女」兩個字的司，兒少如果被性侵、性剝削，這兩邊都沾的案子到底是兒家署要負責，還是婦女司要負責的事情？113又歸誰？我想一個法或主責單位總不能有兩個媽，到底是以誰為主？"],["呂次長建德：我先簡單回答委員的問題，有關性剝削及性侵害等等這些全部都還是留在保護司。"],["廖委員偉翔：兒少性剝削及性侵害……"],["呂次長建德：但是目前我們為了回應社會各界之前對於有關兒童虐待的部分，兒童虐待原先在保護司，但我們考慮到這也會跟社會安全網裡的脆弱性家庭有關，所以我們未來會把這個部分移到新成立的兒家署，這是第一點。"],["廖委員偉翔：次長，你可以再講清楚一點嗎？我聽起來覺得有點困惑。"],["呂次長建德：好，簡單來講，委員剛剛所關心的性侵害及性剝削部分還是維持在保護司。"],["廖委員偉翔：未來也是在保護司？"],["呂次長建德：是。第二個，這裡面原先有關於兒童虐待的問題，我們就是把它撥到兒家署的保護安置組，我們的權責分工……"],["廖委員偉翔：所以以後婦女發展及保護服務司就是負責你剛剛所謂的……"],["呂次長建德：性剝削、性侵害。"],["廖委員偉翔：性剝削、性侵害？"],["呂次長建德：對，沒錯，如果兒少也是有關於這部分的話，那當然也還是在保護司。"],["廖委員偉翔：兒少如果有牽扯到這兩個也還是由保護司負責？"],["呂次長建德：當然。"],["廖委員偉翔：就不是由兒家署來主責？"],["呂次長建德：沒錯，不是他們。"],["廖委員偉翔：所以主要都在這裡？"],["呂次長建德：正確。"],["廖委員偉翔：OK。再來，我想要問一下次長，今天的議程列了27案，我也一案一案對過，全部都是立委提的，有行政院版本嗎？我想立法院有多急，看提案就知道了，光是第五十三條之二，把追訴時效改成被害人滿二十歲後起算的就有13案。更急的在後面，連憲法法庭都開口了，在8月14日作成115年憲判字第6號判決，憲法法庭的書記廳說明，先前修法並未及於關於拍攝兒童、少年性影像之性剝削犯罪的追訴權時效期間，相關機關應妥速通盤檢討，修正相關規定。所以我想要先請教一下，這個事情怎麼這麼卡？我看到的是，可能不是你們完全沒有動，郭彩榕司長在8月14號公開表示衛福部已經完成修法，8月初也已經函送行政院。"],["呂次長建德：是的。"],["廖委員偉翔：但是問題就來了，為什麼到現在都還沒有行政院的版本？到底是什麼時候送的？行政院是幾日收文？現在草案在哪個單位？已經開過幾次審查會議，然後你們卡在哪個爭點？預計什麼時候送到立法院來？到底是你們送得慢，還是行政院審得慢？"],["呂次長建德：報告委員，我簡單回答兩個重點。第一個，我們的版本已經在8月6號送達行政院。"],["廖委員偉翔：對，我剛剛有講。"],["呂次長建德：第二點，目前就是如委員剛剛所說的，憲判字相關問題的通盤檢討，在我們送的版本裡面都已經含納。"],["廖委員偉翔：所以現在是卡在哪裡？是行政院的問題嗎？審查太慢了？"],["呂次長建德：我們8月6號已經送進去，目前也在趕快進行相關的審議工作。"],["廖委員偉翔：到底為什麼會這麼卡、這麼慢？現在是卡在哪個點？"],["呂次長建德：沒有吧！我們8月6號送進去……"],["廖委員偉翔：沒有？可是你看，你們食安法很快就送到立法院來了，那這個問題到底是卡在哪裡？"],["呂次長建德：報告委員，現在院那邊已經加緊在做相關的審查工作。"],["廖委員偉翔：加緊，那時程大概是什麼？"],["呂次長建德：我們會趕快跟……"],["廖委員偉翔：所以你還沒辦法確定時程？"],["呂次長建德：我們就是如剛剛說的，8月6號我們已經送進去，我相信院那邊會趕快回復和處理。謝謝。"],["廖委員偉翔：好，次長，但你還是要給我一個時間啦，你們預計大概什麼時候？次長沒辦法回答？還是你回去趕快去催行政院？"],["呂次長建德：我們會請……我想行政院……"],["廖委員偉翔：所以換言之，就是行政院還卡住？"],["呂次長建德：沒有、沒有，行政院當然是……"],["廖委員偉翔：所以我要你說句公道話。"],["呂次長建德：不會啦，報告委員，我們目前都會趕快，我們知道社會各界對這件事情的關心，我們會趕快進行版本的……"],["廖委員偉翔：次長，我看到衛福部的書面報告提到，你們不同意葉元之委員的版本，其中一個理由就是現行的性侵害犯罪防治法第五十二條已經有規定，所以是否還要另外建立公開制度需要審慎評估。"],["呂次長建德：對。"],["廖委員偉翔：可是我想要問一下次長，第五十二條到底規定了什麼？