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model，都一直在升級、一直在升級，我們只能從後面去追趕啦！","quality":0.687},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:02:55+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:03:00.400000+08:00","text":"所以我要說的是，你們拖到明年的最主要原因是什麼？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:03:04+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:03:11.800000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們目前就是密集在找這些專家學者，這裡面其實也牽涉到警政、檢察、被害人團體這些……","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:03:12+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:03:12.666667+08:00","text":"那當然！","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:03:13+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:03:20.916667+08:00","text":"他們要趕快把所謂的提示詞、關鍵字建起來，我們目前是在這個階段。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:03:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:03:28.833333+08:00","text":"臺灣有很多被害人團體，還有很多社福團體，這些人對我們臺灣做出很多貢獻。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:03:28.833333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T11:03:29.833333+08:00","text":"對，像勵馨……","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:03:29+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:03:46.600000+08:00","text":"但問題是意見很難整合，很多人關心就會發揮很大的力量，我也知道這個會搞死你們衛福部，但沒辦法，因為對於兒少要更加大支持，我期待你們的這個標準要趕快弄好，不然這個拖到明年……","quality":0.74},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:03:48+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:03:51.500000+08:00","text":"我們現在有一個機制就是調校的程序，調整校正……","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:03:52.125000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:03:59.777778+08:00","text":"我怎麼會不知道你們在調校，但問題就是你們這個部分多久才可以下架，以及到時候要怎麼供外界做檢驗？","quality":0.659},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:04:03+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:04:09.166667+08:00","text":"光是你們跟數發部要怎麼去做風險分級跟安全審查的制度就要搞很長時間了啦！對啦。","quality":0.528},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:04:09.333333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:04:16.818182+08:00","text":"這個113年就通過了，我希望你們可以做得更好。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:04:17+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:04:19.846154+08:00","text":"當然、當然，因為兒少的保護真的不能等。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:04:20+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:04:20.666667+08:00","text":"那當然啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:04:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:04:33.666667+08:00","text":"第二個，現在實在很難去想像，在二零幾年我忘記啦，那個時候的換臉事件，連蔡總統都被人家換臉，對不對？","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:04:33.666667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T11:04:34.666667+08:00","text":"對，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:04:34+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:04:46.833333+08:00","text":"我記得那時候我去質詢之後，要求說這個不能開玩笑，不是因為總統身分，而是連總統都可以都被這樣子，其他的女性更是不得了，當然很快就破案了。","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:04:47.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:04:58.769231+08:00","text":"問題是我們當初就預想得到，現在網路的app裡面一鍵脫衣也都出現了，這個部分你們也都只能事後去抓人而已啦！對啦。","quality":0.686},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:04:59.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:05:33.750000+08:00","text":"AI有夠方便的，方便到現在要犯罪的人只要有這個app，我先到社群裡面，你們任何人只要有社群且在社群上有放照片的，我都可以把照片抓下來，一抓下來，app一弄上去以後，一按下去衣服、褲子都脫光光了，一鍵脫衣馬上就生成，AI這麼進步，到最後其實不只脫衣而已，可能還兼做色情影片，這很麻煩啊！","quality":0.695},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:05:34.444444+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:05:55.750000+08:00","text":"以成年人來講當然會提告，還會有一些作為來主動保護自己，但對兒少來講的話，他什麼事情都沒有做，這些影像就在網路上流竄了，對他整個未來或他整個人際關係造成非常大非常大的影響。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:05:56.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:06:07.750000+08:00","text":"現在法律可以去處罰製作跟散布，但我覺得最主要的是，政府對於這些平臺部分的對策是什麼？","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:06:08+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:06:09.777778+08:00","text":"要怎麼去給它們加重？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:06:11+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:06:15.750000+08:00","text":"次長是否可以簡單說明一下，你們準備要怎麼管？","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:06:16+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:06:40.777778+08:00","text":"OK，非常感謝委員，具體來說，現在……我跟委員報告，其實在5月8號兒少性剝削防制諮詢會議上就有很多團體提出來，我們具體的做法就是現在正跟數發部有一個所謂技術提供者事前風險分級，我們目前正在做風險分級的工作。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:06:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:06:42.500000+08:00","text":"只有這樣而已嗎？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:06:43+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:06:43.909091+08:00","text":"你們現在只做到這裡而已？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:06:44+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:06:45.333333+08:00","text":"所以這就是你剛剛說的只有1%啊！","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:06:47.285714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:06:59.857143+08:00","text":"我們的工具真的是太少了，我都不願意去苛責衛福部的原因在這個地方啦，衛福部本來就比較著重在事後發生以後如何去保護，至於事前防範的部分，我跟你說，你們做不到啦！","quality":0.764},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:07:00+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:07:01.875000+08:00","text":"也確實是這樣，因為委員也知道……","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:07:02.428571+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:07:05.800000+08:00","text":"光是這個平臺你說你們要管得到，但你們的專業就不是在這裡啊！