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些全部都是單一窗口。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:43:02.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:43:08.270000+08:00","text":"當然我們同樣在地方政府做過事，也了解這些同仁很辛苦。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:43:08.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:43:08.750000+08:00","text":"沒錯、沒錯。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:43:09+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:43:10.125000+08:00","text":"案件很多。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:43:10.125000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T11:43:11.125000+08:00","text":"案件量真的非常非常大。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:43:10.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:43:13.250000+08:00","text":"這是讓我們很難過的，人數絕對不夠！沒錯。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:43:13.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:43:23.322222+08:00","text":"所以在這樣的情況之下，我們還要進一步去討論，被害者平均要接觸幾個不同單位？","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:43:23.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:43:28.240000+08:00","text":"他還要重複說明案情。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:43:28.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:43:36.300000+08:00","text":"所以我個人認為，我們是不是應該在法律上面達成有專業人士的陪同？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:43:36.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:43:51.520000+08:00","text":"他一次講足這些內容，相關的單位就可以從這個部分去取得他的資料，不要讓被害人一講再講、一傷害再傷害，你的看法呢？","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:43:51.871429+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:43:52.728571+08:00","text":"報告委員，我完全同意！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:43:53.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:03.100000+08:00","text":"就像您說的，一旦遭遇到這種不幸，真的是對被害者莫大的傷害，我們的原則一定就是希望一次陳述就好。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:03.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:03.900000+08:00","text":"一次陳述！對。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:04.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:18.350000+08:00","text":"所以本席要跟你討論的是專業人士的陪同，尤其在兒童、身心障礙的人，必須要有專業人士的陪同，是否如此？","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:19.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:21.766667+08:00","text":"沒錯，在目前的法律裡面，我們也是這樣規定。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:21.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:23.200000+08:00","text":"法律上面寫著……對。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:23.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:23.800000+08:00","text":"必須要有專業……","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:24.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:29.463636+08:00","text":"法律上面寫著被害人保護，這是我們的目的、我們的精神跟我們的目標。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:29.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:30.028571+08:00","text":"而且必須要陪同。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:32.700000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:34.200000+08:00","text":"你說必須要陪同，但是專業人士夠嗎？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:34.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:36+08:00","text":"你有盤點嗎？夠嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:36.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:37.275000+08:00","text":"全國夠嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:37.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:38.066667+08:00","text":"盤點了嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:39.133333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:41.300000+08:00","text":"報告委員，目前全國總共有188位。夠嗎？","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:44+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:50.223077+08:00","text":"除了社政這邊之外，另外整個司法系統那邊也有他們的人力。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:50.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:53.528571+08:00","text":"所以你必須去盤點專業人士的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"呂次長建德","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:53.528571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:54.528571+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:53.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:44:57.831250+08:00","text":"這也是法律賦予必須要做的必要條件。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:44:58.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:45:03.650000+08:00","text":"接下來我要跟你討論剛剛我們所說的，現在不是只有刪一張照片的問題這麼簡單。沒錯！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:45:03.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:45:16.692308+08:00","text":"2024年的修法已經建立性影像處理中心數位鑑識資料庫，也讓主管機關單位用科技方式主動巡查。","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-08-26T11:45:16.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T11:45:31.040000+08:00","text":"我們看到2025年性影像中心接獲檢舉兒少性影像網址數有2,899件，成人性影像網址數是3,692件，下架率是9成。","quality":0.683},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔",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