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謝謝主席喔我想今天"},{"start":2143.632,"end":2168.622,"text":"麻煩請教育部長準備發言所以如果看再修正動力那就是對於設置青年發展基金這部分還是蠻堅持的嘛那我想我就針對主題來講就是說如果設置基金的話我覺得如果沒有具備這個國庫撥補以外的新增市主的財源就是沒有符合財政紀律法"},{"start":2169.162,"end":2181.18,"text":"而且再加上如果未來的基金裁員要由各主管機關來編列預算預註那政府可能也無法因時因地質疑去進行檢討或調控也就是說"},{"start":2183.905,"end":2202.597,"text":"各部會的清廉政策它這個所謂的施政的彈性會因此受到影響比如說勞動部可能憋得多可是到這個基金的這個大水庫裡面結果基金的運用反而是衛福部從這個大水庫拿得多這樣它就會失去所謂的彈性施政的彈性跟平衡"},{"start":2203.477,"end":2223.605,"text":"至於這個基金能不能就是基本法能不能設基金我覺得在財政紀律法通過以後基本上是真的不行尤其是我們立法委員自己又要在法條加碼設立的部分又要在法條加碼我覺得"},{"start":2224.665,"end":2249.505,"text":"如果國民黨的委員有寫要基金來源可是他但是喔他第一點各級主管機關循預算程序之撥款那第二是基金的支息第三是人民事業或團體之捐助第四是其他收入就你的來源是這些可是這些項目你來看喔基本上難以想像除了主管單位的撥款你還有其他什麼樣的"},{"start":2250.546,"end":2273.677,"text":"大的來源 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表達完我們就要進行採取了謝謝主席首先感謝我們民眾黨跟國民黨的支持在第二條這個青年的一個年齡從18歲開始本來當時行政院的一個考量就是說我們18歲到35歲那如果"},{"start":2399.847,"end":2426.842,"text":"18歲以下的或者其他35歲以上的這些其他法的這個年齡的青年我們在這個第二條就有特別提到其他法令就青年年齡之範圍另有規定者從其規定所以大概在這個部分就已經也能夠涵蓋所以我也特別在這邊感謝我們民眾黨跟這個國民黨的一個支持那至於"},{"start":2428.102,"end":2452.998,"text":"剛才陳友剛才民眾黨我們張委員也特別提到政府應該寬列青年的發展經費我想行政院的基本立場就對青年的照顧跟我我想從行政院的觀點來看不管是我們這個執政黨或者在野黨事實上大家對青年權益的一個照顧跟關照都是"},{"start":2454.119,"end":2471.336,"text":"是都會非常支持從生活學習到我們創業成家育兒住屋醫療甚至參政權也反映在這一次20條裡邊我想大家都有共識那也利用這個機會跟主席還有我們各位"},{"start":2471.937,"end":2492.869,"text":"各位委員報告以目前行政院以教育部今年我們114年裡邊事實上到目前我們在青年的相關的照顧從我剛才特別提的說譬如說大學生的住宿或者補學雜費或者這些學海系列或者0到6歲國家一起養裡邊的2到6歲是屬於教育與照顧"},{"start":2498.664,"end":2501.798,"text":"這裡邊跟各位委員報告在今年光教育部"},{"start":2502.796,"end":2531.024,"text":"已經實質有八百四十二億也就是說剛才委員所提的說一百億然後分五年其實我們從寬烈經費是不是還需要有一個基金就財政紀律來看從一百零八年以後通過的法令除了這個文化基本法剛好是同一年那另外就是海洋基本法他是用德烈"},{"start":2531.584,"end":2547.954,"text":"那這一個裡邊寬烈經會是大家一定都是政府不管哪一個政黨執政我相信對青年造福都是不遺餘力那是不是在這一個部分能夠從寬烈經會用驗版的一個方式來那如果說"},{"start":2549.315,"end":2573.481,"text":"考慮到這個財政紀律法我會具體建議還是依這個海洋基本法是用德設基金是不是在這一個也請各位委員能夠給予支持 