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Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:08:42.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:08:45.728571+08:00","text":"請問教保員有沒有拒絕加班的權利？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-26T15:08:45.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:08:47.153333+08:00","text":"當然可以拒絕。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:08:47.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:08:50.590000+08:00","text":"拒絕加班的話，家長又要怎麼辦？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-26T15:08:52.525714+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:08:53.348571+08:00","text":"細節部分，請署長來說明。","quality":0.3},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-08-26T15:08:55.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:08:56.300000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-08-26T15:08:56.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:09:07.025000+08:00","text":"對於委員剛才幾個問題，剛好我最近有到都會地區以及復興鄉去了解這個情況，我把這整體狀況讓委員也知道一下。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-08-26T15:09:07.385000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:09:25.942222+08:00","text":"基本上都會地區可能很多是雙薪家庭，當雙親都去工作的時候，的確會有這方面的需求，這樣的園在工作的時候，他不是只有原來的幼教工作者，他可以是延托的符合資格者，所以是額外的人力，不是原來教學者而已。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-08-26T15:09:28.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:09:34.872000+08:00","text":"另外，我去抽一些比較偏鄉地區的，實務上我請教幾位校長，這個會不會造成他的壓力？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-08-26T15:09:35.266667+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:09:45.246154+08:00","text":"有一些地方基本上是沒有這個需求，沒有這個需求的，他也不會開辦，他也沒有符合相關的、一定的要求規範。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-08-26T15:09:45.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:09:54.546667+08:00","text":"我查一查，地方政府也不會訂，所以從中央、地方都不會有強制要求的情況下，委員擔心的一些問題，倒滿自然的是依需求。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"彭署長富源","start":"2026-08-26T15:09:55.273846+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:10:13.328000+08:00","text":"此外，會不會因為有一個家長特別要求，以至於原來不用辦的卻要辦等等，這個可能是相關的縣市政府跟地方的學校在協調的過程中，如果有類似的案子，我們會積極地了解實際的情況，來輔以相關法規的協助。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:10:13.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:10:37.320000+08:00","text":"我只是要表達，就是有這樣的壓力存在，很多的老師、校長現在感到很有壓力，因為要加班到7點，說實在要拜託老師也不容易，老師不配合，他也很為難，所以我覺得這個部分中央一定要去建構一個人力支援的系統。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-26T15:10:37.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:10:38.693333+08:00","text":"我們會再來精進。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:10:38.920000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:10:44.608889+08:00","text":"這個是中央在訂定這個辦法的時候就必須要想到的問題，就應該要做因應措施。好。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:10:45.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:10:58.210000+08:00","text":"最後，我想時間也到了，我只是要表達，我不太想說校事會議，因為講這四個字有點太沉重，而且已經變成一個形容詞了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:10:59.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:11:20.732308+08:00","text":"關於教師解聘不續聘停聘或資遣辦法，我想我們都已經知道，整個會期都在關注這件事，事實上上一次也已經做退回更正了，可是教育部還有一個承諾，就是9月你們會端出新的辦法。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:11:21.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:11:32.253333+08:00","text":"因為這是本會期的最後一次質詢，9月也要到了，我只是想要讓次長、署長了解，其實我們自己接到這樣的案件真不少。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:11:33.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:11:52.653333+08:00","text":"上個禮拜六，你看一下這個，他之前不斷地跟我對話，我一直不願意拿出來講，這是我跟他陸陸續續的對話，我一直在給他加油打氣，我們也不願意拿這種事情好像變成了要去開記者會或者是要去賺流量等等，我們也不願意。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:11:54.017778+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:12:27.408000+08:00","text":"我輔導他兩年多，禮拜六晚上他輕生了，我非常地難過，我從來沒有因為接到很多的陳情，就特別的只是喊口號，我們想的只是一件事情，就是要怎麼樣透過這個辦法可以沒有學生的憾事、沒有老師的憾事發生，我們希望它能夠變成一個保護老師也保護學生的法令。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:12:28.235556+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:12:59.964000+08:00","text":"這個老師很辛苦，兩年多來，他因為被停聘，他好不容易努力10年考上了教職，我也不願意去表示什麼，我只是希望他找個律師陪伴他，因為他即便勝訴了，又再次被開始調查，他覺得他不願意再第二次面對這樣的事情，這個壓力很大，他有房貸、有車貸、有經濟的壓力，最後他承受不住就走了。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:13:00.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:13:08.866667+08:00","text":"所以我在這邊只是想要請教，我們如何讓這部法變成一個能夠保護老師、保護學生的法令？","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:13:09.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:13:10.245714+08:00","text":"請次長說明一下。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-26T15:13:12.