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多元行销为推广三高山农场自由系活动本会结合各项特色活动并透过多元管道强化行销提升整体旅游吸引力就国内外行销 官方推广以及农场特色文宣等说明如下"},{"start":1967.203,"end":1994.614,"text":"國務一國內行銷各農場參與北中南地區旅展及ITF台北國際旅展全面行銷油氣資源及農特產品其中ITF台北國際旅展國人探索增量增加營業額較去年成長4倍令農場意拜會旅行業者學校及機關團體洽談合作拓展團體與多元族群客源提升旅遊量能國務二"},{"start":1995.729,"end":2013.818,"text":"國外行銷 依觀光組推動深化日韓及拓展東南亞市場計畫本會配合參與觀光組組團赴新加坡、馬來西亞、泰國及韓國參加國際旅展共同行銷我國高山農場特色提升國際旅遊市場能見度"},{"start":2015.964,"end":2036.637,"text":"觀光推廣本會三高山農場及台東農場中年別館今年參加觀光署第二屆觀光亮點獎皆入選台灣觀光100亮點並分別榮獲最佳人氣獎、十大觀光亮點及最佳國旅創新獎等顯示國人對本會各農場具高度認同與支持"},{"start":2037.498,"end":2050.517,"text":"二 近兩年受疫情後旅遊型態轉變及地震 極端氣候影響國內山林旅遊人次明顯下滑山高山農場為提振旅遊推出多項優質主題活動如下"},{"start":2051.994,"end":2076.567,"text":"光屋一 武嶺農場 既有高山音樂會 櫻花器 以日花農採菊樂等光屋二 清淨農場 既有 奔陽節 雲林奔陽會 牧羊人體驗 高山電影院等光屋三 福壽山農場 既有 千英圓櫻花器 星空導覽夏樂 高山福壽有義式 福壽山莊啟用 並結合梨山 耶穌堂 公益 耶誕晚會等"},{"start":2077.347,"end":2094.485,"text":"三 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甚至到四期東南亞還有五期的我們就只有兩期當然也可以概分為純茶跟冬茶但是我們原則上還是以一期茶跟二期茶為主但是我們今年為了"},{"start":3181.616,"end":3200.441,"text":"掌握跟觀察茶樹的生長我們會配合季節以及茶樹生長實際狀況採用適當的季節採用茶青來製作紅茶跟茶餅這樣能夠提高我們在茶樹的運用另外結合一般的消費產品我們也會製作"},{"start":3201.738,"end":3226.009,"text":"利用五一茶的茶末來製作一般口味的爆米花在茶類的產品最後要跟大家報告就是如同剛剛我們退伍會所報告的今年 明年我們預判推出一斤的跟故宮聯名的茶商來提高我們福壽山農場福壽長春茶的國際能見度以上是茶品的報告接著在果實的部分我們的果實主要有"},{"start":3227.029,"end":3252.568,"text":"蘋果 桃子 梨子 還有這個 猕猴桃那在這邊 我不多做一一介紹因為書面報告裡面很多那我們大概推出的產品有酒類系列 低濃度的水果酒系列果醋系列 還有果凍系列那另外當然 我們也結合我們的旅宿我們有利用我們的茶路來推出手工香皂 洗髮露跟液態皂等"},{"start":3253.688,"end":3278.849,"text":"這個個人清潔用品那最後按照召委所指示我們的定價策略我們一般的因為我們是真正的高山烏龍茶而且你這樣講旁邊四個都假的就對了不是 我們是真正的高山烏龍茶他們四個比我們低一點這樣子所以價格也比我們低一點我們的烏龍茶還有做產銷履歷也有做這個防偽標籤"},{"start":3280.543,"end":3293.958,"text":"我們價格最高一斤正常的烏龍茶我們賣八千那精緻烏龍茶賣一萬二我們的少量紅茶一萬四但是我們不會要大家一次買一斤我們有一兩樁 