以上謝謝謝謝您的發言那個綜合各位黨團以及召集委員林益勤委員以及教育部吳政部長大家所表述的顯然我們第二條已經達成共識了所以第二條我們就照協商通過"},{"start":2575.061,"end":2594.539,"text":"年齡到18歲那25條呢顯然我們沒有辦法達成共識20條呢林益勤委員已經協調已經達成共識了所以因為我知道好幾位委員都想發言可是我們等一下還開院會所以對不起我們今天就主要黨團還有召集委員跟部長發言為主體請各位委員能夠諒解一下我要進到院裡面來開會"},{"start":2595.96,"end":2620.1,"text":"我們第二條就照協商條文通過第二條委員會有保留兩個附帶決議附帶決議一吳沛毅委員等人提案請提案代表吳沛毅委員不在我們唸一下我們附帶決議一15 為滿18歲族群歸屬本法所定義之青年然此年齡層亦屬"},{"start":2628.124,"end":2646.692,"text":"我們就附帶決議就在院會進行處理那25條條文咧我們就送院會來進行處理請問一下院長因為第二條這麼多版本請問我們等一下是用哪個版本送院會處理院版就用院版囉對對對 以院版為主啊 對兩個附帶決議我們到院會來進行處理"},{"start":2648.988,"end":2667.48,"text":"我們25條我們就送院會好 我們送院會好 謝謝那稍微等一下 等一下我們現在還是我們等一下那個等一下會有發言人數嗎我們現在還要討論一下發言人數"},{"start":2676.474,"end":2690.241,"text":"政務長您可以 各位列席的閣員請退席了 謝謝啊我們現在我們黨團幹部來繼續做一點善後工作非常非常謝謝大家好 各位黨團幹部麻煩請聽一下我們今天黨團協商協商主題有"},{"start":2698.418,"end":2718.639,"text":"結論 一 協商通過條文第二條第二十條如後付二 保留條文送院會處理二十五條三 不予採納條文第四條之一四 原審查會保留決議六案通過附帶決議兩項如後付其餘保留部分送院會進行處理其餘均照審查會審查結果通過"},{"start":2719.861,"end":2730.599,"text":"六 本案條文及與援引者條次授權某議事處進行調整七 檢附立法說明一份如後附八"},{"start":2731.874,"end":2757.511,"text":"本案院會進行處理時廣泛討論由各黨團推派一位發言每人發言時間三分鐘逐條討論時及三讀完整立法存疑後均不再發言逐條討論時非保留條文宣讀後均與通過保留條文均暫保留保留條文進行處理時依序依各黨團版本進行處理院長我補充一件提醒一下再一句話就好"},{"start":2758.931,"end":2786.967,"text":"本案各項提均列入公報記錄好 張議員請好 院長 抱歉有提醒一下就是說我們紀念基本法第24條的附帶決議原本是寫24條可是這個條式可能要一起調整這樣子怕那個最後提會自動調整 放心那各位黨團幹部所聽到我剛才所唸的9項我們朝野協商的結論有沒有意見請可不可以發給我們紙本看一下再決定好嗎 謝謝"},{"start":2825.882,"end":2831.516,"text":"麻煩各黨團幹部看一下看的話麻煩同意的話請簽字好嗎我們簽字完我們就進到院會繼續開會"},{"start":2895.965,"end":2899.206,"text":"那我們等一下選罷法每個黨團派一位發言"},{"start":2904.352,"end":2927.081,"text":"那黨團共識再增加一條公職人員選舉罷免法院會進行處理時廣泛討論各推派一位逐條討論及完成三如後君不再發言 那你就調整一下我們各條例依照黨團版本先後進行處理好 國民黨團要求三位發言國民黨團跟台灣民眾黨團"},{"start":2934,"end":2945.706,"text":"那個張祺凱委員 我們黨團共識就是公職人員選罷法的時候 廣泛討論331主條不再發言 可以嗎好 謝謝 嘉賓兄照你的意見"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}