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四) 委員林月琴等28 人擬具「教保服務人員條例第三十三條條文修正草案」案、\n(五)委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「教保服務人員條例部分條文修正草案」案、(六)委員陳冠廷等16人\n擬具「教保服務人員條例增訂第二十三條之一條文草案」案、(七)委員廖偉翔等19人擬具「教保\n服務人員條例部分條文修正草案」案","agenda_id":"1157601_00002","doc_url":null,"page_end":172,"meet_id":"委員會-11-5-22-28","speakers":["羅廷瑋","羅智強","陳培瑜","吳沛憶","葉元之","蔡春綢","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","陳秀寳","吳思瑤","傅崐萁","林宜瑾","徐欣瑩","林月琴"],"page_start":61,"meetingDate":["2026-08-26"],"gazette_id":"1157601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1157601_00003"],"pdf_page_offset":60}}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}