二兩樁"},{"start":3296.178,"end":3317.634,"text":"我們是小部分裝那促銷策略如果各位到福州山農場親自來買我們的這個茶葉的話我們會提供相關的促銷活動但是在這邊因為沒有公告我就不方便多大說明只能跟大家報告來一定會有折價那也會有一次購買比較量多的話我們會有這個產品的促銷那最後報告我們福州山農場"},{"start":3318.655,"end":3335.451,"text":"有全新的國民賓館 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接下來下一位我們請武林農場陳順如"},{"start":3391.843,"end":3412.895,"text":"早委各位好我是武林農場廠長陳順如接著就我們農場的產品區分兩個部分一個是農產品的部分待會針對住宿的部分區分兩個部分來實施報告在農產品的部分武林農場是位在雪巴國家公園裡面所以我們相關的農產品除了依照農業部的規定之外必須要有相關的產銷履歷以及送SGS檢驗之外我們所有的產品"},{"start":3414.716,"end":3429.308,"text":"都是無檢出那因為我在學霸會裡面所以我相關的養殖或是種植還要受到國家供應法的規定所以我們的產品都是沒有問題的這邊要先跟召委及各位委員做報告那我們產品的話主要也是以茶類為主我們茶區分兩種種植兩種茶一個是"},{"start":3431.69,"end":3447.885,"text":"金萱茶金萱就是所謂的柴塔12號以及我的烏龍茶也就是清新烏龍茶那在這兩個茶的部分來講我們也另外開發了所謂的清新烏龍跟烏龍紅茶這兩個部分那我們的農場高度就像剛才學長講我們是兄弟廠它2200"},{"start":3449.566,"end":3474.976,"text":"一千七到兩千一兄弟茶不要隨便用這個名詞是專有名詞謝謝召委提醒因為在農場的話我們今年的高山行渠產出產量非常的好因為今年的苗種跟土地有做調整的話今年的行渠品質非常好同樣也是我們送檢365項檢驗都是無檢出的部分這個部分可以跟委員參考"},{"start":3475.566,"end":3504.351,"text":"那在售價的部分來講在這個所有茶葉的部分各位台上看到的沒有一樣超過1500塊所以我們是比較平價無實的那在茶糖的部分這麼大一包只有200塊而已所以我們是走平民路線在農產品的部分主要在報告這邊那在住宿的部分有一點也必須跟昭偉跟委員報告所有的一般其他系列的這些住宿旅宿業它建紅或者是逢假日它都是價格會提高的可是我們退幅會的所有"},{"start":3505.259,"end":3534.381,"text":"全年都是單一價格不會因為說碰到所謂的即便我們農場最夯的櫻花季我們的價格還是一樣該有的折扣也沒有少這個部分是我們跟其他那個飯店系列不同最大部分是我們為了推展國民旅遊在會裡面的指導之下所以我們所有的農場在住宿部分不會因為假日或者是特別假日價錢有提高同樣該有的折扣也都不會少這邊跟大家做報告那在我們農場的部分以兩人房的部分依據"},{"start":3535.262,"end":3561.856,"text":"房型的不同依據房型大概是三千塊到五千塊而且是一泊二十是一泊二十這部分跟各位委員做報告那歡迎各位委員有空因為我們海拔比較高天氣比較冷所以歡迎各位委員能夠上山凍齡一下因為天氣很冷大家我們上山一起凍齡一下謝謝各位委員好謝謝武林農場城長長不過你們剛才你剛才講的軍醫價其實你跟隔壁那一個你們折扣就不一樣了"},{"start":3562.956,"end":3576.587,"text":"對啊他的價他的價折扣八折什麼折你們的台價是固定的但是折扣會因為見紅不一樣他平常沒有打折你平常有打八折嗎OKOK好那我們下一位是彰化農場胡廠長"},{"start":3578.964,"end":3603.625,"text":"趙薇好 