它要求加害人必須先判決有罪確定，而且還要逃亡、藏匿經通緝，警察機關才得公開他的身分資訊。"],["呂次長建德：對，沒錯。"],["廖委員偉翔：換句話說，基本上要等到判決確定後，這個人跑了、躲起來了、被公開通緝了，你們才說可以公開，還不是一定要公開，還留了一個裁量權庇護這些性侵犯，我說的是已經定讞的，所以我們這次修法要修的、要處理的是什麼？是對於本法第二條所列的性侵害犯罪加害人判決確定後，如果依他的犯罪情節、履行義務情形、活動範圍以及專業評估，已經足夠認定具有高度再犯風險，能不能提早讓潛在的、有再犯之虞的這些加害人……讓被害人可以得到必要的警示？所以想要問一下次長，一個是逃亡、通緝後找人，一個是再犯之前防人，這兩件事情怎麼會一樣？所以我想如果今天政府反對葉元之委員的版本，不要只是告訴我第五十二條已經有規定了，請次長直接回答，現行的第五十二條到底要怎麼保護這些面對再犯風險高的性侵害加害人的潛在被害人？難道一定要等到他再犯案了，甚至逃亡、通緝之後，政府才認為有公開資訊的必要嗎？"],["呂次長建德：報告委員，這裡面有兩個重點，第一個就是有關加害人的問題，這不只是簡單的加害人，因為一般是熟人所為，這裡面會牽涉到一旦公告之後，我們也要考慮到被害人自己本身的隱私問題，這個……"],["廖委員偉翔：我們不是要公告被害人，而是在講加害人。"],["呂次長建德：可是這裡面也有牽涉到他整個相關的隱私保護。"],["廖委員偉翔：次長，我覺得這個聽起來很奇怪，要公開加害人怎麼變成你也把被害人扯進去？我們並沒有要公開被害人啊！次長，針對這部分，你們是不是應該回去好好地檢討？我想也不只在野黨委員提到，剛剛好幾位委員也都有提到有關於公開的部分，是不是你們應該要……"],["呂次長建德：針對這個部分，我們回去再做相關的檢討。"],["廖委員偉翔：我們要保護的是被害人，不是加害人啦，好不好？次長。"],["呂次長建德：當然、當然。"],["廖委員偉翔：好。最後，我還是要呼籲一下，次長，我們6月的時候有到臺中去看庇護工場嘛！"],["呂次長建德：沒錯。"],["廖委員偉翔：你當時也知道有很多問題嘛！有虛擬採購問題，也有不足額的問題。"],["呂次長建德：是，沒錯。"],["廖委員偉翔：甚至也都有統計出來，差了至少7億到10億，對吧？次長，你也都頻頻點頭，知道庇護工場的優先採購裡面充滿很多問題。"],["呂次長建德：對，沒錯。"],["廖委員偉翔：我也很高興次長這邊，當天我們看了幾家庇護工場，他們可以提供的服務還不錯。次長，當下也想到未來在長照可以納入優採的部分，你記不記得？到獨居老人那裡做清洗及打掃環境的部分，你記得嗎？"],["呂次長建德：對，沒錯。"],["廖委員偉翔：後來你也答應本席要檢討嘛！要找這些庇護工場來開會檢討，你們現在進度怎麼樣？據我所知，你們昨天有開會？"],["呂次長建德：對，沒錯。"],["廖委員偉翔：對啊！代表本來就有問題，所以你們昨天才找來檢討，對不對？次長。"],["呂次長建德：報告委員，也非常感謝委員對於這個問題的關心，這裡面就像委員剛剛所說的，有關優採部分的比例，另外還有各個團體之間是不是有灌水的問題嘛！所以我們昨天的會議主要是針對這個部分在檢討；另外，第二個，您剛剛說……"],["廖委員偉翔：可是你們昨天好像沒有任何結論，對不對？其實我想要表達的事情是，政府該做什麼就做什麼，尤其是對於這些需要被照顧的相關弱勢團體；但事實上，我們也去看了，他們可以提供的服務也很好，你們應該要儘速的動作，而不是把弱勢團體當作政治操作的手段，我其實看了是蠻生氣的，而且我憑良心講，當天還有相關的庇護工場私底下跟我說，總統府有打電話想要叫他們去開記者會，但他們覺得很不合理，怎麼會把弱勢團體拿來做這樣的政治操作，所以他們不想要參與……"],["主席：廖委員，請注意一下時間。"],["呂次長建德：報告委員，這絕對不是這樣。"],["廖委員偉翔：我跟你說就是這樣，質詢就到這裡。