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:13:30.240000+08:00","text":"立法院再退回叫我們再重新思考之後，其實我們在1月的時候已經做一個初步大小案的分流，現在大家比較在意的是，大案的部分一定要涉及到解聘那個程度，我們判斷後才會進入校事會議去調查。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-26T15:13:30.627692+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:13:50.252000+08:00","text":"其實我們在第一次分流之後，案件量已經明顯變少了，現在就是小案進入考核的部分，當時的考核辦法裡面是有提到，若有些學校的行政能力不足，調查可以委外，時間可以再延後，這部分我們也在檢討。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-26T15:13:50.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:14:01.280000+08:00","text":"另外還有一個老師比較希望能夠具體了解的是，他們合理管教的範圍到底界定在什麼地方、誰來認定？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-26T15:14:01.480000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:14:19.840000+08:00","text":"這部分我們也在思考怎麼樣讓學校能夠有一些空間去認定之後，再來決定受理跟不受理，這樣可以避免有些主觀的認定上面，會讓家長不斷地跟老師處於這種對峙的狀態。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-26T15:14:20.773333+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:14:39.615000+08:00","text":"如果學校的認定我們可以尊重的話，譬如說，如果按照學校的認定那是一個合理的管教行為，基本上就不受理，不受理之後，如果家長還有意見的話，我們就另外再開一個管道、方式來處理，這樣子可能會達到……我們目前是在研議中。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:14:39.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:14:44.888000+08:00","text":"謝謝次長，我再強調，因為這是本會期最後一次質詢，9月在即，也該端出來了……","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-26T15:14:45.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:14:47.173333+08:00","text":"對，我們會朝這個方向……","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:14:47.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:15:00.120000+08:00","text":"我只是希望當你們端出來的時候，真的能夠讓大家看見我們過去所疑慮的這些都不要再發生、我們遺憾的這些事情都不要再發生，可以嗎？","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-26T15:15:00.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:15:10.414545+08:00","text":"我想1月那個有初步達到一個效果，如果這一次大家覺得不夠，我們再去思考怎麼樣再根據大家反映的，譬如說，合理管教怎麼界定……","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:15:10.560000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:15:13.550000+08:00","text":"所以次長您承諾，它可以成為一個保護老師的法律嗎？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-26T15:15:13.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:15:14.453333+08:00","text":"我們就希望如果這一次……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:15:14.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:15:15.590000+08:00","text":"你承諾嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員","start":"2026-08-26T15:15:15.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:15:16.525714+08:00","text":"可以成為保護老師的法律嗎？","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"張廖次長萬堅","start":"2026-08-26T15:15:16.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-08-26T15:15:20.024615+08:00","text":"我們希望這個過程裡面能夠達到保護老師的效果。","quality":1},{"speaker":"伍麗華Saidhai 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Tahovecahe委員：最後，我想時間也到了，我只是要表達，我不太想說校事會議，因為講這四個字有點太沉重，而且已經變成一個形容詞了。關於教師解聘不續聘停聘或資遣辦法，我想我們都已經知道，整個會期都在關注這件事，事實上上一次也已經做退回更正了，可是教育部還有一個承諾，就是9月你們會端出新的辦法。因為這是本會期的最後一次質詢，9月也要到了，我只是想要讓次長、署長了解，其實我們自己接到這樣的案件真不少。上個禮拜六，你看一下這個，他之前不斷地跟我對話，我一直不願意拿出來講，這是我跟他陸陸續續的對話，我一直在給他加油打氣，我們也不願意拿這種事情好像變成了要去開記者會或者是要去賺流量等等，我們也不願意。我輔導他兩年多，禮拜六晚上他輕生了，我非常地難過，我從來沒有因為接到很多的陳情，就特別的只是喊口號，我們想的只是一件事情，就是要怎麼樣透過這個辦法可以沒有學生的憾事、沒有老師的憾事發生，我們希望它能夠變成一個保護老師也保護學生的法令。這個老師很辛苦，兩年多來，他因為被停聘，他好不容易努力10年考上了教職，我也不願意去表示什麼，我只是希望他找個律師陪伴他，因為他即便勝訴了，又再次被開始調查，他覺得他不願意再第二次面對這樣的事情，這個壓力很大，他有房貸、有車貸、有經濟的壓力，最後他承受不住就走了。所以我在這邊只是想要請教，我們如何讓這部法變成一個能夠保護老師、保護學生的法令？請次長說明一下。"],["張廖次長萬堅：立法院再退回叫我們再重新思考之後，其實我們在1月的時候已經做一個初步大小案的分流，現在大家比較在意的是，大案的部分一定要涉及到解聘那個程度，我們判斷後才會進入校事會議去調查。其實我們在第一次分流之後，案件量已經明顯變少了，現在就是小案進入考核的部分，當時的考核辦法裡面是有提到，若有些學校的行政能力不足，調查可以委外，時間可以再延後，這部分我們也在檢討。另外還有一個老師比較希望能夠具體了解的是，他們合理管教的範圍到底界定在什麼地方、誰來認定？這部分我們也在思考怎麼樣讓學校能夠有一些空間去認定之後，再來決定受理跟不受理，這樣可以避免有些主觀的認定上面，會讓家長不斷地跟老師處於這種對峙的狀態。如果學校的認定我們可以尊重的話，譬如說，如果按照學校的認定那是一個合理的管教行為，基本上就不受理，不受理之後，如果家長還有意見的話，我們就另外再開一個管道、方式來處理，這樣子可能會達到……我們目前是在研議中。"],["伍麗華Saidhai 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人擬具「教保服務人員條例第三十三條條文修正草案」案、\n(五)委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「教保服務人員條例部分條文修正草案」案、(六)委員陳冠廷等16人\n擬具「教保服務人員條例增訂第二十三條之一條文草案」案、(七)委員廖偉翔等19人擬具「教保\n服務人員條例部分條文修正草案」案","agenda_id":"1157601_00002","doc_url":null,"page_end":172,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-22-28","speakers":["羅廷瑋","羅智強","陳培瑜","吳沛憶","葉元之","蔡春綢","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","陳秀寳","吳思瑤","傅崐萁","林宜瑾","徐欣瑩","林月琴"],"page_start":61,"meetingDate":["2026-08-26"],"gazette_id":"1157601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1157601_00003"],"pdf_page_offset":60}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}