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。"]],"agenda":{"agendarec_url":null,"pdf_url":null,"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第28次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、繼續審查(一)委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具「電子競技運動發展基本法草案」案、(二)委員葛如鈞\n等18人擬具「電子競技運動發展基本法草案」案、(三)委員廖偉翔等20人擬具「電子競技運動發\n展基本法草案」案、(四)委員徐巧芯等17人擬具「電子競技運動發展基本法草案」案、(五)台灣\n民眾黨黨團擬具「電子競技運動促進法草案」案；二、審查委員羅智強等17人擬具「電子競技運\n動發展基本法草案」案（逐條審查）；三、審查(一)委員林月琴等16人擬具「教保服務人員條例\n第三十三條條文修正草案」案、(二)委員李彥秀等16人擬具「教保服務人員條例第十五條、第十\n六條及第十七條條文修正草案」案、(三)委員王育敏等21人擬具「教保服務人員條例部分條文修\n正草案」案、( 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