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這些人的薪資大概三億七百多萬那也補助農業的發展社區性的健康造物兩千六百多萬"},{"start":5435.399,"end":5458.939,"text":"那這邊還有一個是龍湖處要徵聘那個服務組長300多萬大概是這些的經費都會受到影響那第一我逐步來看剛剛第一個你提到的這個9000多萬的這一個是因為要興建然後呢要讓這一個比如說是宿舍的人移過去然後讓那一個土地可以讓這一個北龍所利用是否可以再詳細說明一下"},{"start":5460.781,"end":5483.716,"text":"這個因為在行政院今年的8月11號有核定台北榮總心醫院區的興建計畫那就是主計畫但是計畫基地就包含了松德的宿舍跟松德的停車場那這些都是現在我們同仁在這邊的一些使用的地方"},{"start":5484.625,"end":5499.188,"text":"那這些我們必須要在其他地方做整修北樓技術大樓跟松伯新村把整修完之後呢這個地方才有辦法移開來所以說這個是預算就放在這個地方"},{"start":5499.989,"end":5519.155,"text":"我覺得這個是至關重要因為我們之前也常提到比如說醫療量能的問題然後以及說真的現在我們跟其他國家的合作也變得越來越多在軍事方面所以我們相關的這些醫療的量能是不是逐步也能夠提升尤其是跟國家有關的這個是重要的如果這個"},{"start":5519.955,"end":5537.974,"text":"地是沒有辦法出來的話因為你如果宿舍沒有辦法興建完成你就沒有辦法移動沒有辦法移動的話這個會連帶影響我覺得這個要讓國人知道因為我覺得這個對我們來講這也是屬於國家安全的一環我覺得這個非常的重要剛剛提到另外這個3億這一個的項目呢是跟照護員有關嗎榮民安養吉養護嘛 對不對"},{"start":5542.146,"end":5565.936,"text":"對 它是在這個我們在各農家我們各農家依據老人福利機構的設立標準都有固定的人力配比那這些配比所需要的照護人力還有都是按照各農家的戰船率來配置人力所以說一定有一個實際上的需求那麼因為"},{"start":5568.399,"end":5588.284,"text":"那個預算呢這個預算如果沒有審查通過呢那就會影響到我們委外的照護員還有護工和儲工的薪資保障和權益的 還有勞動的權益當然也會影響到我們實際照護的配比人力啦品質都會受到一些挑戰"},{"start":5589.785,"end":5610.363,"text":"這個聽起來也是嚴重的影響因為我之前在這一個看這一個相關照護員的一些影片的時候我就發現因為其實畢竟需要被照護的這個量其實是多的我有看到有AI系統的一些眼鏡就是說可能裝設一些它如果肯裝設的話比如說它跌倒可能會有通知等等之類的我有看到這一套系統"},{"start":5611.584,"end":5639.957,"text":"這個的確有辦法稍微緩解一下人力但我認為基本上還是不夠用這個你1對10 1對7對我來講這個其實都是太高了所以如果說這個照護的人力如果出現斷層的話這個對我們對榮民的照護這是極大的影響極大的影響所以當然我們是希望預算趕快審因為如果這一個部分我覺得這個影響是立即的是1月1號就可能會有影響所以這個也必須要讓國人知道"},{"start":5640.797,"end":5656.348,"text":"好那接下來我想問的就是這個就好不容易問到了就是就業媒合就是那個居民這個專長轉弦因為之前在夜報的時候就已經有提到AI模擬面試那一天我們去的時候也現場看了這個AI模擬面試看起來是非常的不錯跟這個桃園有這個他們的系統有整合然後看起來這個問題的題庫還有他的判讀等等之類這看起來是非常好"},{"start":5665.974,"end":5689.047,"text":"那裡面有提到幾件事情今天的這個前陣子的報告也有講就是說因為我們居民專長轉型的那個對照非常的多然後是逐步要完成然後呢之前完成了100多項然後看起來說12月我記得是20號吧就是剛過沒多久是12月20另外有300項預計要完成是不是可以稍微報告一下這個相關的進度請我們持樹王來報告沒問題 謝謝"},{"start":5691.926,"end":5695.83,"text":"委員好 首先非常感謝委員長期關心我們居民專長轉嫌這個案子其實我們總共均值的專長753項我們到12月20號已經完成401項到明年5月底我還有300多項一定可以如期如質完成 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