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0:48:49.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:48:57.080000+08:00","text":"老實說，到目前國外的相關研究還認為沒有一定的causality，這是第一個，也就是你用這種方式，他是不是一定就不會再犯？","quality":0.782},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:48:57.555556+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:49:18.590000+08:00","text":"這是第一個問題；另外第二個，我們剛剛有說，一般通常加害人跟被害人之間都是熟識，你現在要把他的資訊公布，人家一定按圖索驥，這裡面會不會反而對被害人造成二度傷害？","quality":0.819},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:49:18.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:49:20.662222+08:00","text":"而且說難聽一點還會被公審。","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:49:23.320000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:49:32.465000+08:00","text":"我們也知道一定要保護，可是這個保護會不會因為這樣的措施，反而造成他的傷害更大？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:49:32.924444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:49:37.840000+08:00","text":"這是我們認為在這個事情上面必須要謹慎考慮的一個原因。是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-08-26T10:49:39.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:49:50.440000+08:00","text":"我們也認為如果把加害人公布，而不去考慮到被害人的話，也許我們會覺得把他公布很好啊！","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-08-26T10:49:51.137143+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:49:53.422857+08:00","text":"讓社會去公審。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:49:53.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:49:54.520000+08:00","text":"對，沒錯、沒錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-08-26T10:49:54.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:50:07.313333+08:00","text":"可是另外一方面，我們要再看到的就是，也許他是被害人的親友或者是朋友，這樣子會不會對被害人造成二度傷害？","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:50:07.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:50:08.230000+08:00","text":"是、是，沒錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-08-26T10:50:09.251429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:50:24.794286+08:00","text":"有的人可能會去猜測，這樣對被害人會是一個傷害，所以我覺得任何一個法條要成立，其實都要非常地嚴謹……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:50:25.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:50:25.613333+08:00","text":"一定要小心。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-08-26T10:50:25.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:50:53.980000+08:00","text":"當然很多委員認為一定要公開，就是要資訊公開，可是有時候我們再回過頭來，剛剛次長講的，如果公開加害人，被害人可能也會被按圖索驥連帶地公開了，所以我覺得這個部分其實真的要非常地審慎。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:50:55.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:51:03.807273+08:00","text":"沒錯，這也是為什麼對這件事情，我們覺得要謹慎為之的最主要原因，就是怕造成被害人的二度傷害。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-08-26T10:51:05.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:51:25.407273+08:00","text":"另外，這次公投成案有關鞭刑的部分，其中有一項就是詐騙嘛，我認為詐騙這一部分，應該是要加強反詐騙的宣導。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-08-26T10:51:26.213333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:51:42.200000+08:00","text":"與其用鞭刑在加害人身上，我覺得不要有被害人反而是更重要的，應該把所有的資源用在加強反詐騙。","quality":0.69},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-08-26T10:51:42.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:51:54.413333+08:00","text":"就詐騙這一個部分，我覺得應該要把資源投入反詐騙的資訊，讓更多人知道要怎麼樣預防被騙。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-08-26T10:51:54.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:52:03.552727+08:00","text":"前幾天我看到有一位雲林縣政府的政風主任，他竟然也會被騙！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:52:03.861818+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:52:04.480000+08:00","text":"他也被騙136萬。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-08-26T10:52:05.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:52:19.680000+08:00","text":"對啊，所以我覺得反而是應該要讓更多的資訊……可能被騙的樣態非常多，應該讓這些資訊再公開，然後做更多的宣導，這才是更重要的。是。","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-08-26T10:52:20.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:52:48.835556+08:00","text":"接下來我想請教，剛剛次長有特別提到，如果在11月28日鞭刑公投成案之後，後續不論是衛福部也好、法務部也好，未來可能針對這部分要去執行，可能要去做一些相關的研究分析。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-08-26T10:52:50.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:53:10.280000+08:00","text":"次長有特別提到衛福部的部分，我想請教就法務部的部分，因為我們一直講我們就是學習新加坡的鞭刑，鞭刑可能會讓犯罪率減少，很多人會覺得是這樣子。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-08-26T10:53:12.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:53:37.480000+08:00","text":"新加坡雖然有鞭刑，某一部分可能減少，可是就整體的治安來講，其實沒有比臺灣好，所以我也希望就衛福部跟法務部的部分，未來如果成案之後，法務部的部分，你們要做的工作是什麼，是不是可以在這個質詢臺報告？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-08-26T10:53:37.913333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:53:43.049231+08:00","text":"另外，在公投之前，是不是也讓更多的民眾了解？","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T10:53:45.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:53:46.365714+08:00","text":"這邊是不是可以請……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-08-26T10:53:46.880000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:53:47.880000+08:00","text":"法務部是不是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任檢察官貞卉","start":"2026-08-26T10:53:54.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T10:53:56.920000+08:00","text":"委員好，法務部在這邊做一個簡單的回應。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳主任檢察官貞卉","start":"2026-08-26T10:53:58.803077+08:00",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審酌。謝謝委員。"],["黃委員秀芳：針對任何一個犯罪，當然，我們在立法院就加害人加重刑責部分，我覺得大家都可以討論，至於在公開方面，應該要好好地去審思，公布加害者會不會連帶讓被害者也被按圖索驥公布出來？那對被害者是二度的傷害。我覺得這一點真的要好好去考慮一下，不然，萬一修法又通過之後……其實我們不願意看到任何一個被害人又受到二度傷害，所以再請次長針對這一部分，可能在……未來的溝通非常地重要。謝謝。"],["呂次長建德：非常感謝委員的提示。謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝秀芳委員發言。","接下來請莊瑞雄召委發言。"]],"agenda":{"agendarec_url":null,"pdf_url":"https://ppg.ly.gov.tw/ppg/SittingCommitteesInfo/download/communique1/final/pdf/115/76/LCIDC01_1157601_00003.pdf","meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員會第2次聯席會議紀錄","content":"一、審查「性侵害犯罪防治法部分條文修正草案」等10案：(一)委員葉元之等19人擬具「性侵害\n犯罪防治法第五十二條條文修正草案」案、(二)委員黃健豪等23人擬具「性侵害犯罪防治法部分\n條文修正草案」案、(三)委員徐巧芯等16人擬具「性侵害犯罪防治法增訂第三十二條之一條文草\n案」案、( 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