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:07:05.800000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T11:07:08.800000+08:00","text":"對，事實是如此。","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:07:08.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:07:31.714286+08:00","text":"連檢察官大部分也都是針對犯罪在做事後偵查，主動去防範的部分，其實我反而會覺得……數發部副署長，我覺得這個部分你們要負比較大的責任，譬如說要怎麼樣做風險分級，在那個app、在那個平臺裡面，尤其是安全審查制度，這應該是你們管的啊！","quality":0.696},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:07:32.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:07:39.800000+08:00","text":"當然，出現了之後要怎麼即時下架、要怎麼封網，那個好像又不是你們的部分。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:07:40+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:07:40.888889+08:00","text":"請問那個部分是你們還是NCC的權責？","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"黃副署長雅萍","start":"2026-08-26T11:07:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:08:16.666667+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我大概從幾個層面來講，誠如剛剛次長提到的，有關於風險分類、分級的部分，其實數發部跟衛福部已經一起在做這個部分的討論，未來衛福部也會將相關可能涉及到一鍵脫衣這樣的一個題目給我們，我們會就市面上大家常用的一些AI模型去檢測，這些檢測報告出來也會公布給大家知道，這是第一個。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"黃副署長雅萍","start":"2026-08-26T11:08:17.090909+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:09:04.846154+08:00","text":"第二個，剛剛委員垂詢到網路廣告平臺如果有這樣一個情況的時候應該怎麼處理，當然，在事後我們只要有發現，我們就可以讓TWNIC去做封網的動作，或者是停止解析這個網頁，但是我們也有透過……因為之前防詐本來就有一個聯防平臺，針對這些比較大型的平臺業者，我們也會要求他們要先自律，所以其實他們自己本身也會去做事前的網路掃描，如果發現有這樣的狀況，他們就會提早做下架的處理，這個部分跟委員先做個補充。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:09:05+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:09:13.800000+08:00","text":"我光是想到整個AI這樣高度發展以後，不要說是兒少，光是想到一鍵脫衣，那是多可怕的一件事！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:09:14+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:09:18.230769+08:00","text":"各位，每個人有社群而且只要有把照片放上去，每一個人都可能有這樣的風險啊！","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:09:18.538462+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:09:18.846154+08:00","text":"對，暴露在這個風險中。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:09:20.571429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:09:45.750000+08:00","text":"我覺得這是很可怕的事情，所以我才提問，剛才次長跟我說兒童案件19件，成人Deepfake有65件，約占1%，我才會說你們大家現在還在研討中，但你應該知道現在呈現的數字跟真正網路世界存在的數字會有多大的落差，那是很可怕的事情啦！","quality":0.66},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:09:46+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:09:57.833333+08:00","text":"我最後要請教的就是說，這一些被救下來以後，中央應該跟地方做個合作嘛，我看你們今天剛好也在跟地方政府在開會，是不是？","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:09:57.833333+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T11:09:58.833333+08:00","text":"對，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:09:58+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:09:59.800000+08:00","text":"你們的標準到底是怎麼樣？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:10:00+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:10:20.900000+08:00","text":"我現在比較擔心的是，譬如在臺北或新北這種都會區，你們的標準就會訂定的比較高，但是對於比較偏鄉的地方，以各縣市來看的話，如果有立即危險的就會趕快開案，如果沒有立即危險的就轉為一般服務，請問你們的標準到底會怎樣？","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:10:21+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:10:24.666667+08:00","text":"應該要讓各個縣市有一致的標準。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:10:25+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:10:26.555556+08:00","text":"請次長來做個回復沒錯！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:10:27+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:10:37.818182+08:00","text":"非常感謝委員，目前就您剛剛所說的這個部分，其實也不光今天，我們之前有召集地方政府社會局，趕快將所謂的判斷基準……","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:10:40.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:10:40.875000+08:00","text":"就是開案的標準啦！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:10:40.875000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T11:10:41.875000+08:00","text":"對，開案標準，而且要全國一致。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:10:41+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:10:45.444444+08:00","text":"你評估的方式跟時程啦！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:10:46+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:11:00.857143+08:00","text":"對，一方面是開案的標準，另外一方面就是處遇計畫，就是說如果現在有的話，趕快，這邊其實有分級分類的部分，我們目前在跟地方政府社會局做這個事情的整個標準化。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:11:01+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:11:50.200000+08:00","text":"所以還是回到我剛開頭問你的那一句話啦，科技一直在進步，而我們的保護只能在後面一直追，你們跟數發部、教育部，甚至是法務部、NCC，我覺得你們的速度真的還是要加快啦，不然我們113年通過修正案，大家說要把整個社會的安全網防堵起來，要即時封網、主動巡查，看起來，本來以為都是法律在後面追，現在有一點不一樣囉，我們政府應該主動出擊這個部分，各部會都要加油，好不好？OK。","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"莊委員瑞雄","start":"2026-08-26T11:11:50.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:11:50.800000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:11:51+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:11:52.666667+08:00","text":"感謝委員，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-08-26T11:11:53.166667+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08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