謝謝。"],["呂次長建德：絕對不是這樣的，也請委員跟我們大家一起來關心公益團體……"],["廖委員偉翔：我們一直都在關心啊！我也很高興那天你跟我去現場勘查的時候，有提供很多具體的建議，但是要請你們動作快一點。謝謝。"],["呂次長建德：好，感謝委員。"],["主席：作以下宣告：待會盧縣一委員詢答完畢後，我們休息10分鐘。","接下來，請黃秀芳委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"agendarec_url":null,"pdf_url":"https://ppg.ly.gov.tw/ppg/SittingCommitteesInfo/download/communique1/final/pdf/115/76/LCIDC01_1157601_00003.pdf","meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員會第2次聯席會議紀錄","content":"一、審查「性侵害犯罪防治法部分條文修正草案」等10案：(一)委員葉元之等19人擬具「性侵害\n犯罪防治法第五十二條條文修正草案」案、(二)委員黃健豪等23人擬具「性侵害犯罪防治法部分\n條文修正草案」案、(三)委員徐巧芯等16人擬具「性侵害犯罪防治法增訂第三十二條之一條文草\n案」案、( 四) 委員鄭正鈐等22 人擬具「性侵害犯罪防治法增訂第二十八條之一條文草案」案、\n(五)委員吳沛憶等17人擬具「性侵害犯罪防治法增訂第十條之一條文草案」案、(六)委員魯明哲\n等18 人擬具「性侵害犯罪防治法增訂第十一條之一條文草案」案、( 七) 委員魯明哲等18 人擬具\n「性侵害犯罪防治法第二十九條條文修正草案」案、(八)委員陳培瑜等16人擬具「性侵害犯罪防\n治法部分條文修正草案」案、(九)委員王育敏等20人擬具「性侵害犯罪防治法第二十九條及第四\n十三條之一條文修正草案」案、(十)委員張雅琳等16人擬具「性侵害犯罪防治法部分條文修正草\n案」案；二、審查「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」等17案：(一)委員陳亭妃等\n17人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」案、(二)委員徐欣瑩等27人擬具「兒\n童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十二條及第三十三條條文修正草案」案、(三)委員張智倫等18人擬\n具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」案、(四)委員廖先翔等17人擬具「兒童及少\n年性剝削防制條例第三十九條條文修正草案」案、(五)委員蔡其昌等17人擬具「兒童及少年性剝\n削防制條例增訂第五十三條之二條文草案」案、(六)委員黃秀芳等18人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削\n防制條例增訂第五十三條之二條文草案」案、(七)委員羅廷瑋等18人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防\n制條例第十二條、第五十三條之二及第五十五條條文修正草案」案、(八)委員林宜瑾等19人擬具\n「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例增訂第五十三條之二條文草案」案、 ( 九) 委員林俊憲等18 人擬具\n「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例增訂第五十三條之二條文草案」案、( 十) 委員邱議